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[SPEC] Q: Does slipspace protect you from the Halo pulses?
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OwduaNM
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 		I've always thought that the Halos didn't actually kill life, but whatever might support that life. It's possible that the halos together act as something like a supernova or a black hole, completely obliterating everything within a certain distance. That's not likely, but possible. I always envisioned that the Halos would have an effect on something like the sun, or damaging planets so that they are not suitable for life.

That being said, if everything is destroyed when a ship comes out of slipspace, then there isn't anything for them to come back to anyways.

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 		then why would Halo discern between killing what can sustain the flood and what can? esp. if we assume every organism is involved in som ebiological chain

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 		Question: Why can the Halo Array kill every (large or smart, depending on who you listen to) living thing except for the Flood? What could possibly be eponymous enough to perfectly kill off disparate species like jackals, humans, elites, etc--non-physically--yet incapable of killing the Flood themselves? We know they're vulnerable to fire, Sentinel beams, solid projectiles, explosives, and plasma. What makes the Flood unkillable? Is it purely a size concern? (I realize we haven't been directly given this information; I would, however, like your ideas on this.)

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Technically, this installation's pulse has a maximum effective radius of twenty-five thousand light years. But, once the others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or at least any life with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood.

According to 343 Guilty Spark, the criteria is based on biomass alone. I'm not entirely convinced that the Flood are excluded from this "biomass" that is eliminated. Also keep in mind that shooting a Flood form with a projectile weapon will unlikely eliminate the virus it carries, and the virus itself may not be so easily killed when other vectors are so plentiful.

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Phyltre wrote:
Question: What makes the Flood unkillable? Is it purely a size concern? (I realize we haven't been directly given this information; I would, however, like your ideas on this.)


I'm inclined to believe that the pulse is capable of killing of the flood, at least the infected hosts, I making the assumption the spores that have been mentioned are the smallest form of the Flood, then you would have had to kill everything, down to that size, if you were "attacking" so to speak.

I see the Halo's a bit like a nuclear deterrent, if Flood have intelligence, and became aware of the Halos purpose, maybe they attacked first, knowing they had a way to survive. Wild spec again eh?

As for Slipspace, does that include time dilation,

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OwduaNM wrote:
I've always thought that the Halos didn't actually kill life, but whatever might support that life. It's possible that the halos together act as something like a supernova or a black hole, completely obliterating everything within a certain distance.


The Halo's we've seen exist near planetary bodies that are not only intact, but are also home to undamaged Forerunner architecture. We can assume that they do not cause mass physical damage to non-organics.

With the inclusion of the term "radium burn" in the array log, I would guess that the array's primary method of destruction is radioactive. Radiation would leave only the smallest lifeforms behind and while it wouldn't kill the Flood outright, it would definitely destroy their food source.

Crazy spec, of course.

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 		Crazy spec, but I'm thinking that is the closest best guess we have so far. I'm inclined to agree.
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OwduaNM wrote:
I've always thought that the Halos didn't actually kill life, but whatever might support that life. It's possible that the halos together act as something like a supernova or a black hole, completely obliterating everything within a certain distance. That's not likely, but possible. I always envisioned that the Halos would have an effect on something like the sun, or damaging planets so that they are not suitable for life.

That being said, if everything is destroyed when a ship comes out of slipspace, then there isn't anything for them to come back to anyways.


http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/The_Halos#Function
This is how the Halos work.

Anything with calcium in it is destroyed. When it comes to how it does this, it is unknown. But these are the Forerunner. They have crazy tech.

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But think about it, you wouldn't want to destroy your entire race would you? You'd have to find a way to survive (at least a small sect).
Why else would they create a Mini Dyson Sphere the size of two astronomical units? It's kinda pieced together that the Forerunner PLANNED on surviving. They just wanted to be gone long enough for the infection to die.
Hence the Ark.

Exactly. It wouldn't do much good to build the array in the first place if you didn't have a way to survive. Is Onyx 2 AU? (I haven't read the book yet).

2 AU from what? AU is a measure of distance, so you need to provide a start and end point.

For those that don't know, an AU is equivalent to the distance from the earth to the sun. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_unit

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 		What I think he means is how big is the interior of the dyson sphere at the end of ghosts of onyx. I think it's a big planet but I don't recall any numbers mention. I'm re-reading Onyx so I might be able to tell you in a couple of days.
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LorD BaZTArD wrote:
What I think he means is how big is the interior of the dyson sphere at the end of ghosts of onyx. I think it's a big planet but I don't recall any numbers mention. I'm re-reading Onyx so I might be able to tell you in a couple of days.

Yes, I was referring to the diameter of the sphere itself. ThereIsNoSpoone mentioned a sphere with the size of 2 AU, so I was trying to confirm if this was the actual size of Onyx.

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 		Diameter of the device on the outside was... I'm thinking three or so meters, given it was built by those wacky forerunners though inside it was a large landmass built along the sides of the sphere, think of the Cylinder from the Rama books by Arthur C Clarke and Gentry Lee.

I recall it was big enough you couldn't see the curve from where you stood. It wasn't small.
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 		No. The Mini Dyson Sphere is located at the center of Onyx. It's hard to explain but the Forerunner compacted 2 AUs worth of space into a space no bigger than a few meters. So from the outside, it looks fairly small, but once you're in it, it's the size of 2 AUs.
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AshofPompei wrote:
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/The_Halos#Function
This is how the Halos work.

Anything with calcium in it is destroyed. When it comes to how it does this, it is unknown. But these are the Forerunner. They have crazy tech.

Pure spec, and faulty spec, at that. We know the Flood requires calcium to survive, implying that most of the Covenant, like humans, are calcium-based. But if that were true, then the more primitive version of them that existed 100,000 years ago would have been killed. You can't just evolve a calcium skeletal structure in a few thousand years.

How exactly the Halos "decide" who to kill is a mystery, but it's likely to be tied to intelligence, or some factor directly related to intelligence.

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Jordan117 wrote:
AshofPompei wrote:
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/The_Halos#Function
This is how the Halos work.

Anything with calcium in it is destroyed. When it comes to how it does this, it is unknown. But these are the Forerunner. They have crazy tech.

Pure spec, and faulty spec, at that. We know the Flood requires calcium to survive, implying that most of the Covenant, like humans, are calcium-based. But if that were true, then the more primitive version of them that existed 100,000 years ago would have been killed. You can't just evolve a calcium skeletal structure in a few thousand years.

How exactly the Halos "decide" who to kill is a mystery, but it's likely to be tied to intelligence, or some factor directly related to intelligence.


I had thought about this too. I thought that maybe there were other shield worlds that those covenant species had used. But it would seem that maybe those species were outside of the halo blast radius. But that is also spec.

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