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[META] Separate threads - time for our own Forum
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Methos
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I think the same like Dashcat. Very Happy

In the German wiki (maybe in the English, too) and in my head, it will always be called "BSeeingU".
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:18 am
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Caterpillar
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Giskard wrote:
Seeing general consensus in here and the fact that everyone found this place quite alright, I'd say we leave it at EE and focus on the game itself Smile


The general consensus ( 3 to 1 ) seems to be that a name change would be much appreciated.

Giskard wrote:
If you reckon it should be named that though, I'm more than happy to rename it.


PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:58 am
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I like Eldritch Errors. I wasn't even sure what eldritch meant, and no it has nothing to do with elves Wink , until I looked it up. Anything that is good for my vocabulary works for me. Plus, as it seems likely to be the name that the PMs are actually using for the game, it would be nice to be able to start off on the same page, instead of people coming back later and complaining about the name (which is what happens everytime we make up a name.) If we are wrong, which seems unlikely, about Eldritch Errors being the PMs official name, then we will still get those complaints about not using the official name, but at least we know this one has a great shot at being correct. We have better odds at getting it right using Eldritch Errors.

I wouldn't worry about players finding the forums here. I am sure there will be links on the in-game forums to here eventually, as is always the case with every game. If people can find unfiction, they can usually manage to find the correct subforum.

I think that while it is great of Giskard to offer to change it, it will just cause more confusion at this point and, really, unnecessary work. Everyone here already knows Eldritch Errors and can find this forum. I don't think new players will have a problem, so why change it?

And, thanks Giskard for making this subforum for the game!! We appreciate it. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:03 am
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rose wrote:
I wasn't even sure what eldritch meant, and no it has nothing to do with elves Wink , until I looked it up.


Part of my point. I had to look it up too. Wink
Not that word power isn't useful, but I'm not sure how Eldritch Errors really fits here.

rose wrote:
Plus, as it seems likely to be the name that the PMs are actually using for the game [snip] If we are wrong, which seems unlikely, about Eldritch Errors being the PMs official name


My biggest issue with using the META site tag is that it seems that because they've got a META site called Eldritch Errors - it must become the "official" name. It's not exactly TINAG when it feels like the message some people are taking away from that site is "Hey this is GMD's new game Eldritch Errors, come play, and name it that too while you're at it". Everytime I see it used, it feels like we might as well be playing Monopoly. No IGC has mentioned EE whatsoever - or any, even tenuos, connection to it for that matter.

Not sure what you mean by "If we are wrong" - I don't think there's a wrong way to name it.
[Unless of course you wanted to call it The Queen of England's Very First BBQ Wink ]

Most games are named by their trailhead [ime]. That's where the initial immersion comes in. Case in point: Monster Hunter Club - our "official game name" was Unnatural Selection, but the MHC site was the trailhead.

It feels "off" to use a name the PM team gave their game... Confused

rose wrote:
I think that while it is great of Giskard to offer to change it, it will just cause more confusion at this point and, really, unnecessary work. Everyone here already knows Eldritch Errors and can find this forum. I don't think new players will have a problem, so why change it?


I respectfully disagree with this point.

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All that being said, I won't mention another word about it, because even though it seems the consensus is that it be changed - all this discussion seems to only beget more discussion. And you're right in the sense that the longer said discussion goes on, the less likely/beneficial/opportune it is to change it.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:44 am
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I was wrong in using the term "general consensus" in my earlier post, as I used it to refer to this thread as well as the discussion amongst the moderators, the admins and in chat.

There is no convention on naming ARGs, or at least there isn't one on naming Unfiction (sub)forums for ARGs. It is true that we've often used the name of the trailhead to refer to a game, but that's is almost always just because there just is no other clear way of referring to a game in the early stages. In this case, we've had an official website referring to the game as 'Eldritch Errors' almost from day one. Whether or not people like this kind of breach of curtain/TINAG or not is something they should perhaps take up with the PMs when the game is over.

There has been ambiguity about referring to this game from the start, as it was tagged BAST and referred to as both B.A. St. Feline and BseeingU. Unfiction decided to name the forum after what the game is actually called, feeling that this could come in handy in the future, as the meta-site also clearly states that bseeingu.com is only a first of many chapters of this game, so we might avoid the kind of confusion we had around Project Syzygy/Perplexcity.

Now please, again, I'm certain that putting your energy into playing the game is much more satisfying than putting it into a naming discussion.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:36 am
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*Phaedra gives everyone a cookie.

Guys, it's really not that big of a deal. I promise. People who don't know anything about this forum but are trying to get into EE or BAST or whatever we want to call it will most likely find it by Googling terms related to the game, in which case they'll end up directly *in* this forum before they find out what it's called.

Regular UF members already know where to find it.

As I said earlier, having a forum named differently from what the players were calling it didn't hurt ILB any. I think this game will be just fine as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:09 am
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Well, I'm not of a naming opinion one way or another - EE or BAST is fine with me... but I think that since args really are community based, I don't think the name has to be what the 'official' name is given by the PM's, but rather what the community wants it to be... in the case of EE, everyone (well, generally) refers to it as bseeingu or some form, so why is that a bad name? even if 3 months down the line, www.bseeingu.com is a distant memory, it's still entrenched in everyone's mind, and really was the 'launching point' to the arg - it causes the least confusion for the most people. I think the name used should simply be what general consensus among the community makes it, not the PM's, even if the two do end up being similar or the same. It does, after all, help the community further feel that the ARG is theirs, and fosters that community environment, rather than splitting it or confusing it.

That said, I don't want to fuel the debate about the actual name given here, so I'm fine with EE Smile I think this debate has been sufficiently noticed to entrench Eldritch Errors in most people's minds, so the connection has been made anyway.
So point: * I don't think a community's working ARG name has to be as close to the official name as possible; * I think the name should be given based on general consensus within that community for ease of recognition, whether it happens to be the official name or not - it's what everyone knows it as.

Just some thoughts for the future, if/when this comes up again in another arg...
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carmenmiranda
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I am shockingly indifferent.

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konamouse wrote:
/me runs into to room and screams

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then scurries out quickly......... Laughing Laughing


lol...I think this thread needed that... Laughing

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EldritchErrosBAStFelineBSeeingUAreProvidenceMonstersofMountainsofMadnessoftheSea-
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Sorry, this thread is becoming great entertainment!






[EDIT] It ws becoming great in more than one dimension, so I snipped your post in half, sorry Smile --Gisk

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Note that using a pregame or teaser name will leave you with artifacts like #syzygy
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My 2 cents: I've been away for a couple of days, so coming back today I went straight to look for (insert here your favourite name for this ARG) in the "ARGs with potential" forum. It wasn't there anymore. It took less then 20 seconds to find it, despite the name change. And I'm the slowest guy ever to post on uF. So, really, I can't see what's the problem. We know (even if we, uh, shouldn't actually) that this new name is how it's meant to be, and it will very likely be a good call for threads consistency in the long term. And, most important, it's really not that important.
So, if you ask me, I'm just gonna relax, enjoy and accept Phaedra's cookie. Smile
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It took me a little longer than 20 seconds, but that was because mentally I was scanning the ARG section for something that started with a 'B'. BaST, B.A., something along those lines. The problem I have with eldritch errors is that the name hasn't come up in-game, so people not already active on the forum might not find it.

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