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theonetruebix
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FrozenFade wrote:
Vans email said "know the stars of Cassiopeia and you will know when you've reached your destination."

Well we now know about Alpha Cas and Omega Cas. This seems very much to be pointing us to MSL and the Alpha Omega Game


Pretty clearly.

And I've said this before, but: Don't get me wrong I will bow down before the PMs if MSL is fake and in-game rather than real and the puppetmasters. But I'm jut not convinced that whoever is running this thing was putting things in place a full six months ago to make MSL look like a real company, rather than them simply actually being a real company that asked for artists six months ago.

The current evidence suggests real, not fake. If the evidence swings the other way, I'll freely admit it. Heh.
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Nighthawk wrote:
OK then, so would you work for a company that simply says "hey, we're looking for artists", yet know nothing about them? Also, do they not have any staff on site?


Well, we don't know what any artists who contacted them were told about them, do we? There's no reason for them to post an exhaustive company history and game description when seeking artists. In fact, it would be a competitive disadvantage for them to reveal much that early.

And having staff on site is irrelevant. How do you get staff? You hire them. How do you hire them? You announce you need people. That's what they did. Especially when it comes to artists for something of this type, they aren't going to have artists lined up from Step One.

From an Occam's Razor standpoint, the evidence we have right now says MSL is real. It's the simplest explanation for the evidence we have.

I'm still entirely open to it being otherwise. But there's simply no real evidence to support the "MSL is fake" proposition right now.
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theonetruebix wrote:
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Look at all the sites listed at Royama. Most have quotes from TM and people that worked at a ex-military contractor that built interactive simulations and training stuff.


Im having trouble finding this. Can you give me a clicktrail to find them?


http://www.royamadesign.com/clientgallery.html

I don't see the "military contractor" stuff.

Oh, how's this... This Thomas McLaughlin is AMAZING!

http://www.jordanfl.com/talent.html

Quote:
Thomas McLaughlin - Director of Sales & Marketing


He's Director of Sales and Marketing for TWO companies?!? He gets around!

At least we know what he looks like now. HA!

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theonetruebix wrote:
LazyGuest wrote:
Look at all the sites listed at Royama. Most have quotes from TM and people that worked at a ex-military contractor that built interactive simulations and training stuff.


Im having trouble finding this. Can you give me a clicktrail to find them?


http://www.worldquestresort.com/thankyou.html bottom of page
http://www.royamadesign.com/ Work link in menu on left.

Tom M's name is on at least 3 of those sites that can reached through the work display.

the military contractor I'm referencing is LearnStream mentioned at Royama and Verus.

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theonetruebix wrote:
From an Occam's Razor standpoint, the evidence we have right now says MSL is real. It's the simplest explanation for the evidence we have.

I'm still entirely open to it being otherwise. But there's simply no real evidence to support the "MSL is fake" proposition right now.


I admit, for the most part, I'm having fun with this and the whole MSL thing.

My main problem with them is how they're doing thing. I've worked for companies developing product before, and I associate with people heavily in to the RPG world (some of them have had articles in Dragon, published short stories and modules, worked with RPG-related companies, etc...).

If it weren't for the two things that are hard to deny...

1) As you say, a fake company wouldn't be trying to hire people six months ago.

2) A fake company wouldn't have a booth at GenCon Indy.

...beyond that, this company screams of ARG, doesn't it?

Occam's Razor... OK, I'll buy that. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

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Nighthawk wrote:
2) A fake company wouldn't have a booth at GenCon Indy.


Oddly, here I disagree with you. It would be the perfect way for a fake/in-game company to toss some real-world interaction into an ARG.
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 		As for Tom McL, given that in the original staff listing on MSL's website (now removed) had him listed as "The Suit", I rather suspect that HE, in fact, is the venture capital partner MSL has referred to.

With his educational history in business, information technology, and entrepreneurship, I suspect the reason we ever encountered his name is because he, in fact, is the puppetmaster here, and at least in the early stages, he simply didn't do a very good job of it (hence our tying Van Mantra's original mailing address directly to Tom).
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 		Crap... Duh. Well, yes, that's a possibility.

Well, whatever. We need to be focusing on the "game" itself. Cassiopeia, Divinus, Stevenson, et. al.

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theonetruebix wrote:
As for Tom McL, given that in the original staff listing on MSL's website (now removed) had him listed as "The Suit", I rather suspect that HE, in fact, is the venture capital partner MSL has referred to.

With his educational history in business, information technology, and entrepreneurship, I suspect the reason we ever encountered his name is because he, in fact, is the puppetmaster here, and at least in the early stages, he simply didn't do a very good job of it (hence our tying Van Mantra's original mailing address directly to Tom).


That might make sense and as for being the Director of Sales and Marketing for all these companies- maybe he doesn't "really" work for them but is more of a consultant like and runs a marketing firm that takes over these things for smaller companies so they don;t have to do it themselves? it could be one possibility- still it is a little (or a lot) odd

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Nighthawk wrote:
Crap... Duh. Well, yes, that's a possibility.

Well, whatever. We need to be focusing on the "game" itself. Cassiopeia, Divinus, Stevenson, et. al.


I'm a reasonably bright guy. I can focus on both.
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 		I can't. I'm too busy trying to figure out how Voltron's going to destroy New York.

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 		More Tom
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Tom listed w/pictures at a site detailing history of TSR/Wizards of the cost and the creation of D&D.

http://www.ptolus.com/cgi-bin/page.cgi?mc_los_141


Can someone tell me how I should be listing stuff about the game that may or may not be in-game so I don't offend? I swear I will sign up soon. This stuff is too fun not to.

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LazyGuest wrote:
Tom listed w/pictures at a site detailing history of TSR/Wizards of the cost and the creation of D&D.

http://www.ptolus.com/cgi-bin/page.cgi?mc_los_141


Why did it take us this long to find this? Heh.

Oddly, that picture and the one on the Jordan Development page don't look like the same person to me. But, it kind of has to be, doesn't it?
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Tom listed w/pictures at a site detailing history of TSR/Wizards of the cost and the creation of D&D.

http://www.ptolus.com/cgi-bin/page.cgi?mc_los_141


Can someone tell me how I should be listing stuff about the game that may or may not be in-game so I don't offend? I swear I will sign up soon. This stuff is too fun not to.


Damn, where'd that come from? This guy worked at TSR?!?

Well... him sitting next to Dale "Slade" Henson does it for me. Can't really deny that one. Hell, I probably still own a few of his modules.

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theonetruebix wrote:
Oddly, that picture and the one on the Jordan Development page don't look like the same person to me. But, it kind of has to be, doesn't it?


Not surprising; the TSR picture is sixteen years old.

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