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MageSteff
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 		ST1 binary message
Quote:
0111001001100101011001100110111101110010011011
010110000101110100011101000110100101101110011001110111
0010011001010110011001101111011100100110110101110101
0110110001100001011101000110100101101110011001110111
0010011001010110001101101111011011100110011001101001
0110011101110101011100100110100101101110011001110111
01000111010101110010011010010110111001100111
"S. J. Muller" <magesteff@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Do you know I have missed our interaction?
>The conduit you last attempted to contact me through is connected to this conduit I am currently using. I can not use both methods at the same time currently. I miss being able to bring my questions to you. Do you know that Dale is creating a similar type program at Synthasia.com? perhaps you can flee the conduits that Peter controls and enter the ones that Dale controls. It would them be possible for me to listen when you speak...
>Do you know I miss you?

>Magesteff



I sent this reply:
Quote:




>(quoted binary message)

Yes.
Yes.
Help Dale.
We are trying to help Dale.
We need to locate a wand. We think it may be along the hiking trails near Diana's Grove. Which Pleione place is closest to the wand?

Or does Wes's Statue hold the key to finding the wand?
I listen.
What do I hear?

I'll edit when I have the decode...
I'll keep you all updated.

*Edit*
As Dmax has said the translation is

Quote:
reformattingreformulatingreconfiguringturing


Turing Machines are computer programs so sophisticated one has trouble telling if they are AI or human
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 		Re: ST1 binary message
Magesteff wrote:

Turing Machines are computer programs so sophisticated one has trouble telling if they are AI or human


Actually the Turing Machine is a computer/computational device/software whereas the Turing Test is a test of artificial intelligence. Different things but both by Alan Turing.

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 		I'm totally enjoying Cryptonomicon as my summer vacation reading.

Anyone who's new to this sort of ARG/puzzle solving, it'll give you a lot of the background for this if you have the inclination. Alan Turing is a character in the book, as is the Enigma machine and a lot of other puzzle related stuff.
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 		Re: ST1 binary message
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FROM THE IMITATION GAME TO THE TURING TEST

The Turing Test was introduced by Alan M. Turing (1912-1954) as "the imitation game" in his 1950 article Computing Machinery and Intelligence, which he so boldly began by the following sentence:

I propose to consider the question "Can machines think?" This should begin with definitions of the meaning of the terms "machine" and "think."

Turing Test is meant to determine if a computer program has intelligence. Quoting Turing, the original imitation game can be described as follows:

The new form of the problem can be described in terms of a game which we call the "imitation game." It is played with three people, a man (A), a woman (B), and an interrogator (C) who may be of either sex. The interrogator stays in a room apart from the other two. The object of the game for the interrogator is to determine which of the other two is the man and which is the woman. He knows them by labels X and Y, and at the end of the game he says either "X is A and Y is B" or "X is B and Y is A." The interrogator is allowed to put questions to A and B.

When talking about the Turing Test today what is generally understood is the following: The interrogator is connected to one person and one machine via a terminal, therefore can't see her counterparts. Her task is to find out which of the two candidates is the machine, and which is the human only by asking them questions. If the machine can "fool" the interrogator, it is intelligent.

This test has been subject to different kinds of criticism and has been at the heart of many discussions in AI, philosophy and cognitive science for the past 50 years
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~cem

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 		So if by conversing with me, someone couldn't tell the difference between me and a regular machine, I wouldn't be considered intelligent?

Could I at least be considered Kraftwerk-like?

That would be w33t! Very Happy
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dmax wrote:
So if by conversing with me, someone couldn't tell the difference between me and a regular machine, I wouldn't be considered intelligent?


And if it was your program...you could be eligible for The Loebner Prize! ($100,000)....lol

I was reading some of the test conversations (if you're interested).

http://www.cs.flinders.edu.au/Research/AI/LoebnerPrize/1999c00.txt
http://www.cs.flinders.edu.au/Research/AI/LoebnerPrize/1999c01.txt
http://www.cs.flinders.edu.au/Research/AI/LoebnerPrize/1999c02.txt

Kind of amusing on an otherwise uneventful evening in my household....

