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Daemeus · Boot Joined: 01 Oct 2002 Posts: 35 Location: Florida

The company without a name

**Posted:** Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:16 pm

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kglick · Guest

sideways copyright

**Posted:** Fri Oct 11, 2002 12:49 am

ngajengai · Boot Joined: 29 Sep 2002 Posts: 29

Well... this is the list (though not in the exact order) of guesses I tried on that logo doing a google search:

Swiss soap logo, Swiss Omega logo, Swiss gun logo, Swiss airline logo, Swiss aircraft logo, Swiss logo, Swiss Bank logo, Swiss Ouroboros logo, Broken Ouroboros, Swiss Broken Ouroboros, Swiss Ouroboros, Swiss Oroboros (alt spelling), alpha and omega logo combined, alpha and omega symbols combined...

And came up completely empty after peaking at 4-6 URLs under each.

Someone at the Netscape Dialectic sight said it looked like a sight that sharpshooters use. I don't know if this person was alluding to the "Sharpshooters Fallacy" or not... as I stay as far away from guns as I possibly can. Exclamation

pjv

**Posted:** Fri Oct 11, 2002 5:08 am

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company without a name

**Posted:** Fri Oct 11, 2002 9:00 pm

Tien_Le

I got a kick out of the symbol being on soap. Watermark...soap...easily entertained.

**Posted:** Fri Oct 11, 2002 10:21 pm

imbri

here are a couple pictures of the symbol inverted (the originals came from azrahn's emporium: 11 and 12

For some reason pd.com isn't letting me upload anything...argh!

Brooke

**Posted:** Sat Oct 12, 2002 3:41 am

imbri

I'm not sure where all the talk of the alpha & omega is coming from. I don't see either in the symbol.

For those not familiar with greek letters, here's a site that shows them (both upper and lower case): http://www.mathacademy.com/pr/prime/articles/greek/index.asp

Brooke

**Posted:** Sat Oct 12, 2002 3:44 am

Dark Side Of The Moon

I agree Imbri, doesn't look too close to the Omega symbol, allthough if they "moderned" it up, I could make a loose connection I guess...if the symbol dudes are good and Watermark the evil bad guys, it makes me think of Christ saying "I am the Alpha and the Omega" or, of course, "the beginning and the end"...

I dunno...maybe...

**Posted:** Sat Oct 12, 2002 6:30 am

luvinpush

**Posted:** Sat Oct 12, 2002 11:28 am

Daemeus · Boot Joined: 01 Oct 2002 Posts: 35 Location: Florida

I agree with you guys, whoever thought of alpha has a strange way of looking at things. Omega is a possibility but I still feel there's more to it.

**Posted:** Sat Oct 12, 2002 1:08 pm

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ngajengai · Boot Joined: 29 Sep 2002 Posts: 29

Hi, all.

When I threw that stuff into a Google search...
I was just thinking how the "competition" to Watermark...
might want to be the "Be All and End All" of competitors.
You know, the First and the Last and Everything in between...
Sorta like God... Alpha and Omega?

I knew what the symbols for the letters looked like,
BUT...
I thought if somebody were to blend and stylize them,
they might come out looking like the competitors logo.
Of course, the Omega looked like it would lend itself better
to that type of manipulation than the Alpha...
Then it would be like the company was saying that THEY...
were the "dernier cri" or "Last Word" in...
....whatever it is that they and Watermark do.
Omega: Last.
See where I was going with this?

(And I'm not yelling or being sarcastic here:)

NONE OF THAT ALPHA-OMEGA STUFF REALLY MATTERS NOW:
I JUST HAD A V8 MOMENT:

OF COURSE, IT'S A COPYRIGHT SYMBOL!!!!!!
Duh! *smacks self in forehead*

I may not know what the Push "Watermark" company does exactly...
But I know that a Watermark is a method of protecting documents and
artwork, by marking them almost invisibly so they can be traced...
to their origins.

Okay, a copyright does something very similar...
tho' not exactly in the same way as a watermark.

The copyright depends on the honor system to protect such things.
And that doesn't work, the legal system...
Which is, unfortunately, a kind of a clunky, unwieldy arrangement.

Watermarking and steganography...
(the latter of which I know a lot more about...
courtesy only of a mention by Ozy ...and further research)
...do NOT depend on anything outside of their tags or marks...
which become ingrained in the written text or artwork as part of them!

So it would seem that the two are competing systems...
For each of which there are pros and cons I'm sure...
Even though watermarking and steganography are simpler and
more definitely reliable...
Until someone figures out how to counterfeit either of those methods...

Hmmmm...
Did I just circumlocute myself out of a good argument, there?!

In any case, I think a "watermark"'s competition might be stretched...
into the metaphorical world of surrealist TV to being the copyright.

Remember "the Hacker"'s assertion that "information wants to be free?"

Well, maybe, there you have it!

[BTW, don't you all like it better when I don't share quite so much?! Laughing

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Okay. That's it for this 5... or so... minutes.

In the meantime, keep gunning for it...
We'll solve this Push mystery eventually!

pjv

[You want I should go back to being a lurker? Wink

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PS Thank you, "kglick."

**Posted:** Sat Oct 12, 2002 5:41 pm

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mazurbeam · Greenhorn Joined: 12 Oct 2002 Posts: 9

We have all made the connection that DMVF refers to clue....
So has anyone tried to go to www.clue.com?
Look at the C on Clue on that site---Bingo. I tried to e-mail them-infoSPLATclue.com doesn't work, but used hostmasterSPLATclue.com and got an e-mail right after about the Euro dollar. Check out the Euro dollar symbol...C with two lines - very similar to the Co. logo....Not sure what the significance of all this is.

**Posted:** Sat Oct 12, 2002 11:38 pm

mazurbeam · Greenhorn Joined: 12 Oct 2002 Posts: 9

euro dollar

**Posted:** Sat Oct 12, 2002 11:54 pm

azrahn

it's an upside down smiley face....

**Posted:** Sun Oct 13, 2002 3:40 am

UpSideDown · Guest

Smiley

**Posted:** Sun Oct 13, 2002 1:28 pm