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cissmiace
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Re: I am going back...
to my original hypothesis...

ncfriend wrote:

Higgins is the only one that's NOT numbered at the meetup site.


I wondered if that was because he created the group and therefore it couldnt be changed, if that made sense.

Great theorys!

I just have to wonder why they would invite the prof to their party, seems like a weird thing to do. Also do you mean that the prof was her blind date?
Something doesnt sit right with me about that for some reason =\
And the fact we saw every single one of them killed, but we never saw Micheal die, we never even saw his face! And Im wondering if the second person in the prof killing video was Michael?

However if the numbers on the yahoo groups site are in fact a birthdate, then your right, it would fit the professor, but I dont know. I think I'll go back through all the videos later on and see if I missed anything.
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Lovecraft2514
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There's no evidence to back this up, but it could be Michael killing them. We never saw him die, and the body that we presumed to be his we never saw the face on it in the video.

By the way that email that cissmiance posted was from me, I don't know why he replied on the yahoo page and didn't email me back though.

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ncfriend
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There's a pic of Michael at the bottom of his blog, but you're right... we never saw Michael die, like we did the others. To tell you the truth, I thought it was Josh when we first found Josh's video... at that point we had only found Samantha's and i just thought oh, this is how that body that was getting boiled actually died.

I also replied to the latest yahoo group mail that we got. I said in it that I think he is Sam Higgins... no reply, private or though the group.

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cissmiace
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I also emailed them back the other night asking if he was Micheal Very Happy
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Lovecraft2514
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I too just emailed them, asking, among other things, if he was Michael. If they post a reply on the yahoo group page will someone please post it on here, because they posted the response to my last email on there and I'm not even in the group.

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Sure thing!
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yahoogroup

the moderator of the yahoo group approved my post to the group so it got published yesterday. But there was no response.

Quote:
I'm going to "resurect" pardon the pun, my older theory. Prof. Higgins is
a filmmaker and staged and filmed is own [edited to clarifiy: MOCK] death.
I believe you are Professor Higgins.


either he thought the solve was so ridiculious it deserved no response, or he is still trying to think of a good way to tell me to sit down and shut up. LOL

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cissmiace
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I've not heard anything either Sad Has anyone else?
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napobrassica
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Okay, I am a former lurker that has decided to emerge after following this thread and witnessing Ten Dead. I am very new to ARGs.

I agree that this has been a very fun little ARG and I wish I had chosen this thread to read first as opposed to BristelGoodman.

I have not figured out who the murder is yet (plan on going back through all of my bookmarks and seeing if I missed anything), but I love the idea of it being Higgins. That is very And Then There Were None.

The thing that puzzles me most at the moment is that the "killer" from the Higgins video looks like the guy in the pictures on James Pinkwater's myspace. But James Pinkwater on the Society Members page is different. That will probably end up being nothing but it was in my head.

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ncfriend
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Been out of town since Wednesday
and still no news?

No replies, no strange videos, no leads or other rabbit holes?

wow.. i hope this one doesnt fizzle out.. it started so strong and was so well thought out and alot of work obviously went into this... i'd hate to for it to fizzle...

The next "Le Prince" meeting is tomorrow.... maybe some news then...

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another yahoogroup message
look out he's cranky..

from the yahoogroup moderator:

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photos and information are hard to come by... but one may lead to
another... and frankly, i am getting impatient... you think i invite
anyone to join this group!? i thought you all had talent... it
obviously only blessed me!


Havent been able to arg much this past week, so I havent reviewed the sites to see if anything new has been added or if we've missed anything. Anyone still into finishing this one up? I'd love to but it will be another week before I'm "FREE" again.

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ETA: here's the new photo he might be referring to: http://uk.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Tendead/photos/view/72ef?b=1
it was posted on June 19th though. so it may not be "new".

the name of the file is 5d2d.jpg

he writes in the description:
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james
this is james. why would he film himself? no, why would he upload the video? unless... he didn't.
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Perko
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Hello gang, I just started this thing yesterday, and am still trying to absorb it all. Judging by the last yahoogroup message, this thing is not quite over yet, and you've all missed something important somewhere. I wish I could say I know where, but it's all rather confusing. Since any one or more of the videos could theoretically easily be faked by the person being "killed" (afterall, they're fake IRL, at least I hope so!), one can argue that the killer could be anyone of the supposedly dead people, too. But I'm not really seeing a motive or purpose to the whole thing right now.

A few questions:
1) At face value, it would seem that the killer ought to be either James, Samuel, or Michael, they stand out among the film club members. All have been suggested here, but James is presumably not the one. Have the PMs officially rejected Samuel or Michael at this point?

