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MjolnirMkII
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How would the Gravemind access any of our human networks from as far away as a halo installation though?
If AR is on the Ark, then he is here on earth and the signal he uses makes more sense. But an intergalactic transmission from a halo installation to our petty human internet without use of something else to receive the signal here on earth seems farfetched. Plus, an AI I would think is more adept to keeping out a physical being on a computer network.

Plus, if AR is sending out his transmission to something not on earth, it is taking a far longer time to reach its destination then the proposed connection to the Ark and internet that the Gravemind would need to pose a threat to AR. (dial-up versus fiber-optic connections Laughing )

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Maybe, because there is time travel going on, it is the gravemind + cortana combo
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tsondie21 wrote:
Maybe, because there is time travel going on, it is the gravemind + cortana combo


Compound Artificial Intelligence?

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MjolnirMkII wrote:
How would the Gravemind access any of our human networks from as far away as a halo installation though?
If AR is on the Ark, then he is here on earth and the signal he uses makes more sense. But an intergalactic transmission from a halo installation to our petty human internet without use of something else to receive the signal here on earth seems farfetched. Plus, an AI I would think is more adept to keeping out a physical being on a computer network.


technically gravemind isn't accessing our networks, he's accessing AR's. AR is the one who's informing us via our network.
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I agree it kind of sounds like the Gravemind. But wasn't he physically on the other Halo? He didn't really seem to be able to influence anything outside of where he was, except by controlling the Flood. How would he be in the Ark, on Earth? And why would he be asleep and just awakening or coming now?

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thebruce wrote:
Of course, this gravemind in our time has no idea about what's happened in 2552, unless somehow his existence spans spcae/time, which I doubt


Don't be so quick to discount the notion.

Gravemind wrote:
There is much talk... and I have listened through rock and metal and time... Now I shall talk and you shall listen...


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thebruce wrote:
based on the points raised, and 'millennia', I'm figuring it's the gravemind... he's been around this long too - he's flood, and the ark was built because of the flood... he's had millennia to grow and learn, and if he is somehow connected into at least one Halo, then he may very well have a connection in to the Ark, trying to get past AR. Of course, this gravemind in our time has no idea about what's happened in 2552, unless somehow his existence spans spcae/time, which I doubt


I believe that Gravemind does transcend space and time. In the trailer, you hear (supposedly) Cortana saying some things, in which she makes references to the future (I know your past, I know your future....this is how the world ends). I also believe that during some cutscenes in Halo 2 itself some of what gravemind says leads one to believe that he transcends time.



Sorry that I'm not using direct evidence.

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Alright. Forerunner connections to and from earth allow for bandwidth.

Then I still think that Gravemind needs Cortana to pose any threat to AR. AR is an AI on his own forerunner circuitry, its like is body, and Gravemind is a physical being maybe using the forerunner computers on a halo installation. An AI would beat a person or physical being on a computer network every time. But Cortana (being the most sophisticated AI ever conceived by humans - according to the Halo novels) would probably be able to pose a good fight against a Forerunner AI.
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also good points... forgot the references to spanning space and time. So if you consider that Gravemind and Cortana have 'connected' in 2552, who's to say that the pair can't communicate now through time and connect with the Ark's system, thus AR? Interesting...
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"He plays with time even as he hides in its folds."

He "plays with time"? He "hides in [the] folds" of time?

Time travel, anyone? Or at least some sort of time warp? It's happened before...

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Time travel is a tricky subject, as it can pose a variety of problems in a plot. But time travel has been seen before, just look at the Marathon series. Or even Red Vs. Blue. Laughing
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MjolnirMkII wrote:
Time travel is a tricky subject, as it can pose a variety of problems in a plot. But time travel has been seen before, just look at the Marathon series. Or even Red Vs. Blue. Laughing

Even closer to home than that. Didn't the AI's from ILB fall through some sort of time warp into our era? There were also mentions of time travel in the Halo novels. I also have a pet theory regarding TT and Halo 3's ending, but that's hardly canon...

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Gravemind has been described as having access to the "genetic memory" of all the sentient beings the Flood have consumed, so in that sense, he is able to "exist" in multiple time spaces.

Cool

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This is all fascinating and makes complete sense, but what is the answer to ARs riddle? And how do we communicate it to him? (I'm guessing PM which I have already tried)

Is it a riddle?

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Foz wrote:
This is all fascinating and makes complete sense, but what is the answer to ARs riddle? And how do we communicate it to him? (I'm guessing PM which I have already tried)

Is it a riddle?


It's an ARG.

Everything is a riddle. Cool

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