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[META][TRAILHEAD] 1-18-08: Possible new arg/puzzle?
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Barry Egan
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Lola wrote:

Also, the scale does seem off for the Statue of Libery Head. The Head is big enough for people to go into and walk around an observation deck isn't it? Isn't the band of the crown windows?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:9.18.06.LibertyMask.jpg

There's a pic of a full-size replica of the face. It's smaller than I thought it would be. Now I think that trailer might be pretty acurate. I just don't know how big the crown is.

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 		1. There is NOTHING linking 1-18-08 with EthanHaas puzzle site.
The IPs are completely different. The Who Is registrations are completely different. The subject matter is completely different.

2. NOTHING on blogspot can be considered IG by the original team behind the original website unless there is a direct LINK or specific mention by the KNOWN IG site. Blogspots & MySpaces are full of gamejackers and all of you guys are feeding into their little pathetic egos by mentioning them, linking them, and contacting them.

3. Can we keep THIS thread on the topic of the 1-18-08 - the new movie by JJ Abrams? There is a completely different thread for EthanHaas discussion.

Rolling Eyes


(moderator fixing the dates, because January 2007 has long past -- catherwood)
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Lola
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 		The face is about 8' and the spikes of the crown are 9'.

This site has a pic of someone inside looking out:

http://www.chemistrydaily.com/chemistry/Statue_of_Liberty

I was up there when I was about 5 and it seemed huge!

I'm not the only one though who thought it looked funny. Check out Defamer:

click here for super-long URL with a cuss word in the link


(moderator made the url a clickable link -- catherwood)

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SmokeMonstar
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 		Connection to Lost?
Henry Kelvin
know you guys have already made the connection fron Henry Kelvin, to being Michael Emerson as Henry Gale, Clancy Brown as Kelvin Inman from the Lost series. As most theory's about lost turn up it seems everyone has the understanding that its about Good vs. Evil and the choices you make to control it. Looking into the actors that played Henry and Kelvin, I found that they where in a movie together in 2002 called The Laramie Project. Looking at the plot synopsis it seems that the main point behind this movie is the difference between good and evil. Connection? not sure. After reading many of the Threads the theory about the Cthulhu could be very true and related as well. Looking more into Lovecrafts work i saw when ever he would write about the Cthulhu he would write about" The Great Old one" or the old one, who would judge good and evil. So im certainly going into left field with this one, but it all seems related and just throwing a new theory out there. Lets see what we can come up with.

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 		uh I'm almost positive (unless there's another Laramie Project) that movie is about Matthew Sheppard and what happened in Laramie.

(which is COMPLETELY unrelated to Lost-believe me)

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http://www.downtownnews.com/articles/2007/07/02/news/news_briefs/at03.txt

Sephora Causes Double Take

News Brief

Countless Downtown commuters and passersby likely did a double-take last Wednesday when they saw a Sephora store at the northeast corner of Sixth and Spring streets. Though new businesses have been cropping up across Downtown, the high-end cosmetic retailer was actually part of a Paramount film shoot for Slusho. The movie crew wrapped the corner of the SB Lofts in the shop's trademark black and white horizontal stripes and filled the brightly lit windows with store merchandise and ads. The film activity also included street closures, driving scenes, 200 extras, military and emergency vehicles, destruction aftermath and weapons being brandished. The Sephora display was taken down the next day.

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Ddeter
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 		theory
What if Cloverfield is acctually an anagram for the real title of te movie?

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Uberg33k
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konamouse wrote:
1. There is NOTHING linking 1-18-07 with EthanHaas puzzle site.
The IPs are completely different. The Who Is registrations are completely different. The subject matter is completely different.

2. NOTHING on blogspot can be considered IG by the original team behind the original website unless there is a direct LINK or specific mention by the KNOWN IG site. Blogspots & MySpaces are full of gamejackers and all of you guys are feeding into their little pathetic egos by mentioning them, linking them, and contacting them.

