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[SPEC] Royal Bloodline Theory
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TerribleTimbo
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[SPEC] Royal Bloodline Theory

I'm thinking that Forerunners, or things with Forerunner blood, might be somewhat immune to the effects of the Flood. And by things I mean humans. The ability I think that those with the blood in them are able to keep when infected by the Flood is the ability to still think on their own.

I believe that Forerunners helped humans evolve in the past by being in contact with them in the past, as seen in the comic. But I don't believe that the robot in the comic was an actual Forerunner and that it's just something they made that could have possibly made first contact with humans. I think that somewhere along the line they could have mated with humans thus passing along their genes. But over time the number of people with these Forerunner genes would become a very small group. A group as small as say the number selected for the Spartan project's. In the books if I remember right the candidates had to have certain qualities about them that would have been brought about by certain genes they carried. Farther along I think one of them gets cut and their blood causes some ancient glyphs to light up that possibly only react to Forerunners. So if this is true then no Spartan can be fully consumed by the Flood and so far none have been.

But I doubt that all the humans with Forerunner blood in them were found. I think that Captain Keyes, and maybe the rest of them(Miranda), have the blood in them too. My theory that he has the ancient blood comes from Halo CE. He is consumed by the Flood but is strangely able to still think on his own and even talk(which only Gravemind has been able to do so far too). This would support my theory in that his own brain is still with him and has not been lost to the Flood, but he is still unable to move or anything like that which I will explain later.

Now onto Gravemind. I think that Gravemind is actually a Forerunner that was been taken over by the Flood. I believe this because he is at a place where the Forerunners could have been, maybe he was doing final inspections on the Halo or something. Also, he is able to think and act on his own which the Flood don't do as far as we have seen but, unlike Keyes, he is able to move apparently. Another thing about him that leads me to believe he was a Forerunner is at the end of Halo 2. Gravemind says "But my mind is not at rest for questions linger on. I will ask and you will answer." I think that he is going to question Cortana about the past and catch up on how things were and how they got out of hand since he has been infected. I think that through this questioning he will either: 1)Pass on all his knowledge onto Cortana about the Flood, the past, his people, and all that nonsense; or 2)Imprint himself onto Cortana since they were probably the first people to develop A.I.'s and could possibly have learned to do this. If he had done the second choice that might explain why Cortana's voice on the E3 trailer was a mix of their voices.

Now about the physical appearances of those that would be taken over. I think that when the Flood infect those with Forerunner genes they react to them and cause serious mutations to occur. This would explain why Keyes becomes a giant blob which no other Flood look like and why Gravemind is an absolute giant. Now I don't think that Forerunners were giants but maybe perhaps since Gravemind had pure DNA inside him is the reason he became so much bigger that that of a human whose blood is probably the result of the thousandth generation. Also, I think that the reason Keyes is not able to move and Gravemind is is that that part of the genes has simply vanished in the years of breeding.

Well that's my theory of the Forerunners and the Flood. I hope I didn't miss anything that completely debunks it.

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One thing I'm wondering is, how would the directors of the spartan program know to look for the particular "forerunner gene?" Unless it's associated with another desirable characteristic they were looking for spartans to possess.

Nice Theory, I like it.

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The only problem is, if the Forerunner had an immunity or resistance to the Flood, why would they create the Halo's to combat it?
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TerribleTimbo
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To Joshy incase others post-
Hmmm, I don't know really. Maybe they had knowledge of the special genes but never made it public. Maybe they had everyone's blood sampled at birth for diseases and such but the directors would look for the Forerunner parts instead. Then they might go and scope out their found subjects and decide whether or not they were suitable for the Spartan program. This could also mean that they know everyone with the Forerunner blood in them too, aka Keyes.

