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[META][TRAILHEAD] 1-18-08: Possible new arg/puzzle?
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HetMasteen
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tinag222 wrote:

Which is why this thread is 163 pages and hasn't accomplished anything.


I disagree with you completely. I think part of these forums are to serve as the community behind the events. I find it entirely reasonable for people to "sit around and discuss" this trailer/website/ARG/viral-puzzle-thingy.
Aside from certain people rehashing things over and over again, most of the general discussion here has been fascinating in my opinion. The cataloging of information, and lateral searches for clues are part of the fun. I'm getting serious not-pr0n flashbacks here! Very Happy

I find glaring at a computer screen until 5 in the morning searching craigslist for items being sold by an imaginary character in a movie to be both incredibly frustrating, and unbelievably exhilarating.

Anyway, on with more IG topics...
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ArtherEld wrote:
However when people look at a picture and see something like a time 12:36 and say, "well the Bible uses that same format for referrence" and look up Matthew 12:36, that is not reaching. That's just good investigating. And puzzles have been solved that very same way many a time.


Agreed! Good point, though I think we all wish those numbers led to something else besides a Bible verse (and what numbers don't lead to a Bible verse in some way?) that seems to echo events we've seen in the trailer.

Damn, I really hate waiting sometimes. I could really use a nice tequila Slusho right about now - or six!

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 		Cross-referencing numbers with Bible verses is reaching. Scouring a photo to look for vague shapes that slightly resemble numbers, demons, etc, is reaching.

That does not mean it is bad investigating. The quality of investigation is defined by the results it generates, period. All avenues, no matter how absurd or seemingly irrelevant, should be open for consideration.

I do wish more people would employ Occam's Razor a bit more effectively. Such as: these websites do not appear to be part of an ARG. I suspect this is simply viral marketing, and no storyline is present. Until evidence of a storyline emerges, I am going to have to treat this as viral, nothing more.

I think all clues have been found. I think the websites obviously do not have hidden links, whois lookups don't have any more info, etc etc etc. There's nothing more to investigate, until the producers of this marketing enterprise give us more.

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 		Re: Just take a few deep breaths and calm down...
SkippySkip wrote:
We have a little more than SIX MONTHS before this movie opens, so it seems whoever is behind this little treasure hunt (no real sign yet that it is really a full-blown ARG with a characters or plot, though we'll see what happens with SLUSHO!) is taking their time, and so should we.

The 1-18-08.com photos are just that: snapshots taken by a single person (if the timestamp assumes it's all the same camera) or multiple people we don't yet know, documenting the party from the trailer, and the destructive event(s) that follow.

After getting all worked up about this, I took a step back and realized that there is no strong argument for any hidden images or symbols or meanings in any of these photos, and there is not even any evidence that they were meant to be interpreted that way. But many of us who *want* this to launch right into a cool new ARG so far in advance of the film's opening are letting that impatience get in the way of rational observation.

Think about it: they're still SHOOTING this movie. So how to promote it this early, and why?

Surprise your audience with a really cool, mysterious, menacing trailer that is guaranteed to produce buzz outside the theater, knowing it will drive them (like the sheep we are) to the interweb to find out what the hell it means.

Keep your "official" website just as mysterious by using images to begin slowly hinting at your story (until you have more material ready to share). And make those images real snapshots that don't reveal much on their own, but can be linked within a larger context.

- PHOTO 1 is just a close up of two girls faces. THERE IS NO "DEVIL" IN THE MIDDLE, IT'S JUST A TRICK OF YOUR MIND. It's the look in their eyes that is meant to imply something terrible is being witnessed by these two people.

- PHOTO 2 is just a bunch of kids partying, saying goodbye to their friend and drinking, having a good time. It establishes a timeline compared to the photo before, but it doesn't contain hidden messages.

- PHOTO 3 is of people fleeing the aftermath of an explosion, with a fire behind them, smoke in the air. They are stressed, traumatized. Maybe they're looking at a horrible scene of death and destruction. I was in NYC on 9/11 and much of the city was like this, people walking in a daze, others running to find someone or help someone in need. It's a photo of the confusion and trauma that presumably follows whatever that explosion is in the trailer. And it adds another piece to the timeline.

I don't think there is anything hidden or added to ANY of these individual photos. Feel free to prove me wrong, but I think they only mean something within a larger context, together, over time, and with whatever is still to come.

In other words, I am agreeing with those who've said before that we just need to be patient. Right now, the only real information I see at the 1-18-08.com is that the numbers in the photo timecodes give us a timeline of events (and may possibly have larger meaning), and the date itself (1-18-0Cool keeps pointing to the number six:

This has been the most sensible post in the entire thread.

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HetMasteen wrote:
A movie about a non-Christian apocalypse would not draw enough crowds to make money. It will be banned by the church, and the hype will just polarize people.


You mean kind of like that box-office flop Independence Day or that TV miniseries that like three people watched because they were afraid of "the church" called The Stand. That darned Jericho show didn't get but like four viewers either, as I recall. Wink

Really, how many movies have there been about a "Christian" apocalypse? Aside from the recent "Left Behind" movies, I'd say the grand total was none.
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sevon wrote:
...but as a horror fan, I would find the idea of a Biblical apocalypse movie quite intriguing as long as the dogma were left by the wayside and we were left with the pure war and destruction that the Apocalypse would entail...


