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Anton P. Nym wrote:
People ask which meaning of "Ark" is intended, Noachian or Covenant? I'm thinking both apply and are apt.


I agree.

On one hand, you have supposed coordinates pointing to "The Cradle of Life". With nearby Ngorongo Crater that looks very similar to the crater in the Halo 3 Announcement Trailer. The crater also happens to: "[play] host to almost every individual species of wildlife in East Africa, and there are an estimated 25,000 animals within the crater."

On the other hand, it's kinda difficult to watch the announcement trailer and not think of the thing as some kind of weapon.

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Anton P. Nym wrote:
-- Steve's hatched out several theories on why the Covenant's component species are still around... his favourite so far is that they had Arks too, but they've become compromised since the foundation of the Covenant.


Why references to "the Ark" then and the "the Arks"? Seems an important distinction.

But you're theory leads me on a new train of thought (well, not all that new, I'm afraid). Perhaps the ark is merely the method of conveyance. All species could be gathered and whisked to cosmic safety while the rest of the universe is cleansed. Once the process was complete, each species could then be returned and spread, or seeded, throughout the galaxy, possibly as a method to ensure survival. A single planetary abode would be quite vulnerable. A single event could end all life.

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 		There is one part about the activation of the Halos that does not make sense to me.

The Halos kill all sentient life in the galaxy, and by doing so will eliminate the Flood in-directly, as they will no longer have a food source/respawning mechanism.

However, if the Ark is to preserve life, doesn't that contradict the function of the Halos? (Yes of course, this is what we all believe)
If the life forms inside the Ark survive, then the Flood still have a food source.
If the Flood are in close proximity of the Ark, then the the people/life forms inside the Ark must remain there until the Flood all die off. Do we have any idea how long that would take? It's been 100,000 years since they were last fired, yet the Flood still survived. It is apparent that the Forerunner's plan did not work.

Perhaps this scenario is the exact reason that the Forerunners are no longer around. They exited the Ark, and returned to the Halos before the Flood were fully killed off.
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 		I'm thinking that what the Halo universe has been witnessing all along is an attempt at fixing a flawed plan in the first place.
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Anton P. Nym wrote:

-- Steve's hatched out several theories on why the Covenant's component species are still around... his favourite so far is that they had Arks too, but they've become compromised since the foundation of the Covenant.

Or just one Ark, that went from planet to planet, re-seeding them with the appropriate DNA, and its final resting place was Earth.

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camshaft wrote:

Or just one Ark, that went from planet to planet, re-seeding them with the appropriate DNA, and its final resting place was Earth.


Except the Halo 3 comic apparently shows it being built on Earth.

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Phyltre wrote:
camshaft wrote:

Or just one Ark, that went from planet to planet, re-seeding them with the appropriate DNA, and its final resting place was Earth.


Except the Halo 3 comic apparently shows it being built on Earth.


It shows something being built. I don't want to play the Devil's Advocate here, but we don't know for certain that was the Ark.

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Phyltre wrote:
camshaft wrote:

Or just one Ark, that went from planet to planet, re-seeding them with the appropriate DNA, and its final resting place was Earth.


Except the Halo 3 comic apparently shows it being built on Earth.

You're right, it does seem to suggest that. If the Ark hasn't moved, and it seems unlikely there is more than one, that would suggest the other covenant species merely evolved on their own, from the "non-sentient" life remaining after the Halos fired.

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Grifter_7 wrote:
The Halos kill all sentient life in the galaxy, and by doing so will eliminate the Flood in-directly, as they will no longer have a food source/respawning mechanism.

However, if the Ark is to preserve life, doesn't that contradict the function of the Halos? (Yes of course, this is what we all believe)
If the life forms inside the Ark survive, then the Flood still have a food source.

You realize you answered your own question before you asked it Razz... you know that the flood wouldn't be alive by the time those in the Ark were released/reseeded, so there is no flood to have a food source.

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If the Flood are in close proximity of the Ark, then the the people/life forms inside the Ark must remain there until the Flood all die off. Do we have any idea how long that would take? It's been 100,000 years since they were last fired

1. I asked the same question above Smile (40 days? ...28 days? =P)
2. You do know the Halo history right? In Halo one we learn that some flood entities were preserved in stasis on the Halo, and were released again. That implies that the flood did die off successfully, as they were intended to, but the small amount of preserved flood (likely) intended for research, were inadvertently re-released. So technically the Halos were successful. But a mistake in our time rendered the process moot, because the flood are loose again.
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thebruce wrote:
That implies that the flood did die off successfully, as they were intended to, but the small amount of preserved flood (likely) intended for research, were inadvertently re-released.


