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Foz
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 		Re: The Lunar Cycle?
CookTrain wrote:
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I was just posting about the Lunar Cycle and the Sota Application and I came across the Phases of The Moon. Tell me this doesn't look like our glyph:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Phases_of_the_Moon.png

Also there is a formula for determing new lunar cycles (New Moons)here


That actually makes a lot of sense... When AR first commented that it had begun, it was the 14th. The 14th June was a new moon which puts the moon at position 12'o'clock.

Then on the 21st, server 05 opened which was between crescent and quarter moon.

http://stardate.org/nightsky/moon/ - This is the page I used to see what the moon was doing at those points. Smile

EDIT - Following that pattern, the next thing should have happened around the 26th as thats when the moon was waxing gibbous...


Yes. Actually, the 22nd was the First Quarter. Check here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_lunar_phases

June 22nd = First Quarter
June 30th = Full Moon
July 7th = Last Quarter
July 14th = New Moon (new Lunar Cycle)

We should keep our eyes peeled on these days and see if we find the corresponding glyph for each cycle. In fact, the next glyph on the server looks to support this theory. I think....
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 		The moon
Building on the moon theory...what if the moon IS the Ark?

We know the moon was brought up in Halo 2.
There are a few frames in the Server 05 video that look like they could be the moon
http://halo.wikibruce.com/Image:Frame23%287%29.jpg
http://halo.wikibruce.com/Image:Frame25%286%29.jpg

Also, one of AR's posts stands out to me:
" Who is the path of light from blackest Earth to brilliant heaven?
On whose golden wings will we fly from here to there? "
This implies travel of some sort.

Perhaps the "ark" on Earth is actually a portal to a Dyson sphere on/in the moon. The Covenant's "great journey" is a distorted version of this.
Perhaps the glyph is supposed to show when the moon is properly aligned with the ark so that it can be accessed.

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 		Re: The moon
Awhite2490 wrote:
Building on the moon theory...what if the moon IS the Ark?

We know the moon was brought up in Halo 2.
There are a few frames in the Server 05 video that look like they could be the moon
http://halo.wikibruce.com/Image:Frame23%287%29.jpg
http://halo.wikibruce.com/Image:Frame25%286%29.jpg

Also, one of AR's posts stands out to me:
" Who is the path of light from blackest Earth to brilliant heaven?
On whose golden wings will we fly from here to there? "
This implies travel of some sort.

Perhaps the "ark" on Earth is actually a portal to a Dyson sphere on/in the moon. The Covenant's "great journey" is a distorted version of this.
Perhaps the glyph is supposed to show when the moon is properly aligned with the ark so that it can be accessed.


At first i thought all this moon junk was a bunch of hokey hoo-hah. But this seems to really make sense. Way to go with this logic, awhite.

edit: Now that i think about it, I dont agree with the moon BEING the Ark; however, I do very much agree with the idea that the moon needs to be aligned in a particular way for the portal that might be in the Ark to be accessed.

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 		Re: The moon
Awhite2490 wrote:

Also, one of AR's posts stands out to me:
" Who is the path of light from blackest Earth to brilliant heaven?
On whose golden wings will we fly from here to there? "
This implies travel of some sort.


Blackest earth = Night
Brilliant Heaven = (if it's night time) Moon
Golden Wings = Rocket jets?

Thats all a bit of a reach isn't it... Sorry if I'm talking silliness Smile

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 		Re: The moon
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Now that i think about it, I dont agree with the moon BEING the Ark; however, I do very much agree with the idea that the moon needs to be aligned in a particular way for the portal that might be in the Ark to be accessed.

I was thinking the same thing... I'm torn on the actual location of the Ark, but the glyph seems like it now actually may be a countdown itself.

How many new moons are there? Or more appropriately, what's the next date that a new moon would align with the approximate location of the Ark on earth?

In the trailer, we see the Ark open and fire - what if that fire was directed to the moon, as mentioned above? That might mean the final glyph is the moment that the moon is in line with the firing of the Ark.

In which case, the other glyphs would represent the dates that approximate the moon's alignment depicted.

Can someone find a good astronomy program that would be able to diagram the moon's rotation around the earth, and its current position in relation to the lat/long of Voi? Spidey sense is tingling that it'll be pretty close to the angle of the last found glyph in the series (upper right quadrant open, circle on top)
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 		The glyph being a countdown really makes sense now that I take a second look at it.

If we assume it is supposed to represent an Earth - Moon relation, with the center circle being the Earth and the outer circle on the arm being the Moon, and the opening in the glyph rotates clockwise, the last opening would be the one which leaves a straight open path between center circle and outer circle, or Earth and Moon.

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 		Re: The moon
thebruce wrote:
ssx3master wrote:
Now that i think about it, I dont agree with the moon BEING the Ark; however, I do very much agree with the idea that the moon needs to be aligned in a particular way for the portal that might be in the Ark to be accessed.

