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 		Sorry for the of topic question but has anyone tried to steg AR's new avatar?

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 		Here is where you want to ask that, buddy.
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Urk wrote:
TridenT wrote:
So the (flawed) thinking is to keep some as historical reference.


History can be recorded. I agree that this is flawed thinking if it turns out to be the case. It's established that the only way to stop the Flood is to hit the reset button. To preserve them is insanity of the highest order. Or perhaps hubris, eh? A sin.

Actually, this one is made expressly clear in-game; from the Halo Story Page's transcript of the Halo 1 level, The Library:
343 Guilty Spark wrote:
Why naturally the Flood is simply too dangerous to release, and mass sterilization protocols may again need to be enacted. Of course, samples were kept here after the last catastrophic outbreak...for study. It seems... that decision may have been an error.

The writers, at least, can see the hazards. Of course, if the Forerunners were in a rush they may have missed those hazards.

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We still keep smallpox alive in a couple of labs so it can be studied. We eradicated it except for those 2 specimens, one of which is right here in Atlanta in the CDC.


An excellent point. I would point out, however, that smallpox is seldom fatal and certainly not a threat to all life in the known Universe. On the galactic scale, smallpox is just that, small. It's acne. The Flood, on the other hand, is an incurable, immutable, plague with a mortality rate of one hundred percent.

Smallpox is seldom fatal now... but it had a 35% mortality rate in antiquity, and over 90% in the 16th century Americas.

-- Steve'll point out that smallpox is indeed much less hazardous now than before because of advances in medical knowledge. Advances gained in part by examining samples. (And advances which leave Humanity far behind the probable benchmark of the Forerunners.)
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Anton P. Nym wrote:
343 Guilty Spark wrote:
Why naturally the Flood is simply too dangerous to release, and mass sterilization protocols may again need to be enacted. Of course, samples were kept here after the last catastrophic outbreak...for study. It seems... that decision may have been an error.

The writers, at least, can see the hazards. Of course, if the Forerunners were in a rush they may have missed those hazards.


Study by whom? Galaxy being devoid of life and all.

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Urk wrote:
Anton P. Nym wrote:
343 Guilty Spark wrote:
Why naturally the Flood is simply too dangerous to release, and mass sterilization protocols may again need to be enacted. Of course, samples were kept here after the last catastrophic outbreak...for study. It seems... that decision may have been an error.

The writers, at least, can see the hazards. Of course, if the Forerunners were in a rush they may have missed those hazards.


Study by whom? Galaxy being devoid of life and all.


Study by AI?
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HitsHerMark wrote:
Urk wrote:
Anton P. Nym wrote:
343 Guilty Spark wrote:
Why naturally the Flood is simply too dangerous to release, and mass sterilization protocols may again need to be enacted. Of course, samples were kept here after the last catastrophic outbreak...for study. It seems... that decision may have been an error.

The writers, at least, can see the hazards. Of course, if the Forerunners were in a rush they may have missed those hazards.


Study by whom? Galaxy being devoid of life and all.


Study by AI?


I would presume by the Forerunners, till they blundered.
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Study by AI?


That is the only answer we are left with given the current information we've been exposed to.

I think it's worth noting that 343 Guilty Spark hesitates before providing his answer, "...for study."

Something very strange is afoot at the Circle H.

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Urk wrote:
Anton P. Nym wrote:
343 Guilty Spark wrote:
Why naturally the Flood is simply too dangerous to release, and mass sterilization protocols may again need to be enacted. Of course, samples were kept here after the last catastrophic outbreak...for study. It seems... that decision may have been an error.

The writers, at least, can see the hazards. Of course, if the Forerunners were in a rush they may have missed those hazards.


Study by whom? Galaxy being devoid of life and all.

We survived the Halos... and so did all the species of the Covenant. We know from the fossil record that 100,000 years ago Humans were anatomically indistinguishable from Humans today... it stands to reason that the Hunters/Prophets/Elites/Grunts/etc did too. There must have been a mechanism set up to protect them all from the Halos' effects; bluddy strong suggestion as to what that would be was in the Ghosts of Onyx novel.

If nothing else, the Forerunners were expecting Reclaimers to show up. Samples left for Reclaimers to study make sense.

-- Steve's hoping that one of the payoffs of this ARG will be a greater understanding of the Forerunners' plan... and how it went off the rails.
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thebruce wrote:
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The Halos kill all sentient life in the galaxy, and by doing so will eliminate the Flood in-directly, as they will no longer have a food source/respawning mechanism.

However, if the Ark is to preserve life, doesn't that contradict the function of the Halos? (Yes of course, this is what we all believe)
If the life forms inside the Ark survive, then the Flood still have a food source.

