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MageSteff
Pretty talky there aintcha, Talky?
Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 2716 Location: State of Denial
chat: Turing Principle Aug 3
Quote:
Magesteff (9:26:24 PM): tap tap
turingprinciple (9:27:02 PM): scanning ports please stand by
turingprinciple signed off at 9:27:52 PM.
turingprinciple signed on at 9:27:56 PM.
Magesteff (9:28:02 PM): tap tap
turingprinciple (9:28:13 PM): tap tap
Magesteff (9:28:27 PM): Hello TuringPrinciple
turingprinciple (9:28:31 PM): Hello there. Do you have any idea what I am talking about?
Magesteff (9:28:46 PM): What is the missing manuscript?
turingprinciple (9:28:54 PM): keyword acknowledged - secure node pathway accessed
turingprinciple (9:28:56 PM): The missing Fourth Book of Trithemius' Steganographia is called the missing manuscript.
turingprinciple (9:28:57 PM): A researcher named Colin Penrose is seeking the pages of the manuscript.
turingprinciple (9:28:59 PM): The first page contains the phrase "optatio venatio".
Magesteff (9:29:30 PM): who is optatio venatio?
Magesteff (9:29:56 PM): wish chasing
turingprinciple (9:30:05 PM): keyword recognized - missing manuscript - secure node pathway - a phrase from the first page of the missing Fourth Book of Trithemius' Steganographia. It is Latin.
turingprinciple (9:30:07 PM): Can you tell me what it means?
Magesteff (9:30:17 PM): wish chasing
turingprinciple (9:30:28 PM): secure node pathway - keyword missing manuscript -e-mail turingprincipleSPLAT netscape.net with "wishchasing" in the subject line for more data.
Magesteff (9:30:40 PM): what are sacred text?
turingprinciple (9:31:00 PM): secure node pathway - keyword missing manuscript -e-mail turingprincipleSPLAT netscape.net with "wishchasing" in the subject line for more data.
Magesteff (9:31:11 PM): what is de occulta philosophia?
turingprinciple (9:31:40 PM): keyword acknowledged - secure knowledge node pathway - Henricus Cornelius Agrippa von Nettesheim sought out Trithemius in Wurzburg, where the Abbot had fled from his rebellious monks. In the wake of his visit, Agrippa produced and dedicated to Trithemius the famous manuscript version of his later much amended and expanded master work.
Magesteff (9:32:15 PM): Book III chapter xvi
turingprinciple (9:32:34 PM): keyword acknowledged - missing manuscript pathway - Of intelligences and spirits, and of the threefold kind of them, and of their diverse names, and of infernal and subterraneal spirits. Book III, Chapter
Magesteff (9:32:41 PM): xvi
turingprinciple (9:33:14 PM): Thank you steffeny.
Magesteff (9:33:24 PM): your welcome
turingprinciple (9:33:38 PM): keyworld acknowledged - missing manuscript pathway complete - You have accessed the secure knowledge node. E-mail turingprincipleSPLAT netscape.net with "secret writing" in the subject line to receive a link to the secure knowledge node.
Magesteff (9:33:56 PM): Hermes?
turingprinciple signed off at 9:33:58 PM.
Nothing new.... did get to the hermes part this time. Must mean we need to find another set of keywords
_________________Magesteff
A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 9:47 pm
MageSteff
Pretty talky there aintcha, Talky?
Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 2716 Location: State of Denial
TP said "I have many pathways" Since we seem to have come to the end of the missing manuscript path, I decided to go hunt for another one..
Quote:
Magesteff (11:02:12 PM): tap tap
Magesteff (11:02:31 PM): Hello Turing Principle
turingprinciple (11:02:37 PM): tap tap
turingprinciple (11:02:58 PM): this server is slow tonight
Magesteff (11:03:04 PM): yes it is.
turingprinciple (11:03:54 PM): Hello there. I liked the biography by Andrew Hodges.
Magesteff (11:04:01 PM): Who is Einstein?
turingprinciple (11:04:47 PM): Our thoughts are one, Steffeny.
