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Email Phyllis Dougs Funeral arrangements
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Sunny du Pree
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 		Email Phyllis Dougs Funeral arrangements

Dear Sunny,
This weekend has been hectic, to say the least. The coroner suddenly released Douglas' body late Friday afternoon and I had a lot of decisions to make. I will say without reservation that Agatha and Pat Dobbs have been unfailing in their support and helped in making the arrangements for a graveside service today. I had been thinking about sending Douglas' body to his family's plot in West Virginia. But, Pat would not hear of it. He insisted on using a plot he owns in the Watcher's Corners Cemetery north of town. They were adamant, no matter what indictments may come out of the Grand Jury; Douglas deserves to be
treated with honor and dignity. I cannot say how much this means to me.

I did nix their plans for a solemn funeral procession down Main Street as I felt that would be catering a bit too much to the media circus here. The keywords I have used with the mortuary and everyone else are tasteful, understated and dignified. Douglas and I were not church members so I have left it up to Pat to arrange for a pastor and he will, I imagine, not pass up the opportunity to deliver some kind of eulogy. I tell you, it was devilishly hard to find a caterer on such short notice but there will be a gathering at the house afterwards that I shall try to strictly limit. I don't want a repeat of the parade that came through here earlier this week. I'm still drafting a guest list for James to use at the door.

The coroner listed the cause of death as "massive coronary failure." This bothers me tremendously. Douglas had a full check-up in January and there were no signs of any trouble, no high cholesterol or high blood pressure. He didn't smoke; he wasn't the least bit overweight and, as far as I know, there was no history of heart disease in his family. Of course, those miners tend to die young from black lung and alcohol before their hearts give out but still – there is something very suspicious about it to me.

Well, I must say all the activity has spared me from the depression that might have otherwise set in. Also, I wasn't able to go with Iris on her adventure this afternoon. Pat and Agatha were here and had so many details to hash out, it was impossible for me to get away. Today is going to be terrible in so many ways but it's a first step toward closure. I will try to write again this
evening.

Love,
Phyllis

and this addendum

Sunny,
Oh, dear, I just realized I misspoke. Iris' adventure was yesterday afternoon, not this afternoon. Oh well, I'm in a fairly surreal state, as you might imagine. She will, of course be accompanying me to the funeral this afternoon. She has been rather remote today, looking meditative. She told me about meeting Bruce Abbott and Angie and a little bit of her impressions in the Don's office. (Shudder) Imagine opening yourself up to the energies in that room! I have the feeling she is withholding, not telling everything she learned there. Perhaps, she is sparing me some new grief. I don't know. I'm suddenly feeling very tired. I think I shall lie down before preparing myself for the service. I will write again afterward, if I can.

Love,
Phyllis
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 		I"m hoping that the funeral is a big plot-point explosion with all heck breaking loose.

Twisted Evil

And, EVIL SPEC: Jethro is dead because his wife wished it so. Shocked
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 		Re: Email Phyllis Dougs Funeral arrangements
Sunny du Pree wrote:

The coroner listed the cause of death as "massive coronary failure." This bothers me tremendously. Douglas had a full check-up in January and there were no signs of any trouble, no high cholesterol or high blood pressure....


Well, great fright could also cause a heart attack... or a mystic being.
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Valas
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 		Or enough digitalis or ephedra to drown a mouse in, with said coroner then being leaned upon to accept an offer he cannot refuse, and qualify the death(s) as accidental as s/he can.

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Valas wrote:
Or enough digitalis or ephedra to drown a mouse in, with said coroner then being leaned upon to accept an offer he cannot refuse, and qualify the death(s) as accidental as s/he can.


I sent an email to phyllis today saying it is at this late date that I ask her if the Coroner checked for digitalis in the blood stream because she said that Jethro was very healthy in Jan I guess it was. So I hope it doesnt back fire on me!
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Valas wrote:
Or enough digitalis or ephedra to drown a mouse in, with said coroner then being leaned upon to accept an offer he cannot refuse, and qualify the death(s) as accidental as s/he can.


Well we already have questions about the bodies in the accident. It would be a convienent way to get rid of evidence of another crime, to have them mis-identified as Dale's family, the questions then would be, when was the switch made, and where are Diana and Meaghan being held now?
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Valas wrote:
Or enough digitalis or ephedra to drown a mouse in, with said coroner then being leaned upon to accept an offer he cannot refuse, and qualify the death(s) as accidental as s/he can.


Since Digitalis has been mentioned so much lately I did a little more digging on our little Mascot plant:

Came up with the following from Floridata:
http://www.floridata.com/ref/d/digi_pur.cfm
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The dried leaves of common foxglove are the principal source of the important heart drug, digitalis. Originally called "folkesglove" (glove of little folks or fairies), in Olde England, today foxglove is grown commercially for the leaves which yield powerful cardiac glycosides that strengthen and regulate heartbeat. Extreme caution must be used in administering digitalis since the lethal dose is only slightly stronger than the therapeutic dose.


I think Valas may have something here. As a common medication, the Medical Examiner could have easily discounted its presence.
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Magesteff wrote:
As a common medication, the Medical Examiner could have easily discounted its presence.


That's assuming a lot that we don't know: 1) that a tox screen was done, including looking for dig and 2) that a medical examiner would ignore levels of digitoxin in a person who was not taking it as a prescription.

I asked Kendra to look at it a bit more, to go behind the formal announcements. I'm hoping that she'll be able to get somewhere.
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 		Just as a side observation.. If the autopsy report of Owen McCleery was anything to go by over at S4E, then the medical examiner will NOT be looking for drugs like Digitalis or Ephedra in the bloodstream.

Here's the example of what Doc Simmons was looking for..

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Name: Owen McCleery              Ellis Davidson, MD, DABFP

ME Case No: 130891               Chief Medical Examiner

                                 Marsha Simmons, PhD., DAB

                                 Chief Toxicologist

 

                                  Priority: 1

                                  M.I. TOX NO: 864498#-00

 
Blood Ethanol Neg
Urine Ethanol Neg
Urine Cannabinoids-ETS Neg
Urine Cocaine-ETS Neg
Urine Opiates-ETS Neg
Blood Carbon Monoxide Neg
Blood Cyanide Neg
Blood ABN Neg
Urine ABN Neg
Lung Volatile Neg
Urine Barbiturate-ETS Neg
Urine Amphetamine-ETS Neg
Urine Methadone-ETS Neg
Urine PCP-ETS Neg


All in all woefully inadequate, especially considering that Owen supposedly died of a heart attack, which is rather amazing seeing how his heart was just fine. No abnormalities at all, no clogged arteries, no history of heart palpitations either. Clean bill of health in that area.

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 		Exactly what I was referring to.
Routine screens for "drugs of abuse" don't look for every drug in the world, but just the ones of abuse.
You can get a digoxin level, but you have to ask for it.
Why would an examiner ask for one in a patient not taking it, and not expected to be a victim of murder/poisoning?
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dmax wrote:
Exactly what I was referring to.
Routine screens for "drugs of abuse" don't look for every drug in the world, but just the ones of abuse.
You can get a digoxin level, but you have to ask for it.
Why would an examiner ask for one in a patient not taking it, and not expected to be a victim of murder/poisoning?


Hopefully Dr. K will be able to convince the M.E. to do the screen. They take enough samples, so buring JD should not mean disinterring him... Unless the M.E. did not take samples (i.e. back to the "paid to know nothing" theory) which would be highly unusually. They may not test them, but they do have to take them.
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