2) Can someone explain to me how to find Jessica's murder video? I don't see anything at her myspace site, no links anywhere, and no videos attached. I'm wondering if it's been recently deleted or something?

3) How are folks getting an invite into the TenDead yahoo group? It shows only 8 members. By sending mail to the address at the end of the prof murder? Will any mail do, or would I have to pass some sort of test of merit? I take it we think the PMs are moderating it?

One thing I find strange/suspicious is that Michael supposedly joined the Le Prince club on June 16th, much later than anyone else. The "chef" video was first reported here on the 15th, and it was added to YouTube on the 11th. So it seems clear that something is amiss here. I thought initially that maybe a player joined the club and used Michael's picture as his own. But since Michael wasn't already on the list, and the PMs presumably renumbered the names at some point and included him as #1, then I have to presume the member is in-game. In which case the guy in the chef video isn't Michael... Maybe it's James? The video points directly to Michael's blog, which is why we think it's him. But I think in every other case the blogs/webspaces point TO the video, not the other way around. You can argue that this is simply an exception due to it being the rabbithole, of course. Or it could all be a production mistake, that Michael was initially accidentally omitted from meetup for some reason.

I think we have to assume that people whose faces we've seen being killed really are being killed, otherwise to whole thing kind of falls apart. So the prof is presumably dead. That leaves Michael and James, one of whom is presumably the body in the kitchen.

If Michael was the killer, it would make sense that he made it look like he's dead by adding himself to the film group (at a later date) and renumbering himself as one of the victims, while leaving James apparently alive and arranging things to make him look like the bad guy.

Since two people are seen in the Prof killing, if that's not a production mistake (and I think it is), another theory would be Michael and James are working together, at least at that time.

Another possibility is that the killer is one of the other 10 or so people that most of these guys have as friends on their myspace (i.e. Terry, Rob, etc.) although I haven't spend much time looking them over and I assume most of you haven't either since we focused on the club members.
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drinkmonsters
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I don't see why the second person in Higgin's video is being thrown out as a flaw. When there is a close up of the drill at the very end... ("NOOOOOOO!!!! *silence*) we also see the left hand of the person who jumps out of the shadows. If you look closely, at 0:58, you can see long brown hair out of the face of the hooded figure. (I can't screenshot, but maybe someone else could)

Since this person was with Pinkwater, I checked out his myspace and found in 3 of his photos, there is a girl with long brown hair not identified any other way, and in one of these she's wearing a hoodie (not that hoodies make killers, but if you wear a hoody, you're a suspect.)

Again, this could be Higgin's doing his own Noir project, and maybe he isn't dead, since he doesn't have a number for a name on the meetup site. I agree it could be Michael who we see in the first video, but I think this second person has a role to play that we aren't granting him/her.

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Perko
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cissmiace wrote:
Guys I got a reply from the email adress!

I have been invited to join a yahoo group, with the following message:

Quote:
seyton7SPLATyahoo.com has invited you to join the Tendead group!

Your logic is well thought out, except for one small detail... I am not James Pinkwater.


Ooooh so its not James!!

My origional email is as follows:

Quote:
Hello,

A few of us have seen your videos, and we have reached a somewhat brief conclusion for your actions.

You are James

You are killing the people who attended the last Le Prince Society, due to a argument - perhaps - that occured there, and you were no longer welcome to continue talking about television, as stated in the meet up page

You are killing people by the method of your favorite television shows.

Can you confirm or deny any of this? And why are you releasing your videos of the killings to the public? What do you hope to gain?

Thank you


The Yahoo group tells us a bit more of the story when you join. I have spoilered this for obvious reasons:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Professor Samuel Higgins had chosen to keep in touch with some of his most prized pupils and invited them to occasionally meet under the harmless guise of a small film discussion group called, The Le Prince Society. It was here that these prized students would come to catch up with the professor, discuss any current issues in their lives and ultimately speak of the passion that unified them all; film.

By any standards, meeting up with alumni to sit and chat is quite harmless.
The school's take on the situation however, was that Mr. Higgin's had been inviting certain students who he had a passing fancy for and in turn forced them into committing lewd and lascivious acts at what the school officially dubbed, 'clandestine gatherings'. In fact the gatherings themselves were quite publicly accessible on the web and were open to almost anyone with a similar vested interest. The term 'vested interest' is especially of note for if the group as a whole determined that one or more of its members did not have an adequate knowledge base for their weekly discussion, they would politely exclude them from further participation.

Whilst this sort of banishment may seem a bit harsh if not outright snobbish, you must understand that Professor Higgens' passion for the subject of film made him a superlative instructor, but consequently also greatly diminished his toleration for ignorance. Now, had it not been for the apparent semi-exclusion of one James Pinkwater, a former student of Prof. Higgins, he would very likely still be alive, as would the rest of the group.