I was thinking the same thing... I'm torn on the actual location of the Ark, but the glyph seems like it now actually may be a countdown itself.

How many new moons are there? Or more appropriately, what's the next date that a new moon would align with the approximate location of the Ark on earth?

In the trailer, we see the Ark open and fire - what if that fire was directed to the moon, as mentioned above? That might mean the final glyph is the moment that the moon is in line with the firing of the Ark.

In which case, the other glyphs would represent the dates that approximate the moon's alignment depicted.

Can someone find a good astronomy program that would be able to diagram the moon's rotation around the earth, and its current position in relation to the lat/long of Voi? Spidey sense is tingling that it'll be pretty close to the angle of the last found glyph in the series (upper right quadrant open, circle on top)


This might prove useful: http://www.rodurago.de/en/index.php?month=6&year=2007&geodata=40.45%2C-74.00%2C-5&site=details&link=calendar

edit: Someone else found this link but I can't find the post to give proper credit. Thank you whoever you are.
Also, Africa isn't listed but south Africa and Ethiopia are. We just have to decide what hemisphere Voi is in, or "The Cradle of Life", or that mountaintop.....you get the idea
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 		Mombasa full moon
Holy crap. Shocked

Using the link you provided, Foz, I looked at July first, 2007, over Mombasa.

It's a full moon.

This is too good to be a coincidence.

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 		Are we finally getting somewhere into this then? It amuses me all these people saying about how nothing was happening, when perhaps there are puzzles in front of us all along! Very Happy

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 		Re: Mombasa full moon
Awhite2490 wrote:
Holy crap. Shocked
Using the link you provided, Foz, I looked at July first, 2007, over Mombasa.
It's a full moon.
This is too good to be a coincidence.


Well technically it's a full moon everywhere... the question is is the moon actually directly overtop of Mombasa (or the predicted location over the Ark), so that a vertical beam would intercept the moon from that location.

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 		Re: Mombasa full moon
thebruce wrote:
Awhite2490 wrote:
Holy crap. Shocked
Using the link you provided, Foz, I looked at July first, 2007, over Mombasa.
It's a full moon.
This is too good to be a coincidence.


Well technically it's a full moon everywhere... the question is is the moon actually directly overtop of Mombasa (or the predicted location over the Ark), so that a vertical beam would intercept the moon from that location.


This world is an amazing place....

http://www.starlight.demon.co.uk/mooncalc/
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 		Using this website, and viewing the earth from the moon, neither midnight June 30 nor July 1 seem to line up with Mombasa (would need to be in the center of the image). At the point it does approximately line up (and even then it's off center), it's no longer a full moon. The full moon seems to occur more accurately around June 30th, 2pm UTC, over Australia. The next full moon is about July 30, midnight, but it's aligned over the South Atlantic... I don't think we're looking at a perfect alignment here Confused

will check out your link... lots of work
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 		I think by now we are all familiar with what all the glyphs look like in sequence, so im just posting these two. It's also already been pointed out that in the glyph where there is no break in the outer circle, the "dot" in the middle is actually a circle. That is also the glyph that SOTA claims the ancients left on that rock when they were on earth.

What im thinking is that this may indicate that that as time has passed since the Forerunners have been active on earth, or as the moon is changing phases, something in the middle of everything is changing from the way it was when the Forerunners left that mark on the stone.

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thebruce wrote:
Using this website, and viewing the earth from the moon, neither midnight June 30 nor July 1 seem to line up with Mombasa (would need to be in the center of the image). At the point it does approximately line up (and even then it's off center), it's no longer a full moon. The full moon seems to occur more accurately around June 30th, 2pm UTC, over Australia. The next full moon is about July 30, midnight, but it's aligned over the South Atlantic... I don't think we're looking at a perfect alignment here Confused

will check out your link... lots of work


I see where you're going but I'm not sure those would be the dates. Since the glyphs are on the server it seems a far more conservative leap to suggest that the moon cycles have to do with the opening of the servers. For instance if you were to lay the glyphs over this image:


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 		yes, that is what I'm saying, but I'm taking it a step further and positing that the moon's actual position may play a role with the Ark - but, none of the upcoming phases actual have the moon -aligned- directly over Mombasa/Voi/the Ark, so that maybe not be a valid theory.

But at the least, I do believe the glyph is related to the lunar phase, though in a 5 step-increment rather than a 4 or 8 step cycle (full/half/quarters)

And actually, I think that's just what you were referring to anyhow Razz... so, yeah, I agree. The dates of quarters and halves won't align to the moon - only one position would be represented, either the full or new moon.

The question is - what do the circles represent? Is the earth in the center dot with the moon revolving, or is the moon the center with the earth revolving (from its perspective)? So I think actually there are still a bunch of questions to be answered before we can conclude anything... I guess we'll find out this weekend if the lunar cycles have anything to do with the glyph
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