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[META] - Bad case of VG (burns when i pee)
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Obtusitivity
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 		[META] - Bad case of VG (burns when i pee)
Word on the grapevine is that this Venger Satanis fellow that popped up this week is a.) not actually playing, and really believes this business, and b.) is better off being ignored. here's the profile i've got:

The man himself:
http://www.myspace.com/vengersatanis

His (PUBLISHED?? WTF) Writings on his creepy religion that he seriously believes:

http://www.amazon.com/Cthulhu-Cult-Venger-Satanis/dp/1430306319

my understanding is that he's made a ruckus with anyone doing anything related to HPL on the internet, and is not above being "unpleasant". and could potential pose a problem for us , so we should just ignore the dude.

-Obs

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 		Re: [META] - Bad case of VG (burns when i pee)
Obtusitivity wrote:
His (PUBLISHED?? WTF)


Lulu.com is the publisher. Self published. He paid for it to be printed. Reading the customer reviews is fun.
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 		heh, I like the cultist scholarship program for "the start of a new scholarship program for would-be Cultists of little means". It's an essay contest! Razz
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1. the relationship between Satanism and the Cthulhu Mythos.

2. a personal account of your relationship with the Mythos and Cult of Cthulhu... past, present, and future.

3. critical analysis and exploration of H.P. Lovecraft's writing.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:44 pm
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 		Hmm trying to figure out how to get to the chat.
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 		Can't one of out mods please ban the nutter and delete his post?

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 		Well, speaking for myself, I have a problem with how some of us responded to his initial posts on SentryOutpost. For example:
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if you know anything, or can contribute, then maybe you're ok. but i wouldn't expect the welcome wagon, pal.


What was the purpose of that? We all want the player base of EE to grow, right? I know that if I were a lurker or newcomer and if I saw that kind of 'welcome,' then I would very quickly run the other way.

Did no one PM him privately to explain what EE is all about? His most recent post shows that he is understandably confused. I've seen his website and agree that, yes, it is, um, interesting, but until he (or anyone else) does something improper or obnoxious, then my personal policy would be to give them the benefit of the doubt.

At this point, I don't see any reason to ban or delete him.


EDIT:

Okay I have no idea what is going on or why Brian Clark would choose to email Obtusivity with this information or why Lestat would be the one to post this on SentryOutpost, but apparently other people are more aware of this guy's history than I was. I am deleting Lestat's post from S.O. but am going to post it here:

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official word from Brian Clark to Obtusitivity:

Obtusitivity wrote:
speaking of OOG soapbox, Brian Clark just sent me this:

Ob, do me a favor and pass on the word to others that they should be careful with Venger: he is not IG and he is not roleplaying. There is a bit of history, apparantly, between the Lovecraft community and this guy and he isn't beyond being antisocial. In particularly, we've been aware of him since before we were launching this, as he will likely look at any ARG and see an apparatus for magical intent ... that's why he's both a cult leader and a game developer. I wish I were making that abstract up, but I'm not.

Here's my advise (if you don't mind sharing t his OOG with others):

1. Ask one of the LARPers about him, I'm sure Greg @ PST Productions could provide a bit of a background at UF about his history.

2. My suggestion is to avoid putting any fuel on his fire -- that seems to be in great part what he is after.

3. Don't provide him any direct means of contact -- might I suggest you edit your message at SO to remove your email address?

Thanks for passing this on to the community: we've been watching the thread and hoping Venger might just grow bored of us. He might not, though, for the same reasons he won't leave the other Lovecraft communities alone.

So it looks like this dude is a nut job, we should ignore him, and move on. edited my post. please try to get the word out to everyone on the down-low.

-Obs


Just be careful


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 		Best to just delete the post and move on.
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danteIL wrote:
Okay I have no idea what is going on or why Brian Clark would choose to email Obtusivity with this information or why Lestat would be the one to post this on SentryOutpost, but apparently other people are more aware of this guy's history than I was.

I have to admit I found this confusing as well. I thought the handling of instances like this is why some of us were made mods on SO. Why, especially, involve a relatively new player as this could create even more confusion due to the fact that information wasn't coming from an IG mod.

(Ok, I admit, I was pissed to be told this by someone new. I think the PMs should have given the information to the SO admins so we could deal with it. Rant, rant, rave, rave. Now I am done.)

Sid is handling the situation with this individual.
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WolfHawk wrote:
Sid is handling the situation with this individual.
Hopefully I done good. Very Happy I sent a cordial PM asking if he had any questions, a link to the wikipedia article on ARGs, and an explanation of why I deleted the URLs in his signature (due to the spammity nature). I also responded to his post in a similar manner.

