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Tordek
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Karma updates

ADPrince has become white karma, and we now have a new handler, some Kropp guy. Any info on that?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:28 pm
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UnimportantHero
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Not surprised at all. I figured it would either be Kropp or Mercer would end up as the handler for Red District agents. But Prince has been White Karma for awhile now hasnt he?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:02 pm
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Wang Guantao
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He's always been white yes.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:32 pm
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taureanfreak
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Bishop told me awhile ago that Kropp was the other handler. Something like a month ago

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plikma
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I'm confused.com at hte minute.

I thought that if you were red (or yellow) you had ADPrince as a handler and if you were green (or blue) you had Sawyer. So who's this Kropp guy? Also, I thought that people from the future had black, white or grey karma whereas people from now have red, yellow, green or blue karma. But Kropp is from the future! With the introduction of Red district I think things will change perhaps.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:18 am
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notgordian
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Here's a general karma overview (I got a pretty good handle on the stuff through a series of questions over the last few months)

BLACK KARMA--indicates you are "off the system". That could mean you're like rlseger, eldoradowatcher and theophilus and in deep hiding, or it could mean you're dead like Father Beck.

GREY KARMA--this karma is associated with Alex Wright and those who work close with him. Namely, Bishop and Alex himself.

RED/GREEN KARMA--the starting karmas, based on a positive or negative system. Although all agents start at one of these karmas, characters from our time (WillForth--green) and the future (slewth, taramercer, kropp--red) can have these karmas.

YELLOW/BLUE KARMA--these are "advanced" forms of red/green karma, and at the moment only players (morelaak--blue, agent lex--yellow) possess them. If you make too many mistakes that give you karma of the opposite color, you go back down. Blue is the advanced form of green, and Yellow is the advanced form of red. (LEVEL UP!)

Kropp is Detective Kropp from the Red District--he has taken over the handling of red and yellow agents for the time being (although only Agent Lex can confirm the latter) because Assistant Director Prince (ADPrince) has a lot more to deal with than us troublesome agents. Similarly, Bishop is the Grey District handler (for green/blue) because Sawyer's busy doing whatever he does. Karma in itself doesn't indicate more than general allegiance. It can't be used to tell player/character or temporal status.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:45 am
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echidna
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Quick Guide to the Karma System

Edit: I spend ages typing this out, only to press preview and find that notgordian has beaten me to the post Razz .(Note to self - "Type faster!") Well, I decided to still post anyway as some of my theories and findings are slightly different to his. Apologies for any doubling up.

Here's my attempt at a quick guide to the Karma system for any new or confused players. It might also be worth looking at this thread to see some of our earlier thoughts and theories.

Red: Default setting for players who chose the more martial answers in the initial psych exam. Also granted to the new characters from the future who are associated with the Red District; ie, TaraMercer and kropp.

Green: Default setting for players who chose the more pacifistic answers in the initial psych exam. I don't think there are any future agents with Green karma but I may be wrong.

Yellow: So far only 1 agent - AgentLex - has Yellow karma. It was awarded to him by Foo for his investigation into Father Beck so we've assumed that Yellow is a higher form of Red karma.

Blue: Likewise, so far only 1 agent - Morelaak - has Blue karma. This was changed for him by one of the in-game characters - Chris - in order to prove that he had a backdoor into the system - see this thread for details. Again we've assumed that Blue is a higher form of Green Karma.

White: Appears to be reserved for those in charge - so far only Foo and ADPrince have White Karma.

Grey: So far Grey seems mostly to be reserved for in-game characters from the Grey District - Bishop, Father Ziod, etc. These all seem to serve an official role within the city but have much lower status than the leaders. The big exception to this is AlexWright, who appears to be the Alex Wright from our time rather than the future senator Wright, yet still has Grey karma.

Black: Black seems to be the mystery colour. When the interface first went live only Father Theo and eldoradowatcher had Black karma so we assumed that Black - being the opposite of Foo's White - was for people allied to Brackin, yet this doesn't seem to be the case. I asked eldoradowatcher about his Karma and he told me the followiing:

eldoradowatcher wrote:
As for my black karma, I am afraid I don't know much more than you do. I was red for a brief time when I first entered the system, but it seemed to adjust and change with time. I can remember the first time that I noticed I had a black karma, but I cannot think of any events that went along with that (I certainly didn't die or anything). It seems possible that black is used by the system for agents that are essentially "out of bounds" so to speak. If you are dead, the system essentially cannot recognize you so you are set to black. Maybe if you slip way over to one side of whatever crazy continuum they have us on, you could conceivably become black because you are "off the charts" or something. Just a spec. I certainly don't mean that the system actually can't "see" me or whatever, I just think that maybe black is sort of a catch-all at one extreme of the spectrum.


So it seems that Black is for agents the system simply can't quantify.

As for handlers, Bishop (Grey) has always been the handler for Green agents - as far as I'm aware we've never had any contact with Sawyer directly. ADPrince (White) was the handler for Red agents but, following his promotion - see here for details - this duty has been assigned to City Detective Kropp (Red) instead.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:24 am
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notgordian
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Thanks for leaving that up, echidna--that's a much more thorough take than what I got up.

For a general reference, The Wiki has a section that gets occasionally updated that describes the ins and outs of karma.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:59 am
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Wang Guantao
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There is a future person of green Karma... CFreakSPLATgmail.com.

That's the only one I know.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:15 am
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UnimportantHero
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At one point I emailed Chris about how to acquire Grey Karma, since I am so strongly aligning myself with the Grey District in the future. His response was:

Quote:
I don't think that you want to draw that kind of attention to yourself...


Which was weird since I have already drawn a lot of attention to myself (I am being investigated) and my profile has been flagged. On top of that all my communications have a priority watch or something on them from what I could tell. I am gonna push this one. ;p

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taureanfreak
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ok, here's new news!!!! I've been talking to Theo about death (right now nothing worth posting, again just ask if you want to know, i've posted my email addy) So I decided to ask Bishop about myself in 2037. Here's what I found:
Quote:
>>>HANDLE: taureanfreak
>>>KNOWN ALIASES: NONE
>>>SQ-ID: TI00000146-3TA / NO DATA
>>>AGENT SINCE: 2006
>>>STATUS: GREEN
>>>CURRENT AGE: 54*
>>>RACE: WHITE/HISP
>>>HEIGHT: 165CM
>>>KARMA: +67
>>>CITIZEN: NO
>>>CURRENT WHEREABOUTS: UNKNOWN
>>>LIVING STATUS: UNKNOWN, PRESUMED DEAD*

So we know now for sure that there is a numeric value for karma. Even if it's just the design of the "MAN" and could be changed at their will Smile

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WolfHawk
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You found the information? How? Or is that what Bishop sent you when you asked?

My bet is you're hiding out among the underground! Perhaps in a bunker!
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WolfHawk
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Oops, sorry for the double post. The forum seems to be lagging about 30 seconds behind me.
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taureanfreak
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LOL "found" may have not been a good word choice. That's what Bishop sent back to me. And ya never know where we will be in the future

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