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tiny420
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drho244 wrote:
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So if this Ethan Haas website isn't apart of the trailer. What the hell is it then? I mean everyone stops talking about when it's discredited from the movie. What are y'alls ideas of what that site is about? It's obvisouly something tied into some sort of medium. Is it another movie? A game? What?

It's a tabletop RPG coming out called Alpha Omega, by Mindstorm Labs. There seems to be separate ARG going on involving it, which is quiet interesting.


Thanks for cleaning that up. Thanks to this movie, that RPG game is going to get more hype than they ever thought.

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That doesn't sound like the Slusho history even in the slightest.

We're talking about a story of family obsession and tragedy, weird gigantic sea creatures (gods) that command people to do stuff, and humans transforming into aquatic life. That has Lovecraft written all over it. And it'd make more for a way more interesting movie than a straight run from the monster movie. I mean, if it's just one big monster the movie is going to be pretty short. It would involve getting the hell out of town and that's it.


The story seems to imply that the creature isnt commanding anyone to do anything. If anything it implies some kind of mutation, but we already know it's "just one big monster". The movie is described, as being a throwback to the old giant monster movies of the 50s and 60s, like Godzilla or Rodan.

Also, there is no indication whatsoever, either in the trailor or the Slusho story, of any sort of "gods" or people being commanded to do anything. The story has very little similarity to Lovecraft, speaking as someone who read that stuff once or twice Lovecraftian stories are usually quite misanthropic and focused on bizarre, unspeakable (and impossible to visualize) type monsters. Read "The Color out of Space" once, thats basically what most Lovecraft stories are like. The monster is some unseen, unknowable god-like monster from outer space who wants to do bad things for the sake of bad things. It's not even that good, actually, having read several of the stories i dont see where the attraction is myself.

We know from the houses mouth its "just" a monster movie. There is no indication whatsoever it's about Cthulhu at all, that was an assumption made by people who were guessing at the nature of the monster. Along with the theory it's Voltron, Godzilla and The Smoke Monster from Lost. To be frank by the description, sparse as it is, given by the studio and various movie sites and looking at the Slusho story it's most likely something like Godzilla, Gorgo, Rodan etc etc.

The Slusho story is the key here which is what i realized almost immediately after reading it. It just leaped out at me. The tone is rediculously serious in certain parts then completely absurd in others, but if you trim the retarded "shill soft drink" stuff away it tells a story about some kind of monster, mutation-causing compound, or both.

Like i said the best guess i have after looking at it is that this chick either went out there and became some giant monster, or found one, or found soem substance that makes people become giant monsters. One way or another her son brings back whatever she found to land, probably New York, and this chain of events leads to the chaos seen in the trailer.


I'm NOT SAYING IT'S Cthuhlu. I'm saying that it is very VERY influenced by Lovecraft. Just like a zillion other things in media, from Hellboy to frickin' Quake.

You haven't read enough Lovecraft to know what I'm talking about I think.

I'm not saying whatever's IN the city fucking shit up is commanding anyone. Maybe it is, I dunno. But here's the story:

Crazy person obsessed with something mysterious and sinister that they go to the ends of the Earth to find. This is Lovecraftian.

The obsession gets passed down the family tree: This is Lovecraftian.

The person is contacted in dreams by a horrible intelligence that tells them what to do. This is Lovecraftian.

Squiddy huge fish things that live under the sea want to turn us into horrible fish-monsters. This is Lovecraftian.

A secret cult dedicated to these fish things is influencing world affairs - in this case sneaking something quite horrible into our slushos - Lovecraftian.

So there you go. I'm sick of people thinking I mean that it's going to be a direct translation of Lovecraft every time I say Lovecraftian. Hell it could be, who knows at this point. But it's a good bet that the horrible inevitable fall of man - which Lovecraft never narrated but was the crux of the despair of his mythos - is something we might see influencing this film. Lovecraft at base is a definite influence on Slusho history - if you don't know what I'm talking about you need to read more Lovecraft.

