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Abraxas
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 		I'm still on the fence on if the emails to John Green caused the conversation between him and Claudia or if that would have happened, regardless. He mentions gamers, but it could easily be a bunch of people from outside UF doing the same thing. Let's not blame yourself for that, I guess.

zizka:
Thanks! Wink
I got the place by the coords given, just couldn't find the placemark. Not sure if GE needs to be updated manually, but I doubt it.


Some interesting details:

The place where Julian gets the implant is located next to the National Institutes of Health. It's not right in the middle, but rather in a separate building. Makes sense how you could get an implant there.

The file #8, corresponding to this, is labeled Feb 2 on the Quick Time, but Feb 1 underneath. Probably a slipup.

I don't quite understand what the connection between the theft and the acquiring of the gallery warehouse is all about. Is Julian posing as an arts seller?

I think it's nice how the OSPREY case numbers on the Collateral files pick up speed in 2007...there's a gap between 1266m and 65687d in just 4 months...
I guess OSPREY is very much up and running.

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 		Petal's map
Is actually quite useful. After I made mine, I had some questions about which of 2 coordiantes was OIS HQ and which was some other office. Also, I had assumed that the handwritten memo was from claudia. It's only those two pieces of info, which is a little diappointing, but we can;t very well expect him to lay it *all* out Razz

Collaterl File 7:
"He (Julian?) has stolen art from Belgium (expatica story); this should fund the "London Phase." CR found a gallery for "his" legit work—deal closed w/in 2 weeks. Big event in March. Critic from the Telegraph on the books. CR has arranged some high-profile buys of "his" collage work.

I think that he is posing as a gallery owner/srtist. I think the gallery is in Notting Hill, and I've taken steps to determine which critic is involved.

What's most interesting to me about the borders location is it's proximity to the club Jeff mentioned going to: 1223 at 1223 Connecticut Ave. It has a marker on Gearth. I take the club's location to mean that Jeff (and hence Allen) lived in the area.
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 		I think the point of the art theft file was just to let us know that Julian or whoever has funds to operate. The rest of it is just back story. I don't think knowing the location of the shop or who the critic was will help us move forward. This is just a prelude, after all.

That being said: in 2005, the Telegraph's art critic (OOG) was Richard Dorment. Nigel Reynolds is the arts correspondent.

Daily Telegraph 6/2005 wrote:
described by Richard Dorment, The Daily Telegraph's art critic


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 		mortality:
Yes, this is backstory. Still, this is what's making this intriguing, right now. And knowing the location of the gallery might figure into this at one point, if there are flashbacks to 2006 in the files. But probably won't happen, I agree.

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 		they seem to have a variety of art critics. I came across 2006 articles by many people called "telegraph art critic." But yeah, it's a back burner issue. No real articles are going to surface.

I burned a ton of time yesterday trying to find the Castle from which the art was stolen. I only got "kinda close."
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Abraxas wrote:
mortality:
Yes, this is backstory. Still, this is what's making this intriguing, right now. And knowing the location of the gallery might figure into this at one point, if there are flashbacks to 2006 in the files. But probably won't happen, I agree.


I think I poorly explained what I meant. The art thing is a cover and probably only has to do with funding. So on its own, it won't tell us what OSPREY/FRACTAL are about.

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mortality wrote:
Abraxas wrote:
mortality:
Yes, this is backstory. Still, this is what's making this intriguing, right now. And knowing the location of the gallery might figure into this at one point, if there are flashbacks to 2006 in the files. But probably won't happen, I agree.


I think I poorly explained what I meant. The art thing is a cover and probably only has to do with funding. So on its own, it won't tell us what OSPREY/FRACTAL are about.

No, I got that. It certainly won't. It's just a piece of setting. And still, it's something that could come back, because they left traces there.

Something else I forgot, earlier:
In file #9 John Green tells Claudia to use the "email address that vendor management has"...probably if we were to find out what address this is, we could impersonate Claudia at a later point (right now, we wouldn't have a clue what to tell him). That is, if he isn't able to trace it back and catch us in the act.
Just something I found stood out in that file.

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 		Pete's mail
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Peter Hutchens to me

germain10SPLATgmail.com

If you are really a friend of Allen's then you know you can trust me and you will send your story/information along with some sort of personal information about yourself to that address, even though you don't know who owns the address. It's a trust model. Not ideal, but if you are sufficiently close to Allen or even to one of Allen's friends then it will work.

I, in turn, am trusting you based on a couple things you have said. It is a less strong model for me, but I am willing to take that chance by giving you that person's e-mail address. He will decide, based on the nature of what you send, whether to pass it to Allen.