You realize you answered your own question before you asked it Razz... you know that the flood wouldn't be alive by the time those in the Ark were released/reseeded, so there is no flood to have a food source.


Yes, it is a rhetorical statement, to show the flaw in the Forerunner's plan.
The Ark's function conflicts the Halos' function, as it allows life to live, and thus the flood could still spread. The better (obvious) solution would be to eliminate the flood without wiping out the entire galaxy. (But that's no fun).

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If the Flood are in close proximity of the Ark, then the the people/life forms inside the Ark must remain there until the Flood all die off. Do we have any idea how long that would take? It's been 100,000 years since they were last fired

1. I asked the same question above Smile (40 days? ...28 days? =P)
2. You do know the Halo history right? In Halo one we learn that some flood entities were preserved in stasis on the Halo, and were released again. That implies that the flood did die off successfully, as they were intended to, but the small amount of preserved flood (likely) intended for research, were inadvertently re-released. So technically the Halos were successful. But a mistake in our time rendered the process moot, because the flood are loose again.


I understood the events behind the Flood being released in Halo 1, but the existence of Gravemind would not seem to follow. Gravemind was not a result of the release of the stasis Flood specimen. If he has been aware to listen "Through rock, and metal, and time." then he probably existed before the release of the flood in Halo 1.
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Grifter_7 wrote:

Yes, it is a rhetorical statement, to show the flaw in the Forerunner's plan.
The Ark's function conflicts the Halos' function, as it allows life to live, and thus the flood could still spread. The better (obvious) solution would be to eliminate the flood without wiping out the entire galaxy. (But that's no fun).

The rings were "weapons of last resort"' (343 GS, just before the last playable scene in Halo 2); their firing wasn't the first plan, just the last one. I suspect that plans A-whatever indeed involved wiping out the Flood without wiping out sentient life in the entire galaxy. However, as the Halos were indeed fired, it looks like plans A-whatever didn't work.

Also, it pays to look at the motive behind their fight against the Flood. If they'd just wanted the Flood dead-dead-dead, then they could have just fired the Rings and wiped out everybody. However, they set up this plan with the expectation that Reclaimers would be along later... which implies that there's more to the Rings than just taking the Flood down with the Forerunners' dying breath out of spite.

I would surmise that the effort was to wipe out the Flood so that some species might pick up where the Forerunners left off, thereby Reclaiming the Forerunner facilities.

-- Steve knows there's a lot of blanks to be filled in this interpretation.
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Anton P. Nym wrote:
If nothing else, the Forerunners were expecting Reclaimers to show up. Samples left for Reclaimers to study make sense.


Yet, they provided their expected visitors with no information whatsoever regarding anything of importance? Seems rather daft for a civilization that can fabricate Dyson spheres.

There has to be more. This doesn't add up.

Edit: To clarify, I'm not saying that what you've outlined is nonsensical. I'm not challenging any of what you've posted. It's all accurate and your logic is sound. What I am saying, as you just noted yourself, is that there are plenty of holes in the tale we've been told, and I bet those dark, empty spaces hide some nasty secrets about our Forerunners.

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Urk wrote:
Anton P. Nym wrote:
If nothing else, the Forerunners were expecting Reclaimers to show up. Samples left for Reclaimers to study make sense.


Yet, they provided their expected visitors with no information whatsoever regarding anything of importance? Seems rather daft for a civilization that can fabricate Dyson spheres.

There has to be more. This doesn't add up.


Now that's not entirely true. There was plenty of information available, or at least enough that Cortana figured out what the deal was. It's the covenant that were clueless.

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 		I wish I knew the etymology behind this quote:

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Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetance.


-- Steve's thinking that the Forerunners' great plan went badly awry, and is looking forward to finding out how this happened.
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Anton P. Nym wrote:
I wish I knew the etymology behind this quote:

Quote:
Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetance.


-- Steve's thinking that the Forerunners' great plan went badly awry, and is looking forward to finding out how this happened.


Hanlon's Razor.

And yes, it most certainly went awry. Wink

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Anton P. Nym wrote:
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Yes, it is a rhetorical statement, to show the flaw in the Forerunner's plan.
The Ark's function conflicts the Halos' function, as it allows life to live, and thus the flood could still spread. [sarcasm]The better (obvious) solution would be to eliminate the flood without wiping out the entire galaxy. (But that's no fun).[/sarcasm]

The rings were "weapons of last resort"' (343 GS, just before the last playable scene in Halo 2); their firing wasn't the first plan, just the last one. I suspect that plans A-whatever indeed involved wiping out the Flood without wiping out sentient life in the entire galaxy. However, as the Halos were indeed fired, it looks like plans A-whatever didn't work.


Sorry, I should have put sarcasm tags around it as it is above. Smile
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