3. Can we keep THIS thread on the topic of the 1-18-07 - the new movie by JJ Abrams? There is a completely different thread for EthanHaas discussion.

Rolling Eyes
You have made the same mistake as the person in the other thread. I mean IP as intellectual property, not internet protocol, DNS registration, or any other computer based term you may be confusing. It is very clear that Paramount has claimed videos 2-4 of Ethan Haas as theirs. Go to YouTube and look for yourself. Media Temple is a host that takes high profile clients. Look at their client roster, they handle mostly mid and large corporate accounts. If Paramount had screwed up and gotten the EH videos pulled and they were *not* theirs, then they would probably be incurring the wraith of another large corporation. That's a loss of $ and face that they would not risk. Working for a large media company, I can tell you for fact that YouTube won't pull anything unless you more than enough proof that would stand up in court. They simply don't give a damn about other company's intellectual property unless they think it would cost them big bucks.

However, rather than argue, lets see what we can agree on. It seems clear that all the blogs are bogus. People should stop linking to them and talking about them unless linked to by one of the sites in question. If you see someone post one in either thread, tell them to stop. I think its also clear that barring another legal tantrum or other such mistep, we aren't going to learn anything about either site until Aug.1 at the earliest. Until EHWR shows its hand, there won't be enough proof to convince everyone one way or another that the sites are linked or separate. Can everyone at least agree on that?

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catherwood
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Uberg33k wrote:
Until EHWR shows its hand, there won't be enough proof to convince everyone one way or another that the sites are linked or separate. Can everyone at least agree on that?

I agree with that. I also agree that Paramount owns the intellectual property related to BOTH projects -- that doesn't mean they are linked. JJ Abrams is directing the next Star Trek movie, which is a Paramount property, and he's producing "cloverfield", but that doesn't mean they are the same movie.

Can we at least agree to discuss the photos and the movie trailer clues in one thread and the solutions to flash puzzles and related emails in another thread, just to stay organized?

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 		Connection between EHWR & EHWW
konamouse wrote:

2. NOTHING on blogspot can be considered IG by the original team behind the original website unless there is a direct LINK or specific mention by the KNOWN IG site. Blogspots & MySpaces are full of gamejackers and all of you guys are feeding into their little pathetic egos by mentioning them, linking them, and contacting them.

While I certainly think the other blogspot sites are suspect, I do believe the EHWW site is related, simply because of the Mezin reference. Didn't that site refer to "Mezin Source" long before the phone message claiming the Mezin had captured Van?

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 		Re: Connection between EHWR & EHWW
ariston72 wrote:
konamouse wrote:

2. NOTHING on blogspot can be considered IG by the original team behind the original website unless there is a direct LINK or specific mention by the KNOWN IG site. Blogspots & MySpaces are full of gamejackers and all of you guys are feeding into their little pathetic egos by mentioning them, linking them, and contacting them.

While I certainly think the other blogspot sites are suspect, I do believe the EHWW site is related, simply because of the Mezin reference. Didn't that site refer to "Mezin Source" long before the phone message claiming the Mezin had captured Van?


I think part of the point is that while we can establish a connection between EHWR and EHWW.blogspot, neither of those sites can be connected to Cloverfield at the moment. So, EHWR.blogspot and EHWR appear to be in-game together, but there's no way to link 1-18-08.com to either of them.
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 		Awesome
Big thanks to whoever posted the link to the better quality video. That just raised a question though.

Just how many 'bootleg copies' of this trailer did they decided to come up with? Again on the Paramount incident. They make lots of movies. It could be - and likely would be - two entirely different projects. It is unlikely Paramount stopped all projects on their plate to just focus on a bootleg trailer. If they were (legitimately) looking to have their stuff removed from YT, they probably were keen enough to do a search to see if anything else of theirs was on there and get those too while they were at it. If it was me and I got "video robbed" I'd be of a mind to see if anything else of mine was there that I didn't know about.

