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[SPEC] TRAILER/PICS ANALYSIS
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tinag222
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 		Same here with slusho. I'd seen 2 episodes of Alias but never got into it and I wasn't paying close attention to the trailer at the theater because I was still getting situated to see Transformers....so slusho on a shirt was irrelevant across the board. Geist I think it was had commented they'd spotted the slusho logo on the shirt the one guy in the trailer is wearing (from also dissecting the high def video itself, not at the theater) and had already gone to check out slusho.com, and wondered how long it'd been up. That's how it unfolded on *here*....and for the record, soon as it was raised, I recalled the post another one made about having seen the flyers for slusho movie shoot in LA so reposted it for a refresher and thus slusho.jp was officially on the table.

EDIT: Also noteworthy - if this was OOG, then it would appear that PMs are updating based on the feedback they're getting peeking out at the player base, so to speak...and when people started the buzz about 1. hey they need blogs so we can get to know them, and 2. posting about having tried myspace with no luck, oh hey here comes pic 5 and BAM myspace pages galore. So it would look, OOG wise like they're just playing it by ear based on us, and not in control.

What tosses a wrench into it is the reality the pages were created in June before the trailer and were always there waiting to be found. If so, why introduce pic 5 at this late date? Why put these pics up out of order? That was deliberate and both these facts clearly point to us underestimating them, not them scrambling to keep up and "get ready"...and that further supports 1-18 site being in game = not an OOG PM style photo album about *the movie*....it's IG about these specific people. So one of them is behind this website (IGwise) and that is why I am jumping up and down on this one pointing at the thing we're overlooking....

How would this person have pictures of an event that hasn't happened yet? What reason would 2 of the characters have for both commenting about being able to zip ahead to the future? Face value it's just a pseudophilosophical yuppie thing to say that sounds all poetic.

Until you consider who's running the 1-18 with photos of something that hasn't happened yet. 1-18 site leads to myspace, not the other way around. There we find these little "incidental" comments....which is precisely the MO that's been used all along that got us anywhere at all.

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It was luck of the draw just going off names and "trying" myspace....it could've been tag or one of the others, blogger even...something else was there specific to myspace is what I'm pointing at.


That runs on the assumption, however, that no one else checked tag or blogger, which I'm sure someone did. Personally, I think the PMs picked Myspace because that tends to be the most prevalent among "people" sites, and because there have been so many OOG MS sites for other ARGs. I don't think there was one specific clue that would have made anyone go "That's it! It HAS to be a Myspace page!".

The little experience that I have with ARGs (I was a lurker during Year Zero) tells me that most of this is trial and error. How many websites were tried before Slusho was found? I've tried putting a url together from just about everything I can think of in the trailer, right down to the temperature on the TV screen (doesn't work, by the way). To this point, I don't think we've missed anything major. We've been sucked up into an ARG that is going to dig its heels in the sand and keep giving us little bits and pieces until the movie comes out.

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tinag222
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That runs on the assumption, however, that no one else checked tag or blogger, which I'm sure someone did.


No it doesn't and I think you're missing the point Laughing People DID check them. The problem was that until pic 5, nobody had anything to work with. Rob on myspace would net 3456732678333 results. So would Jason/Jameson/Jackie - hell it wasn't entirely clear what name was being said in the trailer. When Pic 5 came up there was a last name to work with...and the next step would be HOW?

I get it that myspace would be a popular choice but that is not an indicator in and of itself there would BE anything on myspace one way or the other. They could've all been on blogger instead and searching myspace would've yielded squat. It was luck of the draw the myspace was found off a name search by going to myspace at all. I wasn't arguing that point. I'm saying that ALSO GLARINGLY on pic 5 is a direct reference to myspace IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH MS TO PICK UP ON IT. Nevertheless, the ms pages were *already* there waiting and the 1-18 site deals specifically with these people in an IN GAME sense.

It can't be both in game and meta at the same time.

Not without being completely sloppy and PMs aren't even in control of their own game if they're depending on player choice for what they give us next. That aint how arg works...they set you up the bomb and you figure it out. They don't hand over, let alone "accidentally" forget about a halfassed unfinished couple of sites under construction and then hang out on a forum waiting to see where player interest goes before they update either site depending on what players are bitching about.

It has to be IG given what's been handed over here....and that makes it a character site, whether we've encountered said character or still have to figure it out - and that raises the obvious question of how does this person have photos dated 1-18-08 when it's JULY? And why do at least 2 of these people contemplate what it'd be like, or wish it could happen, to zip into the future? The future thing may not ultimately have relevance, but it's kinda hard not to see it if you consider 1-18 site fully IN GAME and by IG I mean character driven about characters.

