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[META][TRAILHEAD] 1-18-08: Possible new arg/puzzle?
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HetMasteen wrote:
Melampus wrote:
Erikson wrote:
I'm not even sure anymore what the clues are supposed to lead us to. I mean are they supposed to tell us what an original monster looks like? Is it supposed to reveal the name that they said will be revealed later? What are we trying to find out?

If it's based off of an animal lets start eliminating the already used animals. Lizard (including dinosaurs) , Monkey , Squid , Moth , Worm , Marshmellow (?), and for good measure lets strike of Robot .

Maybe it is a shark with legs! That's pretty original. Or a mutant whale that had his brother speared and he's out for revenge. Oh maybe it's a giant duck because of the whole land/air/sea thing on Slusho! After all it does say Ducky on the .jpg's! (yes I know that doesn't mean anything!)

Bah! ARG's normally aren't this hard, are they?


People have been spending soooo much time and energy trying to predict what's going to be in the movie, but the movie will most likely be the starting point for the ARG, in the same way that watching LOST was the starting point for playing "The Lost Experience." The ARG will most likely involve the backstory - the explanation as to where the monster came from and why it attacked NYC, but NOT what's going to actually be in the movie itself. They want the ARG to be something people can play for a while - if it's about predicting what you'll actually be able to just watch in January, then it would be rather pointless. That would be like playing "The Lost Experience" in order to find out what happened in some episode of LOST. Finding out stuff that's NOT in any episode - now, that makes sense. And, finding out stuff that's NOT going to be in the movie would also make sense, i.e., backstory.

Also, this is going to be a hand-held Blair Witch style movie, so there probably won't be any explanation given AT ALL about what's happening and why. Maybe a little - in the beginning or end - but, if it's going to maintain any kind of "realism" at all, then there's no plausible way that we'll learn anything about the origin of the monster during the viedos of Rob & company fleeing the attack. If Rob is somehow 'involved' or if they happen to bump into some wild-eyed scientist who tells all - anything like that would be way too formulaic to be "realistic." A realistic movie would have them running for their lives, but not knowing anything other than what they actually witness. If you were in an attack on NYC, you wouldn't know squat about the how's and why's of it until much later, after it was all over; and even then, it would take a while to ever figure out what actually happened and why. (if you think this wouldn't 'work' for a movie, think of War of the Worlds: no backstory needed there; the aliens attack, it's bedlam, and then they just... die).

If you think about it, the Blair Witch style makes for the perfect ARG companion movie - b/c it's the only style that can get away with NOT revealing much, if any, backstory - and, that way, they can make up whatever the hell they want in the ARG, and they could keep it going for as long as they wanted. AND, the movie will still stand on it's own - again, b/c it's a Blair Witch style approach which needs no explanations of WHY anything's happening. The less explained, the better, in terms of intense realism. What makes this ideal is that playing the ARG won't be required to enjoy the movie - so, they can still market the movie to a mass audience, and at the same time, to ARG fans as well, i.e., the ARG will be totally optional. And, ideally, you'd play the ARG with a copy of the DVD at hand, so you could look for clues that have been planted in the movie itself. Besides, there may not even BE an ARG, just marketing. But, if there is, it will probably not be about predicting what we're going to able to see for ourselves in a few months.

I don't know, though - just a thought.


You hit the nail on the head.

In fact, I was in the US when the Blair Witch Project premiered, and the night before, the Sci-Fi channel aired an ARGish puff piece to build credibility for the movie (i.e pretending the events in the movie were real).
It featured fake interviews with the characters family, and many other material that never featured in the movie.
This totally supports your theory about the actual ARG starting after the movie is aired. I think that in the next six months we'll basically be involved in a scavenger hunt of sorts for various clues about the movie, and it's back story. So we have a long road ahead of us.



I am originally from central FL and was there when the Haxan guys, who made Blair Witch, were there making/editting the film... they may have even still been in college at that point?

They did have a sort of proto-ARG years before the movie even premiered. They used it as a feedback mechanism to gauge initial buzz and cuts of the film.

They had a whole mythology website that had secret links (click a specific letter on a page) and hidden videos embedded in it. This was years before the movie even premiered, let alone the phenomenon took off.

By the time the movie premiered, those of us who had been following it since the beginning (when they had <1k people on their mailing list) had nearly seen the whole movie from secret downloaded clips.

They'd edit a section, create a new clue on the website, we'd find the clip, then give feedback on the forums. They had such a ludicrous amount of raw footage, they needed help in cutting it all down and getting an audiances' reaction. This was the first time I remember really being involved w/ a film project over the web.