However, I don't think the pull was all that legitimate. They are not stupid. They are clearly conscious of viral marketing....and if they pull anything they can just about be guaranteed to launch massive viral mode just because of the controversy. That would be called "free advertising" and you bet your camcorders they've already figured it out.

Also consider that the copyright claim is a little flaky - it's not like somebody used it and claimed it as their property - they just got it out in the open. nd this isn't about paramount's top secret project they didn't want anyone to know about else they wouldn't have put up a trailer for it without a title even before it even finished production. They claimed (C) law for pulling it, but they only did it on YT. And the arrest that happened the next day happened cause some cop saw they guy in the theater filming. If this was about piracy for Paramount and YT, there'd be big news about the trailer being bootlegged and Paramount intervening, yet NO national news source has mentioned anything of it. It's only these indy video game sites passing it around....

And there are trailers still online...so where's Paramount?

IT WAS ALWAYS BAIT and that was their intention.

Granted scores of people saw the trailer but scores of people did NOT think "oh hey, I bet that date release is really a url and this might be a game!" and because of that, nobody would be in the theater the day of the release thinking 'oh hey, I will record the trailer right before transformers starts because it might be important"

That trailer took EVERYBODY by surprise and the surprise came AT THE END OF IT when we all realized it had no title, raising the question WHAT IS THIS MOVIE? And that is where it began.

I've seen a lot of movies, I know scores of people who have seen them. I have often been inclined to want to bring in a video camera to record THE MOVIE I was gonna see. I cannot point to a single individual EVER who goes to movies to bootleg copies of TRAILERS, especially when they're already on tv half the time, or the internet.

Backing up, ask the question HOW this bootleg copy came to be to begin with. Then ask why Paramount swept in in 24 hours. How the hell did they 1. KNOW their bootleg trailer video would be on it out of the zillions on YT and 2. what, exactly, did they type in in search to root it out of the zillions on there? They'd have to already know that trailer WOULD BE bootlegged off somebody's cellphone or whatever and then that the same bootlegger WOULD BE heading straight to YT soon as they got home, formatted the video and put it up there.

Look at your dates of events people.

It's July 8.

Movie released, here at least July 3 (or 4th in some areas). FOUR DAYS.

Day One. Buzz and questions.
Day Two: Paramount incident
Day Three: 1-18 updated

Somebody had to either get reeeally lucky, or the same somebody planted it ON YT to begin with and got it out there, then yanked it back and that lit the fuse.

Somebody is paying close attention to this evolution. And for the record, it's not Paramount the entire corporation that pulled any videos. It's some representative with authority to claim copyright, and that person is the one behind paying attention because this would be related to his project. Otherwise they got some rank and file drone idiot job where all they do is scour YT for endless hours a day looking for anything and everything belonging to Paramount.


Night owl mentioned me in one of those videos he made and put on YT. Had I not seen that I'd never know it was there.


How did Paramount KNOW that soon of the release that a bootleg copy was even ON YT or any other site UNLESS THEY'RE ALREADY PAYING ATTENTION and they'd have a reason....otherwise doncha think they got better things to do than read gaming sites?

Just because Paramount pulled a group of videos does not mean all of them are directly related. If you insist on using this argument then use this one while you're at it.

Albert Pike registered sectorseven.org last year.
Albert Pike registered/techs for 1-18-08.com this year.

Ergo, same argument, this 1-18 movie is directly related to the Transformers movie (evidence suggested: it appeared before the movie for cryin out loud) and sectorseven.org. BUT there's nothing else in the WHOIS for any of the Ethan stuff connected to the above. The shadow company behind it being a film corporation that makes thousands of movies. That is not evidence of the MOVIES being linked.

Period.




As for Ethan and Van, sorry but "if you don't here from me" is crap and immediately suggests some younger kid who didn't pay attention in english class is behind this and it's NOT related to 1-18 whatsoever. That's a major production firm with professional writers who aren't gonna typo "here" when they mean "hear" and who know the difference.

