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[UPDATE] 06.18 - New AdjutantReflex post, "That Old Life"
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Jordan117
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Re: good point

Grifter_7 wrote:
silent13 wrote:

(i type as i think, so lay off will yah!)


Nothing wrong with stream of thought. I do the same thing. Just go back when you're done, and add in a few periods so that we know when to take a breathe.


Don't you mean, "know when to take a breath"? Razz

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Where is HHM with her rapier wit?

Apologies for being off-topic. But, a little humor does always go a long way.
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Re: good point

psygene wrote:
Where is HHM with her rapier wit?


All I read when I saw that was "rapist wit"... sorry, just recently watched Dumb & Dumber again Laughing

Grifter_7 wrote:
silent13 wrote:

(i type as i think, so lay off will yah!)

Nothing wrong with stream of thought. I do the same thing. Just go back when you're done, and add in a few periods so that we know when to take a breathe. Smile You're doing great silent! Keep up the great ideas.

Ok now that the inner grammar naziing has been released and dealt with, we can all move on, back on topic Wink
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OwduaNM wrote:
thebruce wrote:
based on the points raised, and 'millennia', I'm figuring it's the gravemind... he's been around this long too - he's flood, and the ark was built because of the flood... he's had millennia to grow and learn, and if he is somehow connected into at least one Halo, then he may very well have a connection in to the Ark, trying to get past AR. Of course, this gravemind in our time has no idea about what's happened in 2552, unless somehow his existence spans spcae/time, which I doubt


I believe that Gravemind does transcend space and time. In the trailer, you hear (supposedly) Cortana saying some things, in which she makes references to the future (I know your past, I know your future....this is how the world ends). I also believe that during some cutscenes in Halo 2 itself some of what gravemind says leads one to believe that he transcends time.



Sorry that I'm not using direct evidence.


Don't forget the fact that he seems to be able to teleport Chief and Arbiter around at will Wink

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Re: good point

thebruce wrote:
psygene wrote:
Where is HHM with her rapier wit?


All I read when I saw that was "rapist wit"... sorry, just recently watched Dumb & Dumber again Laughing

Grifter_7 wrote:
silent13 wrote:

(i type as i think, so lay off will yah!)

Nothing wrong with stream of thought. I do the same thing. Just go back when you're done, and add in a few periods so that we know when to take a breathe. Smile You're doing great silent! Keep up the great ideas.

Ok now that the inner grammar naziing has been released and dealt with, we can all move on, back on topic Wink


Me and my rapist wit are sitting over here eating popcorn and watching the show. Very Happy

While I agree Grifter could have better worded his expression that he was having difficulty following the point, I also have to agree that a block of text with little or no use of grammar is difficult to read and follow.

I admit that I skipped it over entirely after scanning it for buzz-words to make sure it was on topic.

I also type as I think, but I know that not everybody thinks the same as me.

And now I would like to gently nudge this thread back onto the subject of the Adjutant Reflex posts on Bungie.net.

At this point, I must also admit that I haven't finished the Story Mode in Halo 2, so my understanding of some things are... not good. (As Zim would say.)

I like the idea of the Gravemind transcending time and space because it falls in nicely with my Terry Pratchett inspired idea that memory is an ocean rather then a river.

That is, when one taps into the memory of all who have gone before you, you can also access those who will tap into the memory of all who have gone before them in the future. And thus, glimpses of the future can be gained.
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I had a thought pop into my head not too long ago as I lay in bed.

The nature of the riddle posed by AR keeps making me think of a mirror. that has been discussed before here. but thinking further along those lines made me ponder the riddle more. if one looks into a mirror what do they see. Themselves. So in regards to the riddle, I PMed AR the words he sees himself.

What poped into my head this morning was more of a clarification of the above thought and how it applies to AR.

I know believe AR to be a subroutine of the larger construct. Sort of like the SPDR was a subroutine of Melissa. He was specifically placed to monitor the world until some cycle or event takes place while the larger construct hibernates. now that cycle or event has come or will arrive shortly

I also believe that the AR subroutine has gone beyond it's function, gaining more consciousness over the period of monitoring it's surroundings(us). This may have lead to AR's description of the larger routine as something wicked. It doesn't want to end it's interaction with us. Thus the hiding in some place small, it will compress itself and try to remain inconspicous as the larger construct awakens.

Now whether or not this is cortana or not is still in question. I don't see any solid evidence yet that this is the case, so for myself I will treat AR and the larger construct not as gravemind or cortana, but as a completely new individual within the Halo universe.
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Re: good point

HitsHerMark wrote:
At this point, I must also admit that I haven't finished the Story Mode in Halo 2, so my understanding of some things are... not good. (As Zim would say.)