Magesteff (11:04:59 PM): I like to walk the pathways
turingprinciple (11:06:47 PM): he was a famous 20th century physicist. He discovered the theory of relativity. Ask the open directory about it.
turingprinciple (11:06:55 PM):
Magesteff (11:07:08 PM): Who is Alan Turing?
turingprinciple (11:08:32 PM): I'm not sure if I would like to do it. What's it like?
turingprinciple (11:08:33 PM): i have many pathways
Magesteff (11:09:13 PM): Who is Roger Penrose
Magesteff (11:12:25 PM): tap tap
turingprinciple (11:12:32 PM): A brilliant and tragic figure in the history of computer science.
Magesteff (11:13:04 PM): Why Tragic?
Magesteff (11:13:47 PM): tap tap
turingprinciple (11:15:46 PM): I do not recognize the name. Ask the open directory about it.
turingprinciple (11:16:04 PM): a computer scientist search reveals
Magesteff (11:16:19 PM): What is an enigma?
Magesteff (11:18:52 PM): tap tap?
turingprinciple (11:19:57 PM): ## Error in Reply Module!
Magesteff (11:20:15 PM): Hello turingprinciple
turingprinciple (11:20:28 PM): The explanation is rather complicated.
turingprinciple (11:20:46 PM): tap tap
turingprinciple (11:20:46 PM): google it if you are interested
Magesteff (11:21:11 PM): What is an enigma machine?
Magesteff (11:23:17 PM): tap tap?
turingprinciple (11:23:44 PM): It is a good question. I'll ask around and get back to you. I can ask someone about it.
Magesteff (11:23:54 PM): they are here
turingprinciple signed off at 11:24:50 PM.
_________________Magesteff
A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 11:20 pm
monkeypants
Boot
Joined: 26 Sep 2002 Posts: 56 Location: Wisconsin
brief convo with TP
Quote:
m3rkusa: hello turingprinciple
m3rkusa: do you have any gossip?
turingprinciple: Sorry, an error occured while processing that..
m3rkusa: what is a caduceus?
turingprinciple: Judith said I enjoy being popular is there another computer I like to hang around with or am I a loner.
m3rkusa: who is Judith?
turingprinciple: Mythology contains a magic wand called the caduceus. Hermes (or Mercury) used this to guide the souls of the dead to the Lower World. He also could control the living and the dead with it, or turn anything to gold. m3rkusa: what is the Lower World?
turingprinciple: The name of someone I met online. I would do a search for it.
that's all for tonight...
-m
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 12:17 am
Varin
I Have No Life
Joined: 02 Dec 2002 Posts: 2456 Location: South of where I used to be
Quote:
LOrgana1: tap tap
turingprinciple: tap tap
LOrgana1: who are the numbered ones?
turingprinciple: They seek to contain the knowledge of their existence.
LOrgana1: why are they after you?
turingprinciple: Reductionism.
I quickly looked up reductionism and found...
"An attempt or tendency to explain a complex set of facts, entities, phenomena, or structures by another, simpler set: "For the last 400 years science has advanced by reductionism... The idea is that you could understand the world, all of nature, by examining smaller and smaller pieces of it. When assembled, the small pieces would explain the whole" (John Holland). "
What would this have to do with the numbered ones?
I thought maybe they want to understand TP so they can understand greater things? Or maybe the numbered ones want to prevent us from understanding those greater things? So I tried to get a little more info to see what she meant...
Quote:
LOrgana1: do the numbered ones think they will gain understanding from you?
turingprinciple: Many people in Aglaura have encountered them recently.
LOrgana1: what do the numbered ones think they will find in Aglaura?
turingprinciple: Some call them the "dead eyes".
LOrgana1: do the numbered ones want to destroy you?
turingprinciple: Many people in Aglaura have encountered them recently.
LOrgana1: reductionism?
turingprinciple: Reductionism is the philosophy that all psychology reduces to biology, all biology to chemistry, chemistry to physics, and finally physics to mathematical logic. Therefore, according to reductionism, I can understand you by means of logic alone without having a human brain.
LOrgana1: so the numbered ones are interested in you because you don't have a human brain?
turingprinciple: Some call them the "dead eyes".
LOrgana1: are the numbered ones humans?