Sorry but some guy who can't spell doesn't have mojo enough to lead a resistance. /end suspension of disbelief


People keep assuming they're related NOT because they found an in game link but because they keep reading this shit on all the video gaming sites who ALSO say they're possibly related and only that.

And just because Ethan story is evolving or moving, this is not evidence of a connection to 1-18. It just isn't.

And the idea Ethan is from the future and the people at Rob's party don't know is flakey speculation at best.

Here's what would work better - and it has nothing to do with Ethan and everything to do with the apparent focus of the trailer itself.


It's group perspective of some catastrophic event disrupting their party, as evidently shown from their vantage point, their cameras, etc....giving it that unique Blair Witch nuance.

On the site comes the updates on the photos, the first one being the latter of a sequence in time. 12:36A. The second photo is an earlier sequence 12:01A, Rob at the party - but also since this shot isn't in the trailer, we can gather a timeframe window - this part happened before th events of the trailer, so whatever happens is taking place after midnight into January 18.

Okay.

But they added still shots.


Excellent game potential here to tell us the story or feed it to us as a game, by adding these stills and we work out, from THEIR prspective what they're experiencing. Blair Witch did this too recall. Perhaps it will be AFTER this event Jan 18 that the camcorders and video phones are discovered and from developing their content we begin to piece together this event, the story of the people who are on the videos, and what happened in NY on Jan 18.

We find it "after the fact" and have to go back and figure out what happened....and likely how that impacts us as "survivors" or something.

Based ONLY on the way 1-18 has been presented, that's a far more probable scenario as to what this could be about than some young guy who cannot spell named Van being from the future and forming a resistance out of a flash puzzle.

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 		Also, the fact that Van Mantra's address just changed to one in Canada suggests that EHWR is PR for the tabletop RPG, not for Cloverfield -- the RPG company is based in Canada.
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 		PS
On the video trailer - where they're watching the news report at 12:26? I think someone mentioned, also note that the banner under it reads EARTHQUAKE.

Is this a case that the news reporters don't really know what the hell is going on and are reporting crap....

OR

could this be a clue as to part of the event on 1-18 - that it's related to an earthquake in NY on 1-18 they feel is at the root of whatever the roaring sound is?

Not saying this is their established intent, or even that there is a game behind it....with the exception of the "this is an arg" screaming clue found in the WHOISE crosslink of Albert Pike and Henry Kelvin. To me that's more like a starting gun that this is intended to be a game more than viral marketing....


They give us a trailer with no title. Release date is actually a url already online and waiting for people to discover it - which they could only do by asking WTF IS THIS? and doing a little digging to figure out the date is the url. Then they dig to the WHOIS and see that link. Okay, possible game which is how this whole thread began, remember?

The question tho is what is this movie about? What is it these people are witnessing via their camcorder? That we are seeing through someone's videocamera while it's taking place?

The site only adds still shots directly related to that event....in a time sequence....

It just seems really glaring to me the whole idea here is to look at this through that lens, at the scenes, the shots, and piece together what is going on to answer that original question...Blair Witch style.

We're not being taken into the rabbit hole before a story to watch it unfold, but after the event occurred, uncovering what happened to begin with....

And for what it's worth, even if that isn't what they're doing in the end, just doing this anyway is still a good game and with potential to be pretty fun seeing this event through their eyes. Excellent concept.

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 		Location of the Statue of Liberty
I was watching TV and saw a clip of NY and it looked like the Statue or Liberty was largely surrounded by water then I did a rough google to find a good shot of the Statue and found this:

http://www.igougo.com/photos/journal_photos/Statue_of_Liberty1.jpg

I live on the West coast and I don't see the thing often so cut me some slack Wink

Anyway, the head of the statue of liberty ended up in the middle of that populated city street and it traveled a long way from where this pic is showing the Statue.

Was it picked up and thrown? Did it rain on the city from a huge blast?

Just thought I'd share...

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