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Just some moo ramblings on this Dale
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Myssfitz
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 		Just some moo ramblings on this Dale
Now I understand why Dale didn't want to do a chat. He knew he would get caught if he talked to all of us at once. He was "safe" when only talking to a few of us at a time. (And actually, he said in his email to me, that he wants to talk one-on-one. But yet he was IMing with 2 or 3 people at once. Also, look at the beginning of that last letter from Dale. It starts out with Ursulla: In all the other emails from Dale (that I've had time to check), they started out on a more personal note. Ursulla, I know I haven't written to you in a while or I 'm sorry I haven't talked to you in a while.)

I had asked him if he was holding anything over on the Don. He said he knew about the loansharking (first time mentioning it, ever. he took out a loan with the Don and the Don told him to find the Wish and he would excuse the loan. In all of Dale's logs, diaries, whatever, wherever he communicates, he never directly admits to going to a loanshark. he skirts the issue. goes around it. never really says the words "loansharking". he says he borrowed money from some people with a less than reputable reputation.)

But then, in his IM to Sunny or Mage, he says he sees the Don standing there, but younger. Now wouldn't you say that is something he has "over" the Don (or under-since the Don was above him Very Happy )?
And now with Wes agreeing something is off with Dale, and Terrasnow's wonderful thoughts, I know that that was not Dale we were talking too.

Maybe it was the Don's alter evil, trying to find out what we know. Or maybe it was JD. For all we know, his body died, but his essence went into something. The something that "killed" him. And this is JD's way of atoning.

Or it's Dale's alter evil. Do we really know when we have been talking to the "real" Dale?

This "Dale" can say that the Don killed his own son, but I don't believe that either. I know it can happen, but this is CTW. That would be too normal. The real Don would never have sent flowers (awful or not) to Phyllis. Maybe that was JD again trying to send her a message. I wonder if he ever sent her an awful flower arrangement as a joke or something?

So, we now have to find out who this Dale is and where the other Dale is (Dale's are). Can anyone think of a good question to draw this Dale out?
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Valas
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 		To play devil's advocate..

a)The slow typing is indicative of Dale.

b)As was the word use and phrasing.

c)As for the , vs the : it's a form e-mail slightly altered to fit each person. Message is identical from from what I've seen. So I'm not sure if this even qualifies as circumstancial evidence.

d)So Dale admits to the term loansharking.. Isn't it also possible he just got tired of dancing around the issue. I mean.. He knew it. We knew it. Why bother hiding it. We're already past the point where we'd condemn him for it.

e)The apparent life-drain.. Hun.. Think about it, can he go to that nitwit of a Prufrock and say, I saw Don Marzano kill his own son and syphon off his life energy to power himself?? Or can he go to her and say, Don Marzano is a loanshark, and here's the evidence for it.

f)Oh yes.. Wes.. The Stalworthy.. Who keeps information from us, who lies to us, who nearly gets Phyllis and Iris killed, who was taken by the DEGs, least according to the Guides, who knowingly transported stolen goods belonging to Phyllis and handing it over to Penrose. (And don't give me that, he didn't know it was illegal. If I can find out this information in under 5 minutes, then so can he.) That same Wes, who has counseled Dale constantly against associating with us, the same Wes who's son is a DEG.. Sure let's trust him, and while we're at it, let's trust Bruce Abbot too and tell him everything that Iris kept from him. Rolling Eyes

g)As for the Don and his do's and don'ts. Everything he's done thus far fits perfectly in the psych profile I've made of him. Killing off his own son and saving face with his associates.. Using it to fuel himself. Using Phyllis as an alibi, sending her the flowers.. It all fits..

h)And let's face it showing up at the funeral of JD, even knowing that Prufrock is looking for him, to apologize to Phyllis and offer her some emotional and mental support. That's Dale for you. He ALWAYS does boneheaded things, instead of waiting till Prufrock is gone, he shows up early..

Now if you want to believe what you wrote, that's your business.. Me?? I say there's plenty of holes in the story told by the others, to suggest that Dale's story has some credence, especially in light of the stuff which has already happened to him.

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Shelina
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 		Re: Just some moo ramblings on this Dale
Myssfitz wrote:
Maybe it was the Don's alter evil, trying to find out what we know. Or maybe it was JD. For all we know, his body died, but his essence went into something. The something that "killed" him. And this is JD's way of atoning.

Or it's Dale's alter evil. Do we really know when we have been talking to the "real" Dale?


If it was Don or JD who spoke with us, how did he crack both Dale's mail and IM identity?
In case it wasn't "our Dale", I'll go for an "evil Dale", and if that evil one knows the same as our Dale, we wont be able to catch him with questions

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 		Re: Just some moo ramblings on this Dale
Myssfitz wrote:
Now I understand why Dale didn't want to do a chat. He knew he would get caught if he talked to all of us at once. He was "safe" when only talking to a few of us at a time.

Smile Ursulla hun, your just playing devil's advocate aren't you... Smile

I don't think he used the word "safe" he said he felf more comfortable with it, being able to focus on just one person at a time (yes, we all know he was carrying on 5, 6 or more conversations at the same time and lots of others just didn't want to wait their turn, I wonder if those of us in "Im a Dale Watcher" room got called as quickly as we did because we were the patient ones who didn't pester him.)

On the one hand it did limit the amount of information we each received and the number of questions we could ask, because he could always say, "I have lots of others to talk too.." on the other hand, we each got a little bit of personal attention. Honestly it would be better for him to just answer questions by e-mail than at a time we are all clamoring for attention.

Was it the "real" Dale... who knows how many PM's we were talking to... because there is no face to face interaction with all our modes of communication, I have to say there are a few things we will need to take on faith that won't be screwed with...
1.) That unless it gets mentioned that something has been compromised by an In-game character, e-mail and IM are secure conversation. Even when "thenumberedones" took over use of ST1's channel they used their own name and not his.
2.) We can always ask for verification from other sources, but it appears that factual information will remain consistent unless an in game character mentions that it is not. Example, the "copycat sites on the graffiti" we have had Iris check them and yes, the original information stands, the copycat sites have no residual afterimage to be seen.
3.) Consistency. Dale has told the same thing to in game characters that he has told us, where Wes has not been forthcoming with any information to corroborate his motives or information he provides. He said we should steer clear of the mythosphere group, but gave us not reason to base the argument on, no reason for us to believe or disbelieve him. Plus he never liked it when Dale shared info with us in group chat. I'm sure he woul try to tell Phyllis it was just mad ramblings because in a normal reality that is what they would be.

I think we as a community have accepted several unspoken stipulations on things as well,
1.) Dale is not "crazy" at least not in a manner that requires full time medical supervision.
2.) Wes is a secretive person that doesn't want to share information.
3.) Don Marzano is dangerous (for whatever reasons you may have).

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