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[META][TRAILHEAD] 1-18-08: Possible new arg/puzzle?
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HetMasteen
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 		A movie about a non-Christian apocalypse would not draw enough crowds to make money. It will be banned by the church, and the hype will just polarize people.

And yes, being an Israeli, the Torah and Bible do indeed contain many real clues involving Gematria, and other methods.

Regarding the Bible Code, it's hard for me to believe it, but there are some startling coincidences there.... Several, in fact.
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HetMasteen wrote:
A movie about a non-Christian apocalypse would not draw enough crowds to make money. It will be banned by the church, and the hype will just polarize people.

And yes, being an Israeli, the Torah and Bible do indeed contain many real clues involving Gematria, and other methods.

Regarding the Bible Code, it's hard for me to believe it, but there are some startling coincidences there.... Several, in fact.


OMG! just saw your avatar! I love Giger!

Okay carry on.
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sevon wrote:
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in the new pic on 1-18-08, just to the left of the (2) women running, does that figure look like he has a rifle, and has it up in position to aim & fire?


Ragtime Pianist did some brightening and adjustments on the photo a few pages back in this thread. To me, looks more like somebody just looking opposite the direction the gals are running in. But since all we have is a ghostly silhouette, even that is hard to tell.


then you have a ghoulish chick w/ the 9 on her in the party picture, the crazy black foggy devil thing between the 2 girls in the second photo, and this guy running in the fog, either towards the explosion, or shooting at it

probably looking too much into this, but there are freakydeaky people (or things) in each of the pics

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 		Not all Christians fit into the uber-conservative role that tends to be thrust upon them, as I believe ArtherEld was saying. I don't consider myself a Christian, but as a horror fan, I would find the idea of a Biblical apocalypse movie quite intriguing as long as the dogma were left by the wayside and we were left with the pure war and destruction that the Apocalypse would entail. I mean, the battle of Armageddon is supposed to end up with so many dead that blood would run as high as the head on a horse. How sweet would THAT be in a movie!

But just for the record, I personally don't believe that's what's going on here. I'm expecting a more just mysterious monster outta nowhere kinda flick.
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officespacejk wrote:
the crazy black foggy devil thing between the 2 girls in the second photo, and this guy running in the fog, either towards the explosion, or shooting at it


Pretty sure the "crazy black foggy devil" thing between the gals is just their hair. It's like seeing an image in the clouds. Our brains are quite adept at seeing faces where there are none; I cite the Virgin Mary grilled cheese!
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 		Hmmm...
At badrobot.com in the page source i found a name: Athena Wickham. If you search Athena Wickham, you'll find an entry in imdb.com, that he was an assistant of J.J. Abraams in several Movies and Series like Alias.
Ideas?

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 		Re: Hmmm...
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At badrobot.com in the page source i found a name: Athena Wickham. If you search Athena Wickham, you'll find an entry in imdb.com, that he was an assistant of J.J. Abraams in several Movies and Series like Alias.
Ideas?


That name is contained in the meta data for the page's author. Considering she's Abram's assistant, and it's a site for Abrams production company...yeah, I'd say she was just the one who made the page, that's all Smile
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 		Just take a few deep breaths and calm down...
We have a little more than SIX MONTHS before this movie opens, so it seems whoever is behind this little treasure hunt (no real sign yet that it is really a full-blown ARG with a characters or plot, though we'll see what happens with SLUSHO!) is taking their time, and so should we.

The 1-18-08.com photos are just that: snapshots taken by a single person (if the timestamp assumes it's all the same camera) or multiple people we don't yet know, documenting the party from the trailer, and the destructive event(s) that follow.

After getting all worked up about this, I took a step back and realized that there is no strong argument for any hidden images or symbols or meanings in any of these photos, and there is not even any evidence that they were meant to be interpreted that way. But many of us who *want* this to launch right into a cool new ARG so far in advance of the film's opening are letting that impatience get in the way of rational observation.

Think about it: they're still SHOOTING this movie. So how to promote it this early, and why?

Surprise your audience with a really cool, mysterious, menacing trailer that is guaranteed to produce buzz outside the theater, knowing it will drive them (like the sheep we are) to the interweb to find out what the hell it means.

Keep your "official" website just as mysterious by using images to begin slowly hinting at your story (until you have more material ready to share). And make those images real snapshots that don't reveal much on their own, but can be linked within a larger context.

- PHOTO 1 is just a close up of two girls faces. THERE IS NO "DEVIL" IN THE MIDDLE, IT'S JUST A TRICK OF YOUR MIND. It's the look in their eyes that is meant to imply something terrible is being witnessed by these two people.

- PHOTO 2 is just a bunch of kids partying, saying goodbye to their friend and drinking, having a good time. It establishes a timeline compared to the photo before, but it doesn't contain hidden messages.

- PHOTO 3 is of people fleeing the aftermath of an explosion, with a fire behind them, smoke in the air. They are stressed, traumatized. Maybe they're looking at a horrible scene of death and destruction. I was in NYC on 9/11 and much of the city was like this, people walking in a daze, others running to find someone or help someone in need. It's a photo of the confusion and trauma that presumably follows whatever that explosion is in the trailer. And it adds another piece to the timeline.

I don't think there is anything hidden or added to ANY of these individual photos. Feel free to prove me wrong, but I think they only mean something within a larger context, together, over time, and with whatever is still to come.

In other words, I am agreeing with those who've said before that we just need to be patient. Right now, the only real information I see at the 1-18-08.com is that the numbers in the photo timecodes give us a timeline of events (and may possibly have larger meaning), and the date itself (1-18-08) keeps pointing to the number six:

1+1+8+0+8 = 18

18 = 6+6+6 (evil!)

and of course, SIX is a big part of the SLUSHO! mystery, which we've already confirmed is connected to this movie. And I think that's where all the more intriguing puzzles are right now.