Blair Witch tried to continue w/ TV spots, vidoe game tie-ins (they were terrible), and comics that all tied into the greater mythos. So knowing JJ's background w/ LOST, I think this is a strong canidate for that kind of post-movie ARG.

So w/ Cloverfield I bet we get the 1st-person POV monster/disaster/survival film, from which we don't know the whole back story, then afterwards you play the ARG to "understand" what you saw.

Very similar to LOST, how we are experiencing the story from the survivors and Others POV, but the ARG let's you in on the history and back story.

--Kev

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Just my opinion, but you guys keep saying that there's too much energy on finding what the monster will be, by the way J.J. was talking about how Japan has Godzilla and all, and King Kong is really harmless and adorable, he wants the focus of the movie to bring about an original/horrifying monster just for us here in the U.S., I really believe the focus of this ARG is on the monster, and I think we'll be seeing alot of it (the monster) in the movie, rather than quick glimpses.

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That's interesting about Blair Witch... I didn't know they did so much stuff before the movie came out.

They could do stuff like that for Cloverfield (or whatever it'll be called), but obviously, the time-frame is limited. I expect we'll get more stuff on-line before the movie comes out, but the real game (if there is one) won't start until after the movie is released.

Meanwhile, we could still look for sites, myspace pages, etc., that might be related to the movie.

Also, there are many similarities between this movie (or, what we know of it) and the 1953 film, The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms. I'm guessing those similarities are just JJ Abrams doing an homage to that film. (Ray Harryhausen did the stop-motion animation for Beast From 20,000 Fathoms, and apparently, JJ Abrams is a big fan of Harryhausen). Apart from some homage elements, the similarities may (a very tentative 'may') be a clue to some backstory questions. For example, why the hell would a monster target NYC? In Beast From 20,000 Fathoms, the monster was frozen in arctic ice, got woken up by atomic testing, and then returned to its home/mating grounds, which turned out to be infested with humans, i.e., NYC. The point? That makes some kind of plausible sense (once you get past the whole monster... alive in the ice... thing). So, maybe something similar here...? At this point, though, anything is possible.

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sturnteer wrote:
oh stop takin everything to seriously, its only a 'kin film, or is it now illegal to speculate


I just thought it was pretty obvious that it was the morning after, and the aftermath of the whole incident. I has been stated that the movie will start with marines cleaning up the wreckage, and thats pretty much the scene I imagined. And when I saw the smiley of how clever you thought you were or something, I had to speak up. We have 300 pages here and more than half is completely irrelevent, unresearched posts about dim witted theories. So just try to cut back on those.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:43 am
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So what do we know? It's water based, by the posters. The above post by melampus definitely coincides with this (frozen in ice). I know a whole lot of people are saying it isn't Lovecraftian, and I agree since his copyrights are lost to eternity, but BOTH of these concepts are in Lovecraft stories.

Cthulhu is a giant squid-like water god, and in "At the Mountains of Madness" (an EXCELLENT story, I highly recommend) some ancient beings are frozen in the antarctic. Is it not possible that we have a blended homage to Lovecraft by saying, "Global warming causes amphibious flying squid-like monster to be released from icy tomb, anger causes wrath upon humanity"?

PS I hate JJ Abrahms or Adams or w/e.
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This game has most definitely begun!!!

HetMasteen wrote:
Melampus wrote:
Erikson wrote:
I'm not even sure anymore what the clues are supposed to lead us to. I mean are they supposed to tell us what an original monster looks like? Is it supposed to reveal the name that they said will be revealed later? What are we trying to find out?

If it's based off of an animal lets start eliminating the already used animals. Lizard (including dinosaurs) , Monkey , Squid , Moth , Worm , Marshmellow (?), and for good measure lets strike of Robot .

Maybe it is a shark with legs! That's pretty original. Or a mutant whale that had his brother speared and he's out for revenge. Oh maybe it's a giant duck because of the whole land/air/sea thing on Slusho! After all it does say Ducky on the .jpg's! (yes I know that doesn't mean anything!)

Bah! ARG's normally aren't this hard, are they?


People have been spending soooo much time and energy trying to predict what's going to be in the movie, but the movie will most likely be the starting point for the ARG, in the same way that watching LOST was the starting point for playing "The Lost Experience." The ARG will most likely involve the backstory - the explanation as to where the monster came from and why it attacked NYC, but NOT what's going to actually be in the movie itself. They want the ARG to be something people can play for a while - if it's about predicting what you'll actually be able to just watch in January, then it would be rather pointless. That would be like playing "The Lost Experience" in order to find out what happened in some episode of LOST. Finding out stuff that's NOT in any episode - now, that makes sense. And, finding out stuff that's NOT going to be in the movie would also make sense, i.e., backstory.