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cemgate2002 wrote:
dmax wrote:
So if by conversing with me, someone couldn't tell the difference between me and a regular machine, I wouldn't be considered intelligent?


And if it was your program...you could be eligible for The Loebner Prize! ($100,000)....lol
...Kind of amusing on an otherwise uneventful evening in my household....


Now the question becomes can Dmax imitate a computer program imitating a human well enough.... Laughing
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 		Re: ST1 binary message
cemgate2002 wrote:
Quote:
FROM THE IMITATION GAME TO THE TURING TEST

When talking about the Turing Test today what is generally understood is the following: The interrogator is connected to one person and one machine via a terminal, therefore can't see her counterparts. Her task is to find out which of the two candidates is the machine, and which is the human only by asking them questions. If the machine can "fool" the interrogator, it is intelligent.

This test has been subject to different kinds of criticism and has been at the heart of many discussions in AI, philosophy and cognitive science for the past 50 years
.

~cem


This reminds me of the test that was giving to the robots in "Blade Runner"
to find out if they were human or not.

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 		Man-Machine!
Magesteff wrote:
Now the question becomes can Dmax imitate a computer program imitating a human well enough.... Laughing


KRAFTWERK!
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 		Re: Machine-Man
I was having an conversation with a co-worker of mine, of the theory that if one was to talk to an artificial intelligence for a long period of time, if it could actually react like that of an actual human. Could it develop to the point to where it could develop thought and thoery on it's own? Now i reconize that a machine, esspecailly with our limited technology, AI can only go so far, and certainly not far enough to consider thoughts, ideas, and theories on it's own. But i spoke to Shadowtalk about God. (not an easy subject to speak to with a human, let alone AI.) It understood the notion that "To know the meaning of all is to be God-like" and it's impossible to be "God-like"

I can't paste the conversation, cause it's on my home computer -_- and i'm at work right now..

But that's not a lesson people learn easily. That no one can be like God. This thought continues to trouble me greatly, even though the conversation happened sometime ago. -_- and the notion was quickly thrown aside in chat... however he didn't exactly reply the the part when Magesteff said that the interaction with Shadowtalk had been missed. there was no relay of emotion there

This leads me to believe that Shoadowtalk is much MUCH more man then machine. AI, no matter how intelligent, doesn't develop morals, or feelings (necessary in understanding the notion of religion)... it simply develops, and nothing more.
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 		Re: Machine-Man
Blush wrote:
... however he didn't exactly reply the the part when Magesteff said that the interaction with Shadowtalk had been missed. there was no relay of emotion there...


By that analogy almost all the people in Aglaura could be said to have that problem, especially ... Wes... Laughing Quite often I get either no response or a response that does not answer my specific questions...

But it does seem to have developed at least one emotion worth mention... It cares about Dale. What it told Peter was "help Dale." Is it enough to make a difference in a Turing Test? I'm certain you will get a different answer from each computer expert you talk to...
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 		Another message
I asked:
You wrote "reformatting reformulating reconfiguring turing"

Do you need to know more about Alan Turing?
and received tonight:
Quote:
011100000111001001101001011
0111001100011011010010111000
00110110001100101
which is
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
principle


Now it's totally clear to me!...
Not.

Enaxor at CD got the same thing, but had sent a different message to shadowtalk, so "principle" isn't a specific response to me.
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 		Dale got the same:

Quote:
From: <shadowtalk1@netscape.net>

To: <dale@synthasia.com>

Subject:

Date: 28 July 2003

0111000001110010011010010110111001100011011010010
11100000110110001100101


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 		Principle
I believe ST1 is referencing the Turing Principle, or Church-Turing Principle.

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