James was more than a vibrant contributor to many of the clubs heady discussions each week. It was however, when James proposed the group spend a week discussing and watching some television shows as a change of pace, that everything changed. Arguments ensued, and James, being banished from the group, began to plot his revenge.

I was also a member, and this is my story.


Reading those last couple of paragraphs over, it seems to me to be saying that James Pinkwater *is* the killer, but he is not 862700, the person who is presumably posting the various videos, answering the mail @ 862700.mail.com and who is moderating the yahoo group. I think that's our main source of confusion - we've all been assuming the killer is the person communicating with us. When 862700 says "I am not James Pinkwater" it doesn't mean we're wrong about who did the killing!

So the thing that remains to be done is identifying this other person, and explaining why James was so eager to get his face into the video of the Professor's murder. Also, what has happened to James? Did 862700 kill him in turn (if that's James' body in the chef video, perhaps it's 862700 cooking him, as a form of justice?).

Seems to me that 862700 must be either Michael or Higgins if we assume he is registered in the Meetup group. Michael is the simpler solution. We've never seen him get killed. He joined the meetup group after most of the murders had been committed.

My Theory: Michael somehow found out about the murders, avoided getting killed himself, caught James, captured James' collection of snuff videos, posted them on the net, and avenged his friends by killing James in the same fashion. And that's James in his Chef video. I'm sure there's still some holes in this, but I think it mostly explains what the PMs have been trying to tell us through those last few weird clues.

I think the various #s we've been given, including 862700 itself, may be pieces of URLs hiding a missing piece of the story in a blog or video somewhere...
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Perko wrote:
1) At face value, it would seem that the killer ought to be either James, Samuel, or Michael, they stand out among the film club members. All have been suggested here, but James is presumably not the one. Have the PMs officially rejected Samuel or Michael at this point?


well, as others have said.. the pm has definitely said he was not James. I have made a supposition on both this forum and the yahoogroup with the PM names as Samuel. No response has been forthwith.

(and that being a source of frustration, that if we are to the point of concluding this exercise, why isnt there more communication from 'him')

Perko wrote:

2) Can someone explain to me how to find Jessica's murder video? I don't see anything at her myspace site, no links anywhere, and no videos attached. I'm wondering if it's been recently deleted or something?


I rechecked.. its been deleted... also her pictures have been too. I wouldnt have remembered that except one friend makes a comment that she is alone in all of her pictures.. i made a point of looking at them back at the beginning of the game, and they were all portraits. not there now.


Perko wrote:

3) How are folks getting an invite into the TenDead yahoo group? It shows only 8 members. By sending mail to the address at the end of the prof murder? Will any mail do, or would I have to pass some sort of test of merit? I take it we think the PMs are moderating it?


I was invited after I emailed the email address found inside the Samuel Higgins video. My email went something like:
"Hi Killer!! Seen any good television shows lately?" and I got back "Well done, but who am i?" (not exact quotes)

Perko wrote:

That leaves Michael and James, one of whom is presumably the body in the kitchen.


that body in the kitchen is way too small to be James.. James is pretty big... if we're going by logistical and not representational data.

Perko wrote:

Another possibility is that the killer is one of the other 10 or so people that most of these guys have as friends on their myspace (i.e. Terry, Rob, etc.) although I haven't spend much time looking them over and I assume most of you haven't either since we focused on the club members.


I also made a supposition about Jimmy the Rugby player ---Strike Two... (i guess one more and i'm out.... lol). I did get a definite "no, i am not jimmy the rugby player" answer from the yahoogroup moderator.

which definitely leads to the question you asked.. is the yahoogroup moderator the pm. is the yahoogroup moderator the killer or the one who is exposing the killer. So far, the pm and/or the yahoogroup moderator (Seyton7) [any clues from the name???] has not revealed the answer to that (imho).

drinkmonsters wrote:

Again, this could be Higgin's doing his own Noir project, and maybe he isn't dead, since he doesn't have a number for a name on the meetup site.


this was my theory also, when i wrote the yahoogroup, it was posted but there was no response. also note... Samuel Higgins is the only one that RSVPd for the meeting that was held on the 25th.

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ETA:
The Sam's Bebo vids have also been taken down.

Of all the other "friends" not listed in the meetup group,: Jimmy, Riff, Terry, Rob, Joanna, Aliza, kelly, Sally and Jenny: the last one to log in to myspace was Terry on 6/15.. not sure if that means anything or not.. but i thought it was interesting.. given his penchant for the tv show 24.

I still think these numbers mean something we havent figured out yet:
862700
and
101551

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