Also, this is going to be a hand-held Blair Witch style movie, so there probably won't be any explanation given AT ALL about what's happening and why. Maybe a little - in the beginning or end - but, if it's going to maintain any kind of "realism" at all, then there's no plausible way that we'll learn anything about the origin of the monster during the viedos of Rob & company fleeing the attack. If Rob is somehow 'involved' or if they happen to bump into some wild-eyed scientist who tells all - anything like that would be way too formulaic to be "realistic." A realistic movie would have them running for their lives, but not knowing anything other than what they actually witness. If you were in an attack on NYC, you wouldn't know squat about the how's and why's of it until much later, after it was all over; and even then, it would take a while to ever figure out what actually happened and why. (if you think this wouldn't 'work' for a movie, think of War of the Worlds: no backstory needed there; the aliens attack, it's bedlam, and then they just... die).

If you think about it, the Blair Witch style makes for the perfect ARG companion movie - b/c it's the only style that can get away with NOT revealing much, if any, backstory - and, that way, they can make up whatever the hell they want in the ARG, and they could keep it going for as long as they wanted. AND, the movie will still stand on it's own - again, b/c it's a Blair Witch style approach which needs no explanations of WHY anything's happening. The less explained, the better, in terms of intense realism. What makes this ideal is that playing the ARG won't be required to enjoy the movie - so, they can still market the movie to a mass audience, and at the same time, to ARG fans as well, i.e., the ARG will be totally optional. And, ideally, you'd play the ARG with a copy of the DVD at hand, so you could look for clues that have been planted in the movie itself. Besides, there may not even BE an ARG, just marketing. But, if there is, it will probably not be about predicting what we're going to able to see for ourselves in a few months.

I don't know, though - just a thought.


You hit the nail on the head.

In fact, I was in the US when the Blair Witch Project premiered, and the night before, the Sci-Fi channel aired an ARGish puff piece to build credibility for the movie (i.e pretending the events in the movie were real).
It featured fake interviews with the characters family, and many other material that never featured in the movie.
This totally supports your theory about the actual ARG starting after the movie is aired. I think that in the next six months we'll basically be involved in a scavenger hunt of sorts for various clues about the movie, and it's back story. So we have a long road ahead of us.



Sorry, hate to tell you you are wrong.

If you live in the Washington D.C. area ou probably liste to "elliot in the morning" on D.C. 101. If you did you would have heard an odd caller on tuesday morning. He was calling from California telling Elliot that he was sending photos in to him and the show with speilberg with ne of the show t-shirts. Why does this matter you ask.....

The caller (who never Identified himself on air) went on to say that he would be sending similar pics with will smith (I am Legend) and Mr. JJ Abrams. When asked what he was doing in california and how he had access to all of these people he went on to tell elliot that he worked with all of them In advertising, and more specificaly Viral Marketing. Elliot immediately asked about 1-108-08, and the caller went on to say that was why he was meeting with JJ. He said he worked on the lost experience and was now working on this campaign. His next comments were the most interesting..

" No movie has ever been made like this. The six months leading up to the move are as important, if not more important, and the movie wraps everything up!"

Everything I know about fakes and phonys (I have to deal with a lot of lawyers at my job, so i can smell them a mile away) tells me that this guy was 100% legit.

So, as they say, It's on!

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Re: This game has most definitely begun!!!

dbssound wrote:
HetMasteen wrote:
Melampus wrote:
Erikson wrote:
I'm not even sure anymore what the clues are supposed to lead us to. I mean are they supposed to tell us what an original monster looks like? Is it supposed to reveal the name that they said will be revealed later? What are we trying to find out?

If it's based off of an animal lets start eliminating the already used animals. Lizard (including dinosaurs) , Monkey , Squid , Moth , Worm , Marshmellow (?), and for good measure lets strike of Robot .

Maybe it is a shark with legs! That's pretty original. Or a mutant whale that had his brother speared and he's out for revenge. Oh maybe it's a giant duck because of the whole land/air/sea thing on Slusho! After all it does say Ducky on the .jpg's! (yes I know that doesn't mean anything!)

Bah! ARG's normally aren't this hard, are they?


People have been spending soooo much time and energy trying to predict what's going to be in the movie, but the movie will most likely be the starting point for the ARG, in the same way that watching LOST was the starting point for playing "The Lost Experience." The ARG will most likely involve the backstory - the explanation as to where the monster came from and why it attacked NYC, but NOT what's going to actually be in the movie itself. They want the ARG to be something people can play for a while - if it's about predicting what you'll actually be able to just watch in January, then it would be rather pointless. That would be like playing "The Lost Experience" in order to find out what happened in some episode of LOST. Finding out stuff that's NOT in any episode - now, that makes sense. And, finding out stuff that's NOT going to be in the movie would also make sense, i.e., backstory.

