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[SPEC] Ark Speculation
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camshaft
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Urk wrote:
Anton P. Nym wrote:
If nothing else, the Forerunners were expecting Reclaimers to show up. Samples left for Reclaimers to study make sense.


Yet, they provided their expected visitors with no information whatsoever regarding anything of importance? Seems rather daft for a civilization that can fabricate Dyson spheres.

There has to be more. This doesn't add up.



Well, maybe the reclaimers would not have needed an instruction manual because they were supposed to show up right away....something went horribly wrong.

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camshaft wrote:
Well, maybe the reclaimers would not have needed an instruction manual because they were supposed to show up right away....something went horribly wrong.


Very interesting thought.

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camshaft wrote:
Well, maybe the reclaimers would not have needed an instruction manual because they were supposed to show up right away....something went horribly wrong.


That's backed up by the fact that Master Chief new what buttons to press to make the bridge appear in halo 1 (I think anyway, it's been a while Razz ). Good point thar.

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The Halos kill all sentient life in the galaxy, and by doing so will eliminate the Flood in-directly, as they will no longer have a food source/respawning mechanism.

However, if the Ark is to preserve life, doesn't that contradict the function of the Halos? (Yes of course, this is what we all believe)
If the life forms inside the Ark survive, then the Flood still have a food source.

You realize you answered your own question before you asked it Razz... you know that the flood wouldn't be alive by the time those in the Ark were released/reseeded, so there is no flood to have a food source.


Yes, it is a rhetorical statement, to show the flaw in the Forerunner's plan.
The Ark's function conflicts the Halos' function, as it allows life to live, and thus the flood could still spread. The better (obvious) solution would be to eliminate the flood without wiping out the entire galaxy. (But that's no fun).

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If the Flood are in close proximity of the Ark, then the the people/life forms inside the Ark must remain there until the Flood all die off. Do we have any idea how long that would take? It's been 100,000 years since they were last fired

1. I asked the same question above Smile (40 days? ...28 days? =P)
2. You do know the Halo history right? In Halo one we learn that some flood entities were preserved in stasis on the Halo, and were released again. That implies that the flood did die off successfully, as they were intended to, but the small amount of preserved flood (likely) intended for research, were inadvertently re-released. So technically the Halos were successful. But a mistake in our time rendered the process moot, because the flood are loose again.


I understood the events behind the Flood being released in Halo 1, but the existence of Gravemind would not seem to follow. Gravemind was not a result of the release of the stasis Flood specimen. If he has been aware to listen "Through rock, and metal, and time." then he probably existed before the release of the flood in Halo 1.

The Flood absorb knowledge when they infect new hosts, so maybe he was able to "listen" all this time because he learned a lot when he started absorbing Covenant and Human soldiers when they landed on Delta Halo. It doesn't seem to take very long to create a Gravemind, as seen in the Halo Graphic Novel. There just has to be enough corpses to assemble together to create one.
Maybe that's what the Flood where doing on "Keyes" in Halo 1? They were assembling bodies to make a Gravemind!

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 		Trying to rack my feeble mind around this but what about Gravemind how long does it take for the flood to obtain a critical mass and become the tentacled one.

Because if the the rings were fired 100,000 years how did they miss.

Ok so nimble cat answered so I have another is there only one Gravemind why not have many acting as telepathicly linked nodes.

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 		Very long, but very interesting theory.

Not entirely about the Ark, but it is a major point of discussion. We've seemed to stumble onto several of the same conclusions here, which may speak about the logical path the story is set to take, but there are also some very inventive and interesting ideas contained in the write-up and all points made are thoroughly explored and supported.

Check it out.

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gott_sei_dank wrote:
Trying to rack my feeble mind around this but what about Gravemind how long does it take for the flood to obtain a critical mass and become the tentacled one.

Because if the the rings were fired 100,000 years how did they miss.

Ok so nimble cat answered so I have another is there only one Gravemind why not have many acting as telepathicly linked nodes.


There have been two revealed Graveminds. One in Halo 2 and one in the Halo Graphic Novel. We don't know very much about them at all aside from what's presented in those two sources.
Apparently they don't take a long time to assemble, have teleportation abilities, are intelligent, absorb knowledge, and control Flood soldiers.