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This isn't the best, because I obviously cannot show the movements in a single picture.



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which by the way doesnt even focus on water at all.


Cthulhu lives underwater in a forgotten city. He's essentially a giant squid god.

He was talking about the trailer not focusing on water, not the story of Cthulhu.

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One GIANT link that people are making that has not been substantiated at all is that Slusho has anything to do with the monster. Sure it has to do with the movie and it's kinda weird, but there is no evidence that it created/helped spawn a giant pissed monster.


Of course there's no proof. But it would make the entire Slusho site, the t-shirt and Rob's trip to Japan totally pointless. Improbable.

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 		Whoa.

I just thought of something.

This substance, what if the reason it has to be kept frozen is because if it isn't, something bad happens, like, it becomes bait for some creature or something. Or it becomes the creature.

Now, assume these are being mass-produced and are given to people all around new york, etc.

It has already been noted that it was abnormally hot for New york's january.

What if a large amount of it melted due to the high temperatures for the time?

Or, if a factory, not expecting this, hadn't bothered so much with cooling equipment and had therefore allowed alot of the substance to melt down?

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 		But wait! Look you can see a LION in the smoke! ZOMG! Form Voltron, blazing sword! Razz

No but seriously, people are seeing what they want to see if they think that Abrams would go this far to keep the movie a secret then put a tendril in the trailer. More so, after all this time, i seriously doubt no one has seen this tendril till now.

It's like seeing "demons" between those two girls heads, or saying it's one girl split in two. People see what they want to see.

Me, i watched the trailer almost a dozen times to try and get something out of it...best i can tell, whatever it is must be huge, alive and roaring.

(Edit: that is in response to this "tendril in the smoke" stuff...FTR i dont see any tendril, nor do i believe one is there)

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So there you go. I'm sick of people thinking I mean that it's going to be a direct translation of Lovecraft every time I say Lovecraftian. Hell it could be, who knows at this point. But it's a good bet that the horrible inevitable fall of man - which Lovecraft never narrated but was the crux of the despair of his mythos - is something we might see influencing this film. Lovecraft at base is a definite influence on Slusho history - if you don't know what I'm talking about you need to read more Lovecraft.


Agreed totally. What people don't realize is that Lovecraft has a HUGE amount of influence on horror and sci-fi. He's one of the most ripped-off authors around in these genres. As it stands, the concept seems to have a large amount of Lovecraftian elements.

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rhialto wrote:
18-Till-I-Die wrote:
rhialto wrote:

That doesn't sound like the Slusho history even in the slightest.

We're talking about a story of family obsession and tragedy, weird gigantic sea creatures (gods) that command people to do stuff, and humans transforming into aquatic life. That has Lovecraft written all over it. And it'd make more for a way more interesting movie than a straight run from the monster movie. I mean, if it's just one big monster the movie is going to be pretty short. It would involve getting the hell out of town and that's it.


The story seems to imply that the creature isnt commanding anyone to do anything. If anything it implies some kind of mutation, but we already know it's "just one big monster". The movie is described, as being a throwback to the old giant monster movies of the 50s and 60s, like Godzilla or Rodan.

Also, there is no indication whatsoever, either in the trailor or the Slusho story, of any sort of "gods" or people being commanded to do anything. The story has very little similarity to Lovecraft, speaking as someone who read that stuff once or twice Lovecraftian stories are usually quite misanthropic and focused on bizarre, unspeakable (and impossible to visualize) type monsters. Read "The Color out of Space" once, thats basically what most Lovecraft stories are like. The monster is some unseen, unknowable god-like monster from outer space who wants to do bad things for the sake of bad things. It's not even that good, actually, having read several of the stories i dont see where the attraction is myself.