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tinag222 wrote:
That aint how arg works...they set you up the bomb and you figure it out. They don't hand over, let alone "accidentally" forget about a halfassed unfinished couple of sites under construction and then hang out on a forum waiting to see where player interest goes before they update either site depending on what players are bitching about.


I'll take your word for it here. I don't have much ARG experience, and I respect yours. But it's clear at this point that we're dealing with some clever people who think outside the box. And so must we.

My gut feeling is that these folks probably don't give a rat's about how ARGs work, or how they're even supposed to work. Popping out a trailer for a forthcoming movie without even giving the frickin' title? That ain't how movie marketing works, bit it didn't stop J.J. and company. And look at the firestorm they started!

I strongly suspect that standard rules (whatever they are) won't apply in this one. I wouldn't put it past them at all to set up something that's a lot more interactive than most of us think it is. Most elements probably are "hard wired" on their end, but they could be flexible in a few others. That's if the whole "Lost" phenomenon is any indication. Could they be hanging out here and elsewhere, waiting to see where interest goes, and change course accordingly? I bet they could alter their course a little. For example, what was gleaned from pic 5 may affect their choice for pic 6.

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tinag222 wrote:
It has to be IG given what's been handed over here....and that makes it a character site, whether we've encountered said character or still have to figure it out - and that raises the obvious question of how does this person have photos dated 1-18-08 when it's JULY? And why do at least 2 of these people contemplate what it'd be like, or wish it could happen, to zip into the future? The future thing may not ultimately have relevance, but it's kinda hard not to see it if you consider 1-18 site fully IN GAME and by IG I mean character driven about characters.


If this is supposed to make any sense at all, I think it does make sense in that there is a group of people who would be able to put those "future photos" on 1-18-08.com and also put the myspace pages up while still keeping to some logical trajectory--the moviemakers themselves. I'm not trying to state the obvious. What I mean is that this may not be an ARG at all, or not one that people have become accustomed to. I've been thinking for a while that the point here might be that we ourselves are participating in the lives of these characters:

1) It's been said over and over again that the entire film will be made as if by camcorders (we know that's not technically true, given the CGI, but it will be made to look that way);

2) A first-person perspective film taken "overnight" will not likely have much of a backstory, or any character development beyond the minimalist type that you see in conventional monster flicks, so Bad Robot may be prompting us to play a role in creating that story;

3) The decision to leave the comments open on the video pages at MS--when they could have easily blocked them or made them subject to approval--suggests the same thing. Otherwise, it is a mistake for them to leave the comments open, because at some point, at least one of the characters would have to comment on all the bizarre warnings about things to come in January. If they don't then the pages aren't doing what they should do--make these characters real.

In short, perhaps we have been given an outline of what happens on 1-18-08, who the people are that are going to be affected, and (so far) a meaningless association with a non-existent product called Slusho. It is our job to fill in the rest. I think it would be more than just a blackboard for us to project our fantasies; eventually, there may be some recognition by the characters themselves that something weird is happening. If we see evidence of that on the myspace pages, then that would be the proof that we are participating in the making of this film. The disaster that was Snakes on a Plane was caused by the filmmakers having no particular ideas at all; maybe here they have all the main plot details and character sketches laid out, but they are willing to let the public create the details.

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Almijisti, that's a great point. For a future movie to take place it's very probable that a backstory is 'still' in the works as far as a game is concerned.

Interesting.

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Melampus
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 		I was on a thread on this forum when pic 5 was put out, and the myspace pages were found literally w/in minutes - the thing that did it was working out the name, "Jamie Lascano" from the pic. Almost immediately after that, someone found her myspace page (could have been b/c of the "my hotness far and wide" - I don't know, could have just been a logical place to try out a name).

Someone posted a link to Jamie's page and, to be honest, I don't think they were quite ready for us, b/c all the MS page "pics" were set to private at first - within about 10 minutes of everyone finding all the MS pages, the "pics" all became publicly accessible, but only one by one, and over the course of a few minutes.

In any case, those MS pages could not have been found w/out at least one full name, and that's what pic 5 provided.

Since they put 1 photo out each Friday (so far) on 1-18-08.com, maybe it's just a way for them to control the game, by withholding key clues that will open new content until they're ready to release it.

I'm thinking of the whole thing as a new kind of ARG, one that incorporates a movie (rather than a movie incorporating an ARG) as just another (big) source