This leads to a number of questions. Research by whom? For what purpose? And doesn't such an action render the entire Halo system of eradication useless.

Why go to all the trouble of building an array that will wipe out all life in an effort to obliterate a near unstoppable enemy if, in the end, you also provide that enemy with a method of regeneration?

It's a bit like digging a wart out with a knife, but leaving the root intact. It's going to grow back given the right conditions.

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Urk wrote:
This leads to a number of questions. Research by whom? For what purpose? And doesn't such an action render the entire Halo system of eradication useless.

Why go to all the trouble of building an array that will wipe out all life in an effort to obliterate a near unstoppable enemy if, in the end, you also provide that enemy with a method of regeneration?

It's a bit like digging a wart out with a knife, but leaving the root intact. It's going to grow back given the right conditions.


As noted before, they keep a few for research and preservation, in the unlikely event that there are some in the galaxy that the Halos miss and the Flood returns from deep space at some point to cause trouble again. If in dozens of millennia, the Flood showed up and the Covenant had no rememberance of the last time, no notes on it, and maybe a child's tale about it, they'd stand a far worse chance of surviving the new invasion. So the (flawed) thinking is to keep some as historical reference.
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Urk wrote:
thebruce wrote:
That implies that the flood did die off successfully, as they were intended to, but the small amount of preserved flood (likely) intended for research, were inadvertently re-released.


This leads to a number of questions. Research by whom? For what purpose? And doesn't such an action render the entire Halo system of eradication useless.

Why go to all the trouble of building an array that will wipe out all life in an effort to obliterate a near unstoppable enemy if, in the end, you also provide that enemy with a method of regeneration?

It's a bit like digging a wart out with a knife, but leaving the root intact. It's going to grow back given the right conditions.


Well, that all would be consistent with the spec that AR was wiped out by a forerunner AI, who perhaps saw the problems in the forerunner plan outlined above, and decided to wipe out the forerunners along with the flood by betraying them -- you know, "for the good of the universe." That would be a "sin" worthy of the "out dammned spot" MacBeth reference.

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Urk wrote:
thebruce wrote:
That implies that the flood did die off successfully, as they were intended to, but the small amount of preserved flood (likely) intended for research, were inadvertently re-released.


This leads to a number of questions. Research by whom? For what purpose? And doesn't such an action render the entire Halo system of eradication useless. Why go to all the trouble of building an array that will wipe out all life in an effort to obliterate a near unstoppable enemy if, in the end, you also provide that enemy with a method of regeneration?

It's a bit like digging a wart out with a knife, but leaving the root intact. It's going to grow back given the right conditions.


Yes, it would. Never underestimate the stupidity of a highly intelligent and curious mind.

On the other hand, the Flood had to come from somewhere.

If the Forerunners created the Flood, it was because they were trying to accomplish something and thus wanted to learn from their mistake. If the Flood came from elsewhere they would want to learn as much as possible in the eventuality that a new wave came in from where ever it had come from in the first place.

The other possibility is that the Flood... Or rather the Gravemind, or whatever, saw what was coming with the first activation and put part of itself into stasis in a place where it had overrun a facility that had the ability to do so.
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Urk wrote:
thebruce wrote:
That implies that the flood did die off successfully, as they were intended to, but the small amount of preserved flood (likely) intended for research, were inadvertently re-released.


This leads to a number of questions. Research by whom? For what purpose? And doesn't such an action render the entire Halo system of eradication useless.

Why go to all the trouble of building an array that will wipe out all life in an effort to obliterate a near unstoppable enemy if, in the end, you also provide that enemy with a method of regeneration?

It's a bit like digging a wart out with a knife, but leaving the root intact. It's going to grow back given the right conditions.


We still keep smallpox alive in a couple of labs so it can be studied. We eradicated it except for those 2 specimens, one of which is right here in Atlanta in the CDC.

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TridenT wrote:
So the (flawed) thinking is to keep some as historical reference.


History can be recorded. I agree that this is flawed thinking if it turns out to be the case. It's established that the only way to stop the Flood is to hit the reset button. To preserve them is insanity of the highest order. Or perhaps hubris, eh? A sin.

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We still keep smallpox alive in a couple of labs so it can be studied. We eradicated it except for those 2 specimens, one of which is right here in Atlanta in the CDC.


An excellent point. I would point out, however, that smallpox is seldom fatal and certainly not a threat to all life in the known Universe. On the galactic scale, smallpox is just that, small. It's acne. The Flood, on the other hand, is an incurable, immutable, unyielding plague with a mortality rate of no less than one hundred percent.

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