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Nimble Cat wrote:

Apparently they don't take a long time to assemble, have teleportation abilities, are intelligent, absorb knowledge, and control Flood soldiers.

If they have teleportation abilities then they could have possibly teleported away from the danger of the halos. It is possible that there are areas in the universe where the halos can't reach. That is if the do have such skills. If they don't then i have to agree with Nimble Cat on the absorption idea.
Nimble Cat wrote:

The Flood absorb knowledge when they infect new hosts, so maybe he was able to "listen" all this time because he learned a lot when he started absorbing Covenant and Human soldiers when they landed on Delta Halo. It doesn't seem to take very long to create a Gravemind, as seen in the Halo Graphic Novel. There just has to be enough corpses to assemble together to create one.
Maybe that's what the Flood where doing on "Keyes" in Halo 1? They were assembling bodies to make a Gravemind!


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 		They don't have teleportation abilities. GM just hooked into the teleportation grid on Delta Halo that Penitent Tangent uses.

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They don't have teleportation abilities. GM just hooked into the teleportation grid on Delta Halo that Penitent Tangent uses.

Ok wasn't too sure since I've only read the books and not the comic. Oh wait...I just remembered the halos don't kill the flood...they starve them (Got caught up in the conversation a bit too much -_-). So I suppose something as complex and evolved as Gravemind could have found a way to survive the lack of food. That would explain why he and any others could have survived while the rest of the universe was either being wiped out, protected, or remade.

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Nimble Cat wrote:

Apparently they don't take a long time to assemble, have teleportation abilities, are intelligent, absorb knowledge, and control Flood soldiers.

Mostly agreed, but only one Brain form Flood (Gravemind) showed "teleportation abilities".

Note that the animation for the teleport is the same as the one used by 343 Guilty Spark and Cortana to move the Master Chief around Halo 04, and Cortana expressly stated that the teleporter was built into the Halo:

Cortana wrote:
There's a teleportation grid that runs throughout Halo. That's how the monitor moves about so quickly. I learned how to tap into the grid when I was in the control room.


From this, I deduce that it's the Halos that provide teleportation abilities. Gravemind tapped into this through his connection with / possession of Monitor 2401 Penitent Tangent.

-- Steve thinks that Flood with endemic teleportation would be absolutely horrifying.
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If they have teleportation abilities then they could have possibly teleported away from the danger of the halos. It is possible that there are areas in the universe where the halos can't reach. That is if the do have such skills. If they don't then i have to agree with Nimble Cat on the absorption idea.


They Halos only kill life in this galaxy. The rest of the universe would be fine. Guilty Spark mentions the range of the halos in Halo 1, saying that it should be enough to cleanse this galaxy.

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Bigman2491 wrote:
So I suppose something as complex and evolved as Gravemind could have found a way to survive the lack of food. That would explain why he and any others could have survived while the rest of the universe was either being wiped out, protected, or remade.


Gravemind may not have survived in the physical sense. We simply don't know the nature of the Flood's "hive mind." Perhaps the "genetic memory" of any surviving Flood organism can be conferred upon a new Gravemind form.

All spec, of course.

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Urk wrote:
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So I suppose something as complex and evolved as Gravemind could have found a way to survive the lack of food. That would explain why he and any others could have survived while the rest of the universe was either being wiped out, protected, or remade.


Gravemind may not have survived in the physical sense. We simply don't know the nature of the Flood's "hive mind." Perhaps the "genetic memory" of any surviving Flood organism can be conferred upon a new Gravemind form.

All spec, of course.


That's what I'm thinking. The Gravemind would have access to the memories of the Flood specimens held in stasis, thus having knowledge of the activation of the Halos 100,000 years ago and the Forerunner.

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 		Ok so I read Mr Bananas theory, my mind melted a little more, if humanity is related to the forerunners, and I think I've mentioned it else where, the floods genetic memory would have made life so much easier when it came to reseeding,

Now as for the flood and food aren't there problems with biomass won't they run out of things to eat,

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