I agree with Dante in that people jumped down his throat without giving him the common courtesy of seeing if he wanted to play. Who knows! He could have good information on the H.P. stuff and would be a welcome player? I agree that his website is interesting (as Dante so eloquently put it) and that we should watch him for more spammity goodness or to see if he's just here to rile us up (but so far I have not seen anything that caused the reaction it did). If he acts up, then we'll deal with it, but he could be just confused and wanting to play along (at least according to his last post). I guess time will tell and we'll cross that bridge if it comes. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:10 pm
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 		Dante, I sent that as a private message to all those that posted in that thread. I don't recall posting that in any forum.
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lestat5891work wrote:
Dante, I sent that as a private message to all those that posted in that thread. I don't recall posting that in any forum.


Well that may have been what you meant to do, but it ended up as a post on the forum. To my knowledge, there is no way on SO to PM *just* the people who post in a particular thread, unless you PM each person individually one by one.

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sidtheduck wrote:
I agree with Dante in that people jumped down his throat without giving him the common courtesy of seeing if he wanted to play.


I think that, in the context of the game, the initial reaction made sense... Keep in mind, his first post wasn't, "This is terrible, how can I help?", it was more along the lines of, "hay guise! i has a cult!"... Given the fact that we're investigating a lovecraftian cult that may have murdered our friends, I think the response was justified (from a purely IC standpoint).

However, I could have done without all the meta information that cropped up later in that thread (it makes sense for unfiction; not sure it's such a good idea on an in-game forum). I'm hoping that it didn't serve to fan the flames of something that may, or may not, have actually been there.

The only gripe I really have with the guy so far is that we've pointed him at multiple places where he can get more information, with regards to what's going on in the game, and he has chosen not to investigate further. But, I agree with Sid's "wait and see" approach.
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 		The following is my opinion:

There is no reason to be rude to anyone. Here is the thing: if potential players see us being rude to a new players, they will not want to post or play. It isn't just in this game, I've noticed it in the Electric Church thread as well. In another game, the players treated a professor from NYU with great mistrust and suspicion. This person is someone that the PMs had obviously sought out to play, or at least know about, their game. It isn't necessary.

Here is the other thing: rude players turn off existing players and more experienced players from joining or continuing the game.

Please, don't treat new players like they are the enemy or with suspicion. You can always PM people with private messages. If you're not sure what to do you can post here or PM any of the mods here or PM any of the mods at Sentry Outpost. You can always welcome just welcome people. Or even not say anything at all, it will always work itself out.
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Obtusitivity
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danteIL wrote:
Well, speaking for myself, I have a problem with how some of us responded to his initial posts on SentryOutpost. For example:
Quote:
if you know anything, or can contribute, then maybe you're ok. but i wouldn't expect the welcome wagon, pal.


What was the purpose of that? We all want the player base of EE to grow, right? I know that if I were a lurker or newcomer and if I saw that kind of 'welcome,' then I would very quickly run the other way.

Did no one PM him privately to explain what EE is all about? His most recent post shows that he is understandably confused. I've seen his website and agree that, yes, it is, um, interesting, but until he (or anyone else) does something improper or obnoxious, then my personal policy would be to give them the benefit of the doubt.

At this point, I don't see any reason to ban or delete him.


EDIT:

Okay I have no idea what is going on or why Brian Clark would choose to email Obtusivity with this information or why Lestat would be the one to post this on SentryOutpost, but apparently other people are more aware of this guy's history than I was. I am deleting Lestat's post from S.O. but am going to post it here:

Quote:
official word from Brian Clark to Obtusitivity:

Obtusitivity wrote:
speaking of OOG soapbox, Brian Clark just sent me this:

Ob, do me a favor and pass on the word to others that they should be careful with Venger: he is not IG and he is not roleplaying. There is a bit of history, apparantly, between the Lovecraft community and this guy and he isn't beyond being antisocial. In particularly, we've been aware of him since before we were launching this, as he will likely look at any ARG and see an apparatus for magical intent ... that's why he's both a cult leader and a game developer. I wish I were making that abstract up, but I'm not.

Here's my advise (if you don't mind sharing t his OOG with others):

1. Ask one of the LARPers about him, I'm sure Greg @ PST Productions could provide a bit of a background at UF about his history.

2. My suggestion is to avoid putting any fuel on his fire -- that seems to be in great part what he is after.

3. Don't provide him any direct means of contact -- might I suggest you edit your message at SO to remove your email address?

Thanks for passing this on to the community: we've been watching the thread and hoping Venger might just grow bored of us. He might not, though, for the same reasons he won't leave the other Lovecraft communities alone.

So it looks like this dude is a nut job, we should ignore him, and move on. edited my post. please try to get the word out to everyone on the down-low.

-Obs


Just be careful


Essentially, it's probably because the original copy of my response to him was not friendly.

I'm really confused about why you guys continue to fuel the thread over there. it's pretty ridiculous following a polite heads-up that this guy may be a problem, and is probably best left alone. on top of that, (DANTE) I don't know why lestat would post that anywhere, but i circulated it to as many people as i could via PM or via email (couldn't find yours, but figured you'd either read this thread or talk to someone who got the email in chat).

As far as new players reacting negatively to how we're "treating" this guy, i could care less, go light a candle.

-So totally pissed right now
-OBS

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