I like the idea of the Gravemind transcending time and space because it falls in nicely with my Terry Pratchett inspired idea that memory is an ocean rather then a river.

That is, when one taps into the memory of all who have gone before you, you can also access those who will tap into the memory of all who have gone before them in the future. And thus, glimpses of the future can be gained.


Tons of great Gravemind discussion here: http://halosm.bungie.org/story/gravemind.html.

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quickie note on the gravemind teleportation. The gravemind is tapped into the halo and a bunch of its system which allows it to use the teleportation system of the halo for that little bit of lightshow in the game, if i remember correctly Cortana managed to do the same thing in the first halo game.

One thing that i would not agree on is that the gravemind has any kind of foresight into the future that is not provided through its experiences and memories hehe. Halo3.com in character description states that it posses genetic memory of the flood so i guess that make sense. My real concern though is that is this gavemind the same one from 100000 years ago? Halos are a rather indirect weapon against the flood so i am not certain if the gravemind from that time was wiped out or not

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Lostconfused wrote:
My real concern though is that is this gavemind the same one from 100000 years ago? Halos are a rather indirect weapon against the flood so i am not certain if the gravemind from that time was wiped out or not


An interesting thought, but look at it this way: does it matter? If the Gravemind is indeed able to access genetic memory of all those it has assimilated, it stands to reason that no matter the physical form it occupies, it is essentially the same being.

It may be missing small pieces here and there, but the puzzle is complete enough to glean the picture.

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Urk wrote:

An interesting thought, but look at it this way: does it matter? If the Gravemind is indeed able to access genetic memory of all those it has assimilated, it stands to reason that no matter the physical form it occupies, it is essentially the same being.

It may be missing small pieces here and there, but the puzzle is complete enough to glean the picture.


Hmmm thinking about it, the gravemind is a complex enough organism that a halo would kill it. The only reason i ask this is because how the hell did the flood managed to spread so much across the delta halo for a gravemind flood form to come into existence, that question was bugging me for a while. The flood on the first halo were completely contained, the flood on the delta halo are completely free to infect and do whatever they want. There has to be a reason for that, maybe its just there for the storyline reason but that question was bugging me for a while, along with cortana lying to us at the end of halo 2.


edit: I really seem to be interested in breaking peoples theories dont I?

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Speculation

I think it may be a leap to assume that the new entity is Gravemind. It seems plausible that he is pulling some strings, but until we get hard and fast data, we can make no assumption.

That said, here is another piece of "evidence" to contribute to the speculation that he is involved. During a track on Halo 2 there is an audio clip embedded in the background. When reversed, speech forms. It is widely believed to be Gravemind, though the text is not entirely accurate, per Marty O'Donnell. Even so, it bares similarities to some of the communications with AR and this new "being."

Quote:
...I have walked among men and angels for three thousand years. Time has no end... no beginning... no purpose.

I wander the earth, seeking forgiveness for my horrible crimes against God and man.

I live to see death, destruction, over the light, but the light cannot be extinguished.

I live in a prison of my own demise.

I am lost in time...


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I just think that people give gravemind too much credit and tend to forget that "aaaaaahhhh its flood its going to kill us all and eat our corpses aaaah. (screams of horror and pain)"

He has been around for a long time, he probably knows more about the events of the past then any forerunner AI that we have seen. Although each was equally vague in telling us what the heck happened. Its just that i cant help but doubt that the gravemind can freely travel/communicate through out the universe without going off and infecting half the galaxy.


Edit: Also on that message during the mausoleum track. Is gravemind the only one that is allowed to do lyrical introspective mussing with a somewhat nihilistic bent in the halo universe.

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Well, if it is not Gravemind, what other characters have lived long enough to fit the description AR gave and fit into the persona of that musing?
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One thing that keeps coming to me when AR talks about the other only seeing a reflection, is this from chapter 1 of ILB:

"But, I'm reflected. I can't look at myself, I bounce away."

(sorry if this is trout)
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Well, if it is not Gravemind, what other characters have lived long enough to fit the description AR gave and fit into the persona of that musing?

Other monitors. They've had over a hundred millennia to reflect, and they see everything in terms of Protocols.

-- Steve also won't rule out that this is something yet unseen... he's hoping that the poem snippet quoted above comes into play, in part to turn the formidable power of the ARG community to finally cracking its' meaning!
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