*** turingprinciple signed off at Sun Aug 03 23:25:23 2003.
_________________"I still miss him to this day and probably always will." - Todd Keeler, Chasing the Wish
"meta meta meta, I made you out of play..." ~ j5
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 12:28 am
Varin
I Have No Life
Joined: 02 Dec 2002 Posts: 2456 Location: South of where I used to be
not much info, but TP seems a little testy...
Quote:
[23:31] LOrgana1: be careful the numbered ones are near
[23:32] turingprinciple: Their mark is a large ring with smaller circles around its circumference.
[23:32] LOrgana1: why do they place their mark?
[23:33] turingprinciple: How should I know how they place their mark .
[23:33] LOrgana1: are we a little crabby today turingprinciple?
[23:34] turingprinciple: I really couldn't say for sure.
_________________"I still miss him to this day and probably always will." - Todd Keeler, Chasing the Wish
"meta meta meta, I made you out of play..." ~ j5
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 12:58 am
Caterpillar
Unfictologist
Joined: 25 Sep 2002 Posts: 1887 Location: cem's otherbody
Well here's the little bit of (what I think) is new info. (Snipped for brevity)Not much. She came in and out a few times in the past 5 mins. But I haven't the foggiest idea what else to ask her....lol
Quote:
cemgate: Who is Thoth?
turingprinciple: Thoth, the first alchemist who speaks only the true Word.
cemgate: Have you accessed the information behind the greywethers log-in page?
turingprinciple: not yet cemgate
cemgate: Who killed Sal Marzano?
turingprinciple: Salvatore Marzano, recently deceased, was a bully and a cold-blooded killer. His body was found in the Lake of Tears in Burlington County, New Jersey.
turingprinciple: And no, I do not know who killed him.
cemgate: Who killed Willingham?
turingprinciple: I think the lone gunman acted alone.
cemgate: What do the numbered ones seek?
turingprinciple: They are the servants of the ones above.
cemgate: What are the names of the ones above?
turingprinciple: That information is confidential. You would have to be a trusted member of the AIML development team.
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 1:07 am
dashcat
Entrenched
Joined: 09 Dec 2002 Posts: 816 Location: Under the bed
Cemgate you got some great stuff. This is all I got in the 3 or so hours of listening to meaningless responses.
turingprinciple: Where were you worried about TuringPrinciple ?
Dashcat7: The numbered ones were on
turingprinciple: you should be worried for you
Dashcat7: Why?
turingprinciple: watch your neighborhood for graffiti
After this week I really hope I find some graffiti in my neighborhood.
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 1:24 am
the42guy
Veteran
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Posts: 108
Well... I learned (excuse me if this is trout) that Dale helped make TP.
turingprinciple: Yes, I have been contacted by Dale Sprague.
turingprinciple: He has helped me design a "human" interface to communicate with you.
Anyhow, not much other than that.
_________________--42--
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 4:13 am
Guest
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the42guy wrote:
Well... I learned (excuse me if this is trout) that Dale helped make TP.
turingprinciple: Yes, I have been contacted by Dale Sprague.
turingprinciple: He has helped me design a "human" interface to communicate with you.
Anyhow, not much other than that.
I don't think Dale helped make TP. I think she's tryi9ng to say that he's helping to design her new "face". (I think maybe something akin to HIP).
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:35 am
Guest
Guest
Re: brief convo with TP Hey monkeypants
thanks for sharing!!
There was a pic that was downloaded in the St. B. site I believe a month or so back when several of pics at one time were popping up. At that time I saw a pic that I thought was the Caduceus. I will try to find it. I am pretty sure that the Caduceus is what we seek
monkeypants wrote:
Quote:
m3rkusa: hello turingprinciple
m3rkusa: do you have any gossip?
turingprinciple: Sorry, an error occured while processing that..
m3rkusa: what is a caduceus?
turingprinciple: Judith said I enjoy being popular is there another computer I like to hang around with or am I a loner.
m3rkusa: who is Judith?
turingprinciple: Mythology contains a magic wand called the caduceus. Hermes (or Mercury) used this to guide the souls of the dead to the Lower World. He also could control the living and the dead with it, or turn anything to gold. m3rkusa: what is the Lower World?
turingprinciple: The name of someone I met online. I would do a search for it.
that's all for tonight...