We know from the houses mouth its "just" a monster movie. There is no indication whatsoever it's about Cthulhu at all, that was an assumption made by people who were guessing at the nature of the monster. Along with the theory it's Voltron, Godzilla and The Smoke Monster from Lost. To be frank by the description, sparse as it is, given by the studio and various movie sites and looking at the Slusho story it's most likely something like Godzilla, Gorgo, Rodan etc etc.

The Slusho story is the key here which is what i realized almost immediately after reading it. It just leaped out at me. The tone is rediculously serious in certain parts then completely absurd in others, but if you trim the retarded "shill soft drink" stuff away it tells a story about some kind of monster, mutation-causing compound, or both.

Like i said the best guess i have after looking at it is that this chick either went out there and became some giant monster, or found one, or found soem substance that makes people become giant monsters. One way or another her son brings back whatever she found to land, probably New York, and this chain of events leads to the chaos seen in the trailer.


I'm NOT SAYING IT'S Cthuhlu. I'm saying that it is very VERY influenced by Lovecraft. Just like a zillion other things in media, from Hellboy to frickin' Quake.

You haven't read enough Lovecraft to know what I'm talking about I think.

I'm not saying whatever's IN the city fucking shit up is commanding anyone. Maybe it is, I dunno. But here's the story:

Crazy person obsessed with something mysterious and sinister that they go to the ends of the Earth to find. This is Lovecraftian.

The obsession gets passed down the family tree: This is Lovecraftian.

The person is contacted in dreams by a horrible intelligence that tells them what to do. This is Lovecraftian.

Squiddy huge fish things that live under the sea want to turn us into horrible fish-monsters. This is Lovecraftian.

A secret cult dedicated to these fish things is influencing world affairs - in this case sneaking something quite horrible into our slushos - Lovecraftian.

So there you go. I'm sick of people thinking I mean that it's going to be a direct translation of Lovecraft every time I say Lovecraftian. Hell it could be, who knows at this point. But it's a good bet that the horrible inevitable fall of man - which Lovecraft never narrated but was the crux of the despair of his mythos - is something we might see influencing this film. Lovecraft at base is a definite influence on Slusho history - if you don't know what I'm talking about you need to read more Lovecraft.


Dude, you need to step away from the computer and take a chill break. Your getting worked up for no damn reason. This whole thing has people speculating everything. Not just your lovecraft obession.

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 		The themes may be Lovecraftian, that doesn't really matter to me. For those people who claim it's Cthulu....I don't know what to say other than
http://www.cthulhuthemovie.com/

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 		If you define "Lovecraftian" as anything even REMOTELY similar to a story Lovecraft wrote then that is an absurdly wide definition. Using that logic i can define anything remotely like War of the Worlds as an HG Wells story...which would be practically every alien invasion movie ever made.

When someone says something is "Lovecraftian" usually they use a less broad definition. I've read some Lovecraft stories, i wont get into it here weather i thought they lived up to the hype, but needless to say you cant honestly think that anything that is related to such a broad definition of "Lovecraftian" is based off or "ripped off" of his stories.

A definition that broad would render the whole concept moot, as anything can be defined as "Lovecraftian" under such a concept. You could call the movie Slither "Lovecraftian" under that definition.

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 		Sorry if that came across snippy. but I'm not worked up and I don't have a Lovecraft obsession. I just know the guy's influence when I see it.

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tiny420 wrote:
Dude, you need to step away from the computer and take a chill break. Your getting worked up for no damn reason. This whole thing has people speculating everything. Not just your lovecraft obession.


For your dedication, you will be among the first to die.

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 		I think we all know better than to say it's Cthulhu, or even directly in the Lovecraft mythos. but it's obvious that some story elements have been borrowed.

I HIGHLY doubt JJ Abrams had the slusho history page made just to screw around. "Hay guys! I know we're paying for the webhosting and the webmaster, but let's write complete cryptic-sounding jibberish here! wouldn't that be funny?"

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 		Eldritch Errors is being played right now. All Cthulhu, all the time! Really, the game's in a lull right now...wouldn't take much to catch up and we're always glad to welcome knowledgable players. Smile
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