Also, this is going to be a hand-held Blair Witch style movie, so there probably won't be any explanation given AT ALL about what's happening and why. Maybe a little - in the beginning or end - but, if it's going to maintain any kind of "realism" at all, then there's no plausible way that we'll learn anything about the origin of the monster during the viedos of Rob & company fleeing the attack. If Rob is somehow 'involved' or if they happen to bump into some wild-eyed scientist who tells all - anything like that would be way too formulaic to be "realistic." A realistic movie would have them running for their lives, but not knowing anything other than what they actually witness. If you were in an attack on NYC, you wouldn't know squat about the how's and why's of it until much later, after it was all over; and even then, it would take a while to ever figure out what actually happened and why. (if you think this wouldn't 'work' for a movie, think of War of the Worlds: no backstory needed there; the aliens attack, it's bedlam, and then they just... die).

If you think about it, the Blair Witch style makes for the perfect ARG companion movie - b/c it's the only style that can get away with NOT revealing much, if any, backstory - and, that way, they can make up whatever the hell they want in the ARG, and they could keep it going for as long as they wanted. AND, the movie will still stand on it's own - again, b/c it's a Blair Witch style approach which needs no explanations of WHY anything's happening. The less explained, the better, in terms of intense realism. What makes this ideal is that playing the ARG won't be required to enjoy the movie - so, they can still market the movie to a mass audience, and at the same time, to ARG fans as well, i.e., the ARG will be totally optional. And, ideally, you'd play the ARG with a copy of the DVD at hand, so you could look for clues that have been planted in the movie itself. Besides, there may not even BE an ARG, just marketing. But, if there is, it will probably not be about predicting what we're going to able to see for ourselves in a few months.

I don't know, though - just a thought.


You hit the nail on the head.

In fact, I was in the US when the Blair Witch Project premiered, and the night before, the Sci-Fi channel aired an ARGish puff piece to build credibility for the movie (i.e pretending the events in the movie were real).
It featured fake interviews with the characters family, and many other material that never featured in the movie.
This totally supports your theory about the actual ARG starting after the movie is aired. I think that in the next six months we'll basically be involved in a scavenger hunt of sorts for various clues about the movie, and it's back story. So we have a long road ahead of us.



Sorry, hate to tell you you are wrong.

If you live in the Washington D.C. area ou probably liste to "elliot in the morning" on D.C. 101. If you did you would have heard an odd caller on tuesday morning. He was calling from California telling Elliot that he was sending photos in to him and the show with speilberg with ne of the show t-shirts. Why does this matter you ask.....

The caller (who never Identified himself on air) went on to say that he would be sending similar pics with will smith (I am Legend) and Mr. JJ Abrams. When asked what he was doing in california and how he had access to all of these people he went on to tell elliot that he worked with all of them In advertising, and more specificaly Viral Marketing. Elliot immediately asked about 1-108-08, and the caller went on to say that was why he was meeting with JJ. He said he worked on the lost experience and was now working on this campaign. His next comments were the most interesting..

" No movie has ever been made like this. The six months leading up to the move are as important, if not more important, and the movie wraps everything up!"

Everything I know about fakes and phonys (I have to deal with a lot of lawyers at my job, so i can smell them a mile away) tells me that this guy was 100% legit.

So, as they say, It's on!


Heck, if that's true, I'll gladly admit I was wrong!
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If that info. about the caller on the D.C. radio show is correct, then, yeah... I'm totally wrong. And, it's on!

So, how do we go about confirming that the caller was legit.?

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Radio Caller

But, hang on a minute...

If that's true, why didn't J.J. Abrams say anything about it at Comic-Con? And, how would Paramount ever agree to make a movie that DEPENDS on a 6-month ARG? The trailer was meant to grab everyone's attention, and relatively few people play ARG's.

I can't imagine how the movie could "wrap everything up" - that would detract from both the movie (since it would depend on an ARG that's apparently being kept a secret, even from potential players, and that nobody seems to be able to make any real headway on so far), AND from the ARG (since it would be over once the movie 'wrapped it all up'). We should remain very skeptical until someone can verify that information.

Curiously, though, this reminds me of something else about The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms (and then I'll shutup about that movie). In a 2-page magazine ad for the movie (back in 1953), there was this: "To be preceded in every exchange area by the most spectacular day-date TV and radio saturation yet conceived in this industry or any other!" Strange, eh?

