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[Windmill Hill]

I think it would still be pictures of Sue & Eric's child - the only difference being that the child is neither a product of a rape nor aborted. The child is possibly alive or possibly murdered by the CM... But I think the ? on the pedigree chart that comes straight down from Sue implies that the child was born. (But this probably gets us into an argument about when life technically begins =)

[nachouru]

I repeat for the nth time... pedigree chart is no pedigree...
we arent looking right...

[Emren]

Reply to Mary's Video SPEC

[Jack LaCroix]

emren, I'm so glad you posted first, because I'm just as green to all this as you are.^_^

also, I second the opinion that the hippie overlay is nothing more than the CM laughing at mary, if you will. while I was watching the video, I couldn't help but think: haha, you silly, silly little girl! I imagine the CM was thinking much the same thing, that she was nothing more than a metaphorical child caught up in a grown up game.

as for the pedigree chart, who's to say it's a puzzle at all? maybe it's merely a clue to the rest of the whole grand scheme...
I mean, after all, there's already been speculation about a child being born out of wedlock. maybe the CM was merely doing something to verify that theory? who's to say?

[ThisProteanSoul]

My wordy thoughts:

A popular theory seems to be that CM is the far right question mark, Sue is the middle, and Russ (her child) is the one directly below her. This would definitely be the easiest, as the roles of this would fall neatly into place.

But then, who is the square off to the side? Because of that square, I just can't accept CM as the right question mark. There is something significant about it standing alone.

Which is why I am agreeing with the other popular theory. CM is the lone square -- which leads one to wonder why his family is excluded. Just not important and would therefore clutter up the puzzle? Or does he consider himself separate of his family now; perhaps he even considers himself god on earth (like jesus) with no true family in the first place.

I don't think he has any true connection to any of the people in this story besides himself. He quite obviously has himself a career in doing this, as his resume shows. He's been doing this for years. I don't believe that he has a personal relationship with all of these people, it seems far-fetched. Is he just taking out members of a family (as it's also considered by some that many of the people look related), it's always possible, though not my favourite. Has he simply not gotten to the still living women in the chart?

With this theory in general, however, the far right question mark gets confusing. If the square between those two questions is Sue's husband, then the far right would be a sibling to him. But if it is, its a character not yet introduced into the story, when even a husband hasn't been truly introduced. In that case, would we be meant to solve the puzzle yet? Will there be videos to come where we will find more clues about a husband and his sibling?

To be assuming on two characters seems strange to me though, unless this puzzle is supposed to come clear only in time.

-On the video itself.

I've felt from first watching it that it's just him laughing at her naivety. If there's meaning in the images, it doesn't seem very obviously connected to the rest of the story, so I think it's how he views what Mary is saying. Another part of mocking her.

Besides, his early vids often had little in clues, and this may simply be in that category.


Sorry for the length! I tried to be as clear as possible, though I know I'm not really stating much new.

[rABiD_kittEn]

Jumping off of your bringing up the idea of CM being the outside square again...

It has been rattling around in my brain for a while that CM might be a priest. Or may have been. (I searched this in the forum & didn't see any theories to this at length, so forgive me if this was already discussed & I didn't find it...I'll flog myself later...trust me). This would work with him being the outside square also. And, the desire for confessions?

Perhaps he hands out his own idea of penance for those that have been in his confessional booth...& they make up his resume. Members of his parish? All of the Catholic video clips, & the rituals he performs...

If we were to consider CM is not the man behind the camera in the "Affair" video...I was reading back on a list that El Neil had written about things that Julius Caesar had done...one of them was to adopt. It spawned that idea in me, & might explain why the child is only below the ? that is likely Sue. It may not be Eric's child, or the child of the person behind the camera. ((Maybe even Michael's confession of affair from the SINS video?))

((TDC could still be the square to her right...?)) (And yet, the fact that Tom D Cesear is still an anagram for Codemaster & Sam Deercot still seems to throw in that factor of it being the same person...different personalities...though that still might work anyway.)

Thoughts about him being the outside square as a priest, etc.? Proof to the contrary helps of course, too!

EDIT: TDC could still be the square or the ? to her right...?

[ThisProteanSoul]

I won't trout, because I certainly don't remember anyone suggesting it. I could see priest, definitely. It's not far off from being another jesus or something anyway. Just a different route to the same means, in my eyes. If that makes sense?

That'd be a pretty interesting way for him to collect people as well. I like it.

Personally.. I don't think it's multiple personalities. Which is funny, because I've read so much about the disorder, that you'd think I'd jump on it. But I don't know, it's just another of those ideas that doesn't sit right with me. For me, Codemaster is just Sam Deercot's title (so they're one and the same), and I think TDC is either meant to honour him, or to mock him; depending on what their relationship is/was. But they're separate people.

[rABiD_kittEn]

I agree with you on the split personality thing not 'sitting right'. Plus, honestly it seems so over-used that I always seem to give CM more credit than that when it comes up in my mind. It's still a possibility of course (TDC sure seems to know a lot about what CM is doing, & just recently 'heard' from him?!), but I hope it is something more intriguing! I can also see the 'TDC' monicker as homage or mocking.

[licoricesniper]

man, if it is a split-personality thing (which I too don't think it is) that will be kinda lame.

[Wabonan]

but sniper you will get 2 men for the price of one

[licoricesniper]

HAH Well, that's true...

[Loki210]

Hmmmm, does anyone think maybe the part the mask is covering is the CM? Maybe HE's the child that Michael doesnt want anyone knowing about. It would kinda destroy any theorized motives for the kidnapping or the resume... but its still a possibility.

Also, the mask being over it could be symbolic... hes using the mask not only to cover his identity on video, but to hide where he is on paper as well.

Just a thought.

[rABiD_kittEn]

The possibility of CM being Michael's child has been thrown out there, & is certainly a possibility. As far as the mask covering part of the chart, some of the previous threads & photos are also pointing out that it may not be covering anything, but the lines behind the eyeholes in the mask look an awful lot like the string that runs in the back to hold the mask onto CM's head. (All possibilities to bear in mind!)

[skydog]

The fact that there's a question mark in the pedigree is strange enough (i personally like the abortion theory -- could tie into CM's religious vendetta-ing). However, what throws me is the fact that there's another question mark sprouting out of the bottom of it? In everyone's analyses of the image nobody says anything about that. An unknown person is spontaneously generating anouther unknown person?

Regardless of the fact that it makes no sense, why would he even include the second question mark? It's such a superfluous thing to add on. I mean, he's basically saying "They had a kid, and that kid might have a kid." Well, that's nice.

It has to mean something.

If we've been over this already I apologize and i'll make you all brownies

[ThisProteanSoul]

Get started on those brownies then!

A lot of people think that the first question mark is Sue, and the one below her is Russ. It's pretty much outright said in the latest video that the woman (who most of us assume is Sue) has a kid called Russ.

And, I am personally of the opinion that there's nothing behind the mask. I think it's just a string.. besides, if you look at it, he would've had to suddenly make much smaller squares/circles and lines for a line to be where it is behind the mask. At least to make sure that the first eye-hole doesn't show anything. It'd be a big cheat.