I would advise to send what you have to that address immediately. If you are legit, I think you know that this is important.


Please do NOT email him directly, he is very paranoid as you can see.
Waiting on Tpetal info before I mail him back..
Off to work see u in 8 hours =)

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 		Im here anyways.....
tpetal moved.
My best guesses:

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Brideshead
Castle Howard
York
Coneysthorpe
Brideshead Castle


Despite a few setbacks with a few people, I have decided to continue. I would like to say that if anyone continues to withhold information, they are making this less ideal for everyone else. We have no choice but to communicate in this forum, regardless of who is reading it. Otherwise, it would be like going to a movie, and only looking at the screen when the guy in the seat next to you says "it's okay to look". I am not here to see only half of the movie. If you are given information, it shall be shared with everyone.

And Perfidy..I was not asking for you to hold my hand and explain any part of this forum....I was concerned that that bit of information was NOT the whole story (and I continue to think that). I won't ask again. You decide. No, I will not keep this in private, as others have the right to know what you are up to.

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 		HIAS
New posting on freeweb

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http://www.freewebs.com/heavenisasecret/itemsinbrief.htm


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 		T.Petal Response
Below is Petal's response to me informing him about the new email address.

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I wish I had seen this earlier, just finished shutting down KMQ. and I've gotto run NOW. left instructions on the site for where I'm going. as for this new email Im hot right now and have to stay low. you guys go with it, just play it straight. I've never heard of germain. all my old e-mails are no good and I don't want to send e-mail traffic to you. find me at the new place. I think it's secure got to run.


Sebring, I guess this means you should go ahead and send some information over to the Germain email address.

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 		Re: T.Petal Response
Perfidy1942 wrote:

Sebring, I guess this means you should go ahead and send some information over to the Germain email address.


What to send? Links to the collateral files and a summary of what we know about the people involved?

As far as the security issue goes, a pass-protected wiki is an option.

Something else to consider:

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Given how literary references have been used earlier (e.g. Purloined Letter =>clues hidden in plain sight), we should make note of tpetal using Brideshead Revisited as a clue to his location. A large component of that book's narrative is the fact that only one person is telling the tale. Having only one narrator begs the question of "how trustworthy is the narrator?" It also raises the issue of bias.

At some point we're going to have to decide between helping John Green or TPetal. While it seems obvious that we should help tpetal now, things might not be so clear cut later, when we know what OSPREY and FRACTAL are.


Coffeebean, are those the only locations in the book?

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 		Blogspot
While reading blogspot I noticed some interesting things like the word "com pletely". Right before it is Library; thing.

I did a search for flyte at librarything.com and came up with http://www.librarything.com/profile/julia_flyte who just so happens to have Brideshead on her list of books. Coincidence or is she just a HUGE brideshead fan?

Just brainstorming here Cool

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 		Ok, what's up with the new entry at Heaven Is A Secret?
Subtle status report?
If you read the production diary of Overwatch, a person with the name Brenda has complained about the current situation.


Coffeebean:
I'm not sure what happened in private conversation between the two of you, but all I saw was Perfidy apologizing and posting the rest of the mail. He/she simply made a mistake and promised to share everything from now on.

But now it's my turn to complain. Because you don't give a link to the latest entry while starting to talk about locations.
I can't see "Brideshead revisited". Now, I know how you got there, but it's not obvious, at all. Any new information which involves solves you can put in spoilers. But not explaining them at all is withholding information, too.

No worries, we all make mistakes. Wink
Let's not read lack of good will into that.



About the new message from t.petal:

[sorry for duplicating the information, but I didn't see a warning of new posts when I clicked the preview...I haven't posted here in quite some time and it seems now I suck at it...]
I find, this stands out
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Specifically, at their library; thing com pletely renovated[..]

Looks like it's suggesting a website.

I googled for "charles ryder library" and "sebastian flyte library" and the Everyman's Library comes up.
But that seems a little random. The clue sounds more like we need to find "their place" and "their library" from the book.

Another possible clue:
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[..]and search for my friends and/or their fathers.

Alexander Waugh - grandson of Evelyn Waugh, who wrote Brideshead Revisited - recently wrote Fathers and Sons, according to the Wikipedia entry.

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 		christchurch college is where charlie was a student at Oxford. From what I've gathered from the wiki article, Flyte's college is unnamed, but assumed to be based on either Hertford College or St Edmund Hall (StEH is assumed based on details in the TV series). Not sure that any of thos os relevant.

Not sure what's up at Heaven Is A Secret, but it seems we need to get somethign done "by the 17th." ORV and TMO have no special easily searchable realtionship to Chennai (formerly Madras).
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