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Adventurik
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 		equation
I agree that it is extremely frustrating. They do refer to it as a formula, and not an equation. I was just toying with the idea of it as a quadratic espression, and it would "equal" the password. Why 4 2 ? Got to grasp any straw we can till we find the right one. It does have an almost striking similarity to a quadratic if split up. But then P-sub-4 is rather mysterious. I like the idea that it could refer to Mars, and I checked on Mars orbit characteristics, but couldn't make any of it fit.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:52 am
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Shirley Films
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 		There is another clue (one I dismissed at first) that seems odd to me now:

"Arrange the puzzle pieces within the boundaries before adding a step."

That makes me think. I mean... I don't see why it would matter, but if you were to lay the Da Vinci piece OVER the solved puzzle... what would you see? Nothing but lines, I am guessing. But could the lines amount to something when viewed through the hole?

Erg.

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Shirley Films
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 		Not to change the subject....

I sent them another email (Family Games) asking for some clarification on Pillars and The Equation. I expressed the frustration of not knowing if we even have the proper solution. since there is no way to check. Have not heard back yet, but I am hoping they respond.

Major spoilers ahead for Carta Blanca and Pillars:

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With the solution I presented for Pillars, my ending number was 30. I know there have been a number of posts on here about the solution to Carta Blanca.

Happily, I was able to avoid spoilers on this forum regarding Carta Blanca and I solved it on my own. At first, with the clues about Global Warming, icecap, Atlantis, etc... I was tempted to put it in the water and start the experiments there (I thought this because I could see the scroll inside was sealed in plastic - a first for this series of puzzles). However, I guessed that the 30 could be a temp, so I decided to stick mine in the freezer before submerging it... and voila! 32 is technically freezing, but 30 does the trick too (I also searched the Atlantis gameboard <after> for a place where i could achieve a number total of 32 - and there are many ways to do that - but none that I could figure fit the clues).

I found it interesting that people on here were HEATING Carta Blanca.... since that doesn't do anything to mine at all. But it got me to thinking.... if FREEZING is what unlocked mine.... what would happen if someone in Alaska purchased this puzzle in winter? It would already be opened. I wonder if it is possible that they flip the attenuator thingy inside depending on the area where they are selling these. Unlikely, I know. But. It's odd.

I mean, it gets to be 120 degrees here in the Summer. If heat were to open it.... ? Well. You get my drift. I find it curious. Thats all.


Anyway. Didn't mean to distract from The Equation. Smile

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 		Carta Blanca
Shirley's previous
Spoiler for the Carta..
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It is interesting that yours worked with cold. If yours is still apart, check to see if the springy thingy will spin so that it works with both heat and cold. There may be a relation between C and F temps where it would open, like 30F and ...30C=86F. 86 probably is too cool to open it. Your logic of where the puzzle might be shipped would determine which springy to install is very good, but I doubt they would have been that intricate. How are you doing with the Equation password? Same as we are doing, I suspect.


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Shirley Films
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 		Re: Carta Blanca
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How are you doing with the Equation password? Same as we are doing, I suspect.


Yep. I am nowhere.

But I feel like something is misisng.

Why are the different equations/statements on the board all listed twice? Unless the puzzlemaker is just lazy, why would the same group of equations need to be listed TWICE? Something about that doesn't click to me... unless there is a reason.

And why is only ONE diagonal?

I have tried solving the password independently of the puzzle, but my gut tells me they are connected. Otherwise, there it absolutely no point to even having letters printed on the board.... in odd positions.

Unless it is just supposed to be pretty.

I would HOPE that the markings on Da Vinci would MEAN something and not just be asthetic.... but... who knows. If they DO mean something... then I don't think we have even found the proper solution to the puzzle yet (since they don't seem to match).

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrg.

I sincererly hope someone solves this soon. Smile

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 		Equation
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Family Games did not ask my ideas, but...
I'd hope EVERYTHING has some meaning or reason for being part of a puzzle. Even if it is a deliberate misdirection. If the expression is printed on a diagonal because some lines of the puzzle form a diagonal and that might be a misdirection for us to ponder, then that is good enough for me. I'd hope there is more built in to the puzzles than most of us need, but would be 'candy' for puzzlemisters. I'm sure the password is closely related to the puzzle, but I won't understand how until we discover it, and I still might not understand it. I'm introducing this series of puzzles to a couple of friends soon who might have a fresh look on things. I'll take notes and share. New ideas are...well, new!

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 		The Equation
Please, already!
I really want to figure this puzzle out, but all I need to know is:

How the heck am I supposed to get the center piece out of The Clue so I can use what's written on it?!

All of the wooden squares are blocked by pegs. I can't get any of the blocks out, much less the center one!

I begging for answers. Please e-mail me at alexis.wynnSPLATgmail.com or reply to my post! HELP. I want my weekends back.

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 		The Equation
<<alexis.wynn@gmail.com>>

For any hints, please

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 		the clue
One of the pegs is magnetic and can be pulled straight out.I'm sure its been mentioned before un this forum,probably in the beginning.

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 		The Equation
Yes! Thank you! Now for solving. I noticed the faint markings on the middle disk and I've tried multiple ways to achieve a square. After all of the pieces of the tangram are fit into place, what next? I've read and reread the forum and no real sudden discovery has been realized.

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 		Re: The Equation
Anonymous wrote:
Yes! Thank you! Now for solving. I noticed the faint markings on the middle disk and I've tried multiple ways to achieve a square. After all of the pieces of the tangram are fit into place, what next? I've read and reread the forum and no real sudden discovery has been realized.
Aha! You're making good progress, Guest. Now all you have to do is read the clues a thousand times, re-read the forum for more clues you may have missed, bang your head a hundred more times, and you'll be where the rest of us are. Smile But really, we wish you luck and welcome to the battle. Always good to have another brain attacking the problem, and you might have some helpful insight before you damage your brain too much. (Do I sound too cynical?)

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Shirley Films
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 		Well. I have spent a bit of time trying to arrange the puzzle in a way that matches the diagram on Da Vinci (using a print out of a photo of the piece - enlarged to fit the gameboard with the markings at the far edges)... and all I can say is that I do not think there is a way to solve the puzzle so that it all lines up.

Granted, I am not very good at this type of puzzle (this one took me forever to complete the FIRST time), but it really doesn't seem like it can be done. I could be wrong, of course.

The mentions of "the 1st step" and "only one step" are what currently have me scratching my head. It could just be cryptic talk, but... what would be the FIRST STEP??? .... what do they even mean by STEP?

Smile

I am seriously getting worn out on this one.

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 		Some time ago, someone posted in this forum that they had put together a computer model of the pieces which would show ALL the possible configurations of the pieces on the board.

I think they said that there were a few hundred possibilities, but then they never came back.

I doubt there are that many. But the idea of putting a program together to get ALL the possible solutions is starting to appeal to me. I wish I had paid more attention in my programming classes 10 years ago. Heh.

Maybe there is a way online.

If we could at least look at all the possible solutions, we might see one that matches up with the DaVinci piece. Even though, as I already stated.... that doesn't seem possible to me.

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Shirley Films wrote:
The mentions of "the 1st step" and "only one step" are what currently have me scratching my head. It could just be cryptic talk, but... what would be the FIRST STEP??? .... what do they even mean by STEP?
I sincerely believe that STEP refers to the large brown middle piece of DaVinci. If you hold the puzzle vertically, they look like steps. And the 1st step is is always the largest to step on first. But I always allow room for error that I might be wrong.

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 		You are probably right. I think my brain has turned to goo thinking about this one.

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