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Re: Radio Caller

This is all starting to make sense (to me anyways). I think it is safe to say that JJ Abrams has enough credibility and a long enough resume to warrant a larger budget for a potential blockbuster than what Cloverfield reportedly has. (approx 30million if memory serves).

Why then give this project such a small (relatively speaking of course) budget? Perhaps Paramount is scared of a new idea...

Melampus wrote:
...how would Paramount ever agree to make a movie that DEPENDS on a 6-month ARG? The trailer was meant to grab everyone's attention, and relatively few people play ARG's.


Even with a strong producer heading the project, such a new concept does warrant a fair bit of cautious maneouvering on the part of a studio, perhaps the budget is a reflection of a potentially groundbreaking, but still risky film making concept.

Is Paramount hoping to begin a new era of interactive film making? Is Cloverfield the flagship of a potentially industry shaking concept?

What are your thoughts? Am I going crazy?

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Re: Radio Caller

Woggman80 wrote:
This is all starting to make sense (to me anyways). I think it is safe to say that JJ Abrams has enough credibility and a long enough resume to warrant a larger budget for a potential blockbuster than what Cloverfield reportedly has. (approx 30million if memory serves).

Why then give this project such a small (relatively speaking of course) budget? Perhaps Paramount is scared of a new idea...

Melampus wrote:
...how would Paramount ever agree to make a movie that DEPENDS on a 6-month ARG? The trailer was meant to grab everyone's attention, and relatively few people play ARG's.


Even with a strong producer heading the project, such a new concept does warrant a fair bit of cautious maneouvering on the part of a studio, perhaps the budget is a reflection of a potentially groundbreaking, but still risky film making concept.

Is Paramount hoping to begin a new era of interactive film making? Is Cloverfield the flagship of a potentially industry shaking concept?

What are your thoughts? Am I going crazy?


If the movie really is on a relatively low budget, then I guess it could be a pre-movie ARG.

So, why keep it a secret? Maybe they're just not ready yet - the movie isn't even finished yet, so the game might not be up and running either.

AND, if you could get enough people interested in the pre-movie ARG, and if the movie did 'wrap it all up,' then you would guarantee a huge opening box-office turnout, since everyone would have to go see the movie to 'solve' the ARG. That could work. Hurm...

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Tracking down the info

I tried to get a podcast, but haven't yet. the station (D.C.)101, and I'm sure they would have a log or a tape, or the pics.

As to why no big announcement.....

With the amount of time people are already spending on this do you really think they need an announcement. Much like the trailer, saying nothing drives all of us more crazy than to say "you are now playing a game, go forth and succeed!"

Also, think about the reported budget of the film (30 million). the studio will probably make that up in advertising (i.e. lost experience-sublymonal) before the box office opens, and it is such a small figure that they can easily recoup their cost. They would not be acting the same about it if it was a 200 million dollar pic, rest assured.

Also just the fact tha the slusho, and 1-18-08 sites exsist are proof that something has begun.

Also if you think to the matrix series....
If you watched the animatrix, and played the video game you got much moe info, and the movies made more since, but you could easily watch the movies and understand the big picture of what was going on without these elements. also, not knowing all the background about the hanso corp, and the likes from the lost experience supported the show, but the show stands on it's own.

The key thing to remember is that the guy stated that no movie had ever been made like this before, so we have to stop thinking about conventional movie making and studio tactics.

by the way,

your 20000 fathoms monster fits, and is a good call, but I have to say I think you are wrong, for no other reason than I think JJ wanted to create his own thing.

keep searching

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Point taken - about no announcement being needed to start the game.

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Pre-movie ARG?

Ok, I'm sold.

So, why is the fish thinking of cheese? And, why do the fish swim off the screen, but the octopus and donkey don't? And, why does the donkey only make one pass on the History page, but the other animals recycle? And, why do the fish blink in a 2-2-2-2... pattern, while the donkey blinks 1-1-2...? Why are the time-stamps on the 1-18-08 photos multiples of 6 (or 12)? Are the time-stamps a key to decoding something on the Slusho! page? And, since "You can't drink just 6" then shouldn't 7 be a significant number? And, why does it look like some of the full cups are either in front of or behind the empties? And, why are the boy and girl poised right above those cups (and, they never switch places on any page)? WHY?!! Shocked

Sorry - had to get all that off my chest.

Maybe the time-stamps ARE a key (somehow) to decoding something on the Slusho! page. I just threw that into my rant, but now that I think about it, it's not half bad. It's not half-good either, though... Crying or Very sad

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