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Also, at this very time my brother has just pointed out to me that Sergent Johnson was in a program called Project ORION. This project seems to have been done by the same people that did the other Spartan programs, but as you may know they started on Spartan 2's, not one. So this first project could have created the first group of Spartan soldiers which would make Johnson a Spartan. If this is true then it would solidify that Spartans are immune to the Flood because he was able to survive. He was told that it was because of the some syndrome(I forget the name), but this syndrome could be the code name for the Forerunner blood.

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TerribleTimbo
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DM wrote:
The only problem is, if the Forerunner had an immunity or resistance to the Flood, why would they create the Halo's to combat it?


Maybe the Flood were a mistake of the Forerunners. The halo's could have been giant laboratories. Maybe they were trying to develop a new species and were seeing if they could adapt to various environments(it seemed that the first halo was different from the one in H2), but something went wrong and the Flood came about. And since they could have laboratories they probably kept their experiments sealed away unless they were testing, which would explain why the Flood weren't running about until they were released on Halo CE. Also, they could have made the halo's weapons just in case they lost control of their new pals and weren't sure what they fed on, so they decided to wipe out everything if this happened.

Plus, they may not have know they were resistant until the Flood finally made contact. They then may have activated the halo's to kill the Flood and not realizing that they would die instead.

Or maybe they were in a war in which either the Flood or the halo's could destroy their enemy. And they would only use the halo's in case they were losing.

*Edited to make first part make some more sense hopefully.
*Edited again because I kept spelling things wrong.

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I really like this theory. This also explains how Master Chief somehow knew exactly how to operate all the Forerunner machinery (like during the cutscene in Halo CE where he activates the light bride) -- he would have some sort of 'genetic memory'. When the Spartans were selected, they would have picked the absolute best genetic specimens -- and what better specimen than one with DNA from a far superior race?

This also really helps out with the monitors calling humans 'reclaimers'. It means that humanity wasn't created by the Forerunners, but was probably elevated from apes, about 100,000 years ago, when they first came to earth.

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This provides another angle for my theory that the information we are receiving now will be crucial for future events.Perhaps now that mankind has reached a level of understanding that we can manipulate genetic materials the Forerunners are providing us with the path to alter our DNA to ensure in the future there will be a Master Chief.

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On the part about Halos being giant labs:

1. I agree, because of the ecosystem on the ring. If it were solely a weapon, where is the need to have a functioning ecosystem at all?

2. Why make the rings a full fledged laboratory with a biosphere (and even varying systems between rings, possibly) if they are just a giant weapon?

Now I'm wondering, why have all these functions on a single ring? Since each purpose is fairly extreme (Creating and studying a new species or destroying all sentient life).

I hope this makes some degree of sense.

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TerribleTimbo
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Joshy wrote:
On the part about Halos being giant labs:

1. I agree, because of the ecosystem on the ring. If it were solely a weapon, where is the need to have a functioning ecosystem at all?

2. Why make the rings a full fledged laboratory with a biosphere (and even varying systems between rings, possibly) if they are just a giant weapon?

Now I'm wondering, why have all these functions on a single ring? Since each purpose is fairly extreme (Creating and studying a new species or destroying all sentient life).

I hope this makes some degree of sense.


1. They could have been weapons in case of war and they had no other way of escape. Or maybe they could have been trapped on the halo's for some reason and would use the guns if something threated their existence(might be the reason we haven't heard of Forerunners anywhere else). But they would have needed a way to survive regardless, maybe the bunkers the Flood were kept in or safe houses underground or possibly little spaceships.

2. Well if they were laboratories then Forerunners would of had to live on them thus the need of a fully functioning ecosystem to survive on.

I was thinking that maybe the Flood could have been made on purpose. They might have brought different animals to the planets and seen the reactions between the two. And then if things were going bad they'd activate the halo's, let the Flood die off, and start over. Maybe they didn't care about the blast range when making the halos since nothing else was near them at the time, but made sure it covered the nearby planets in case their Flood made it out. They could have also developed something that could withstand the blast just in case they ever needed to activate the halo's.

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Hank Scorpio
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I like this theory also. Having first contact in 2007 will lead to our knowledge of the forerunners and over the next 500 years lead to a sequence of events involving the Spartan program and the events in the games to prevent another disaster. I think that even if the forerunners were immune themselves to the flood, they would have been concerned with the rest of the universe too and their responsibility for what they had done.

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lab/weapon weapon/lab?
Which came first? The flood or a device to destroy all sentient life?

So the rings are a lab, and a weapon of total destruction of all life.

But why?

We have been thinking that these rings were labs that created the flood. But that wouldn't make logical sense at all. Why build 7 rings? One would be sufficient to grow some flood. So why do they need 7 labs?

Because they are meant as weapons as their 1st purpose. They need all 7 or a bit less to destroy all life in a wide enough range to stop the flood.

Then why are they labs as well?

Because they needed a place to study the flood since everywhere else was probably affected.

Why do they need a whole eco system?

Well, if your home world's full of the flood, and you have a huge ass space ship why not have a garden big enough to live in as well?

I think the halos are meant as the last weapon against the flood as well as the last habitable places for the forerunners.

Interestingly enough all three of the races we've seen so far are quite happy on the ecosystem of the halos. which would mean, that genetically we're very similar to the Forerunners, as well as them being similar to the flood as well as the Covenant.

DUM DUM DUM!

Its like that episode of Stark Trek:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
EVERYONE WAS RELATED! IT WAS A BIG ALIEN ORGY OF GENETICS!


EDIT: Somebody asked in the Glyph branch of how life was spread again. If the "flood" came, then the forerunners would have needed an "Ark" and its suppose to be on Earth, so that does mean we are very related to the forerunners. (which could also explain why we are so fast at adapting, because we are actually a very ancient civilization)

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Also, wasn't the only real lab that's been seen in the Halo universe that space station where the Heretic Leader was? The inside of the two Halos we've seen was VERY different from that lab. At least I think so.

I haven't read the books, so I might be wrong about the labs, I'm just going off of what I've seen in the games.

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violentvixen wrote:
Also, wasn't the only real lab that's been seen in the Halo universe that space station where the Heretic Leader was? The inside of the two Halos we've seen was VERY different from that lab. At least I think so.

I haven't read the books, so I might be wrong about the labs, I'm just going off of what I've seen in the games.


I don't want to burst anybody's bubble, but. He went to the library because the Gravemind kind of sent him there to do something right?

MC is a cyborg after all, he's partly technological. He can interface with Earth and Covenent technology simply by holding his hand over an access area. Like in the start of Halo 2, you find the bomb, Cortana says "Me, in your head, now." He holds his hand over Cortana, she transfers into his system. He holds his hand over the bomb, Cortana turns it off. He doesn't even know what she did to stop it, or how long it had left.

So if the Gravemind can interface with the systems on Halo... Couldn't he/it interface with MC's systems?
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I found something interesting in the Star Map thread(sorry i dont have the link) but there is an ineresting picture there http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=8656
Cephee is the constilation(sp?) Cepheus who was the King of Aethopia, mythogical Ethopia. Modern Ethopia borders modern Kenya. The way it ties in here is that Cepheus and his wife gave birth to the wife of the father of Perses and were the ancestors of the rulers of Mycenae.
If you replace Cepheus and his with Forerunners and there daughter and her husband with Master Chiefs parents and Perses with Master Chief and the ruler of Mycenae with the Forerunners than you may have a shortened version of Master Chief's bloodline.
Aethiopia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia_%28Mythology%29
please correct me if you see I'm wrong

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Actually, he's not a cyborg. He's human with genetic tinkering. The reason he can put cortana in his head is twofold. The Mjolinir armor is multi-layered. There's enough computational devices in that suit to facilitate AI calculations. All the spartans had their neural interfaces upgraded for this reason, so that they could support AI data, the suit does enough work to offload most of the work.

I think also, that most humans in the UNSC have a very basic version of this too.
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