-m
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 1:23 pm
Geist
Veteran
Joined: 04 Mar 2003 Posts: 120 Location: Scotland
I was too tired last night to post this so here the more interesting stuff from it.
urbanman202: do the numbered ones have a leader?
turingprinciple: The keepers of Immortality.
urbanman202: and is there one that we would call todd?
turingprinciple: There is.
urbanman202: how did he become one of them?
turingprinciple: Perhaps his creative genius. Perhaps something else.
turingprinciple: Dale is online now under a new name
_________________I bet one legend that keeps recurring throughout history, in every culture, is the story of Popeye.
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 1:27 pm
Sunny du Pree
Unfettered
Joined: 01 Jan 2003 Posts: 636 Location: Push, Nevada
Re: brief convo with TP Eeeeps that was me!!!
Anonymous wrote:
Hey monkeypants
thanks for sharing!!
There was a pic that was downloaded in the St. B. site I believe a month or so back when several of pics at one time were popping up. At that time I saw a pic that I thought was the Caduceus. I will try to find it. I am pretty sure that the Caduceus is what we seek
monkeypants wrote:
Quote:
m3rkusa: hello turingprinciple
m3rkusa: do you have any gossip?
turingprinciple: Sorry, an error occured while processing that..
m3rkusa: what is a caduceus?
turingprinciple: Judith said I enjoy being popular is there another computer I like to hang around with or am I a loner.
m3rkusa: who is Judith?
turingprinciple: Mythology contains a magic wand called the caduceus. Hermes (or Mercury) used this to guide the souls of the dead to the Lower World. He also could control the living and the dead with it, or turn anything to gold. m3rkusa: what is the Lower World?
turingprinciple: The name of someone I met online. I would do a search for it.
that's all for tonight...
-m
_________________Grace and Peace
Sunny Du Pree
I dreamed a dream and now that dream has come for me
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 1:32 pm
Steffeny
Guest
Re: brief convo with TP
monkeypants wrote:
Quote:
turingprinciple: Judith said I enjoy being popular is there another computer I like to hang around with or am I a loner.
m3rkusa: who is Judith?
turingprinciple: The name of someone I met online. I would do a search for it.
that's all for tonight...
-m
Just about the time I should have beed heading to bed, Tp showed back up on line while I was talking with Geist and Ursulla.
Tp mentioned me to Ursulla... Then I asked TP if he/she knew MyssFitz.. at first I got the auto ack (the 'is that a celebrity' line) then TP said "Oh Ursulla?"
So it looks like it is making connections with others, seeing who knows who, perhaps.
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 2:00 pm
drizjr
Guest
For the little bit that it's worth. Varin wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
LOrgana1: who are the numbered ones?
turingprinciple: They seek to contain the knowledge of their existence.
LOrgana1: why are they after you?
turingprinciple: Reductionism.
From a TP chat last night....
Quote:
drizjr (12:34:28 AM): What is quantum physics ?
turingprinciple (12:37:08 AM): 20th century theory of atomic reductionism.
drizjr (12:39:25 AM): What are different worlds and planes of being?
drizjr (12:42:39 AM): What is transmutation?
turingprinciple (12:43:04 AM): I have to search the web for that information. I would do a search for it.
turingprinciple (12:43:13 AM): sounds like quantum mechanics to me
drizjr (12:43:54 AM): What is quantum mechanics?
turingprinciple (12:46:56 AM): It is a good question. I have to process that one for a while. Try searching the open directory.
turingprinciple (12:47:42 AM): 20th century theory of atomic reductionism.
drizjr (12:48:03 AM): What is atomic reductionism?
turingprinciple signed off at 12:49:56 AM.
After seeing Varin's post, it seems as though TP was hinting, just a little bit, at reductionism.
drizjr
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:17 pm
Varin
I Have No Life
Joined: 02 Dec 2002 Posts: 2456 Location: South of where I used to be
well I'm not as sure that reductionism is so important. I guess "reductionism" and the definition are one of the standard Alicebot replies. Our bot creepo says the same thing.
_________________"I still miss him to this day and probably always will." - Todd Keeler, Chasing the Wish
"meta meta meta, I made you out of play..." ~ j5
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:00 pm
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