Not quite sure how you do that considering that the entire purpose of the Apocalypse according to the Bible is to usher into the Kingdom of Heaven and vanquish the Devil forever. I mean, at that final battle, the winning army descends from Heaven led by Jesus brandishing, as I recall, a flaming sword. That about as much dogma as you can get in a movie, I'd think. Smile

That's kind of like asking for a pitcher of sweet tea without the sugar in it.

Or tea.
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JimmieBJr wrote:

That's kind of like asking for a pitcher of sweet tea without the sugar in it.

Or tea.


Well, true. But it would, like most movies based on a book, be more of an adaptation than a direct translation Smile
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 		Apoc and post-apoc movies are actually my favorite Cool . (Even though it seems half the time I'm alone on that. Like "28 Days Later" got great reviews which I liked, but I'm the only person who likes "Waterworld"). And like Jimmie pointed out, most of them have nothing to do with religion.

However that doesn't stop from putting in a character or two (be it a main principal character or a passing raving lunatic) who thinks the end times are Biblical. Happens almost everytime, if not everytime. That's just realistic. A variety of characters, some who think it's the 666 Beast and some who think it's just natural selection going, "Aaaah crap! I missed something." So Bible verse clues are not unheard of here even if it has nothing to do with religion.
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 		Alright just for those who cant see how an explosion or smoke pulse works in a built up environment such as a city.
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 		taking a step back
ok, to take a step back, what do we really know? JJ did a low budget film, that had a trailer infront of the Transformers. the date was shown boldly, by itself, in the trailer and is a website that references the movie. Slusho is a false company/brand that JJ has used before, and was referenced in the trailer. there are 3 pics at 1-18-08, of which, nothing seems to be hidden ('specially in the newest, as you can't see much beyond the fireball).

slusho hasn't lead anywhere yet, neither has 1-18-08. i have a very bad feeling that this is going to be an anticlimactic movie, after all the priming to the lead up. i hope i'm wrong though. i'm going to pop over to the slusho thread and see if anybody's found anything new.

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JimmieBJr wrote:
HetMasteen wrote:
A movie about a non-Christian apocalypse would not draw enough crowds to make money. It will be banned by the church, and the hype will just polarize people.


You mean kind of like that box-office flop Independence Day or that TV miniseries that like three people watched because they were afraid of "the church" called The Stand. That darned Jericho show didn't get but like four viewers either, as I recall. Wink

Really, how many movies have there been about a "Christian" apocalypse? Aside from the recent "Left Behind" movies, I'd say the grand total was none.


What I meant is a movie influenced by a dogmatic apocalypse. The dogma being non-Christian.

ID4 was about an alien invasion. The Stand was about a super-flu (and it DID contain many many Christian elements!). Jericho was about nuclear bombs (don't want to spoil it for those who haven't seen the entire season yet). none of them had anything to do with a religion other than Christianity.


ArtherEld wrote:
...but I'm the only person who likes "Waterworld"


I liked Waterworld. Dennis Hopper was awesome in that movie. I think people just can't stand Kevin Costner.
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 		Re: taking a step back
officespacejk wrote:

slusho hasn't lead anywhere yet, neither has 1-18-08. i have a very bad feeling that this is going to be an anticlimactic movie, after all the priming to the lead up. i hope i'm wrong though. i'm going to pop over to the slusho thread and see if anybody's found anything new.


Not much priming; a mysterious trailer and a few odd websites. The only hype generated has been, again, user-generated hype because of Ethan Haas. I think it best at this point to lower expectations somewhat to fend off disappointment. After all, if I'm wrong and all this does lead into a killer ARG, your expectations are lowered anyway and it's a nice suprise.
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Crap. Gamejackers... Mad


The reason I went there in the first place was to try and find the street address for the Bad Robot offices. I want to take a look at them with Google Earth. Maybe they got a word of a Google flyover and put something on the roof...


Hi all. First post. I read 76 pages of this yesterday and then my head exploded, so I'm just trying to stay current on the last ten or so instead. Cool

I'm more of a film geek (um, I too loved Waterworld) and new to ARG, so forgive me if I'm not following protocol, but I thought I'd share this:

http://www.j-j-abrams.com/bad_robot.html

The "real" Bad Robot web site. A lot less interesting (found nothing there, really). Good luck with the address, though. Most production companies don't list them, but if you ask, they might tell you...

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 		Christianity is the world's leading religion, especially in the US, where our entire culture is based on it. I think it's safe to assume that most religious apocalyptic movies are going to revolve around Christian ideas. But there's nothing that suggests this movie has anything to do with religion or the apocalypse.

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sea_dot wrote:
The "real" Bad Robot web site. A lot less interesting (found nothing there, really). Good luck with the address, though. Most production companies don't list them, but if you ask, they might tell you...


Clearly someone who doesn't follow lost...good luck getting any answers out of anyone even remotely connected to JJ!
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