I think we should keep an eye on 1-18-08.com, make note of what happens there and when, but not go too far off the edge to insist on finding things that just aren't really there.

For my money, all the best puzzles are at SLUSHO! right now, which is also changing lately, and I'm betting there is information there that will lead us to the next hidden part of this trail JJ Abrams and company are leading us on...

Take a look at the ideas being discussed at the SLUSHO! forum and participate!


http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20076

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 		Re: Just take a few deep breaths and calm down...
Skippy, I'm not quoting the whole big post again, but I actually agree with you. The only reason this is being focused on so intently as a potential ARG is because of the initial believed connection with Ethan Haas. If that hadn't happened, and we'd taken 1-18-08.com at face value, we probably wouldn't be in this forum having this discussion right now.

As much as people have been focusing on this, if there were anything to find in those pictures, they'd have been found by now. We all need to sit back, chill, maybe a grab a coffee or a cola, and just wait to see what they have in store for us. Though there are some very intriguing things on the slusho.jp site, indeed...
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so our hands are reaching everywhere even to seemingly the ridiculous


Which is why this thread is 163 pages and hasn't accomplished anything.

And again, this isn't about your religion or whether you're one of those or not. This is about the reality, clear as water reality, that nothing about what we've been presented either in the trailer, or both sites, even remotely alludes to or otherwise suggests or implies there is any religious connotation whatsoever. NADA.

Further, one more time, ALL of the references to any religious connotation being implied or suggested by others is always western/christianity, as opposed to any Asian religion which - if they were gonna go religion route given these factual elements, would likely BE Asian, NOT christianity.

For the record, I seriously doubt making this a movie with a religious base, let alone creating an ARG with one could be considered "broadening his horizons" - if anything, like some other games that use religion, it would show he got tired of being creative and couldn't come up with anything more ingenius than the cliche' and done to death "battle for souls between good and evil" and like it was presented above, it would likely bomb.

Nevertheless, nothing about this implies a religious base. And you can't point to any bit of it that does without conjuring up vague illogical connections like seeing Page 1 paragraph 18 OMG IT'S A CLUE!

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sevon wrote:
Not all Christians fit into the uber-conservative role that tends to be thrust upon them, as I believe ArtherEld was saying. I don't consider myself a Christian, but as a horror fan, I would find the idea of a Biblical apocalypse movie quite intriguing as long as the dogma were left by the wayside and we were left with the pure war and destruction that the Apocalypse would entail. I mean, the battle of Armageddon is supposed to end up with so many dead that blood would run as high as the head on a horse. How sweet would THAT be in a movie!

But just for the record, I personally don't believe that's what's going on here. I'm expecting a more just mysterious monster outta nowhere kinda flick.


I'm actually thinking the same thing. We probably have to consider more of a "time-n-place" idea when it comes to a movie like this. We're probably not going to get a clear explanation about what the thing is. With the way it's filmed, everyone probably just cares about survival.

In that though, I expect to see characters in the movie to be calling it everything from Godzilla to Cthuhlu to Rosie O'Donnell because no one knows what it is. Actually scarrier that way.

This ARG though may give us info we wouldn't get in the movie.
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sevon wrote:

Pretty sure the "crazy black foggy devil" thing between the gals is just their hair. It's like seeing an image in the clouds. Our brains are quite adept at seeing faces where there are none; I cite the Virgin Mary grilled cheese!


Right!

kelebrindae wrote:

Is it me, or the two girls on the second photo at 1-18-08.com are the ones we see at 1:27 of the trailer (right of the screen) ?

If so, it quite discards the "demon behind them" theory:
- First photo during the party at 12:01
- Second photo at 12:36, minutes after the explosion and just before the SoL head crashes in the street
- Third at 12:48 in the streets covered by smoke (from the explosion, or from the destruction of a big building -> what's in the way between the SoL and Rob's appartment ?).

So, if the "monster" comes from the sea, destroys a tanker or a military ship at 12:33-34 (=> big explosion), and finally beheads the SoL at 12:36, it's very unlikely that any critter related to this monster could be just behind the girls exactly at the same time, isn't it ?
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 		Re: Just take a few deep breaths and calm down...
sevon wrote:
The only reason this is being focused on so intently as a potential ARG is because of the initial believed connection with Ethan Haas. If that hadn't happened, and we'd taken 1-18-08.com at face value, we probably wouldn't be in this forum having this discussion right now.


Good point! Damn you, Ethan Haas and your meddling!!

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ArtherEld wrote:
HetMasteen wrote:
A movie about a non-Christian apocalypse would not draw enough crowds to make money. It will be banned by the church, and the hype will just polarize people.

And yes, being an Israeli, the Torah and Bible do indeed contain many real clues involving Gematria, and other methods.

Regarding the Bible Code, it's hard for me to believe it, but there are some startling coincidences there.... Several, in fact.


OMG! just saw your avatar! I love Giger!

Okay carry on.


PM'ed you ArthurEld.
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tinag222 wrote:
This is about the reality, clear as water reality


Look I agree looking at all the Bible referrences about apocolypse is reaching too far. I highly doubt the monster is going to be a 50 foot Michael the Archeangel.

However when people look at a picture and see something like a time 12:36 and say, "well the Bible uses that same format for referrence" and look up Matthew 12:36, that is not reaching. That's just good investigating. And puzzles have been solved that very same way many a time.

P.S. Not saying this has anything to do with Matt. 12:36 either. But I won't debunk it as, again, we really don't have a lot to go on. I'll just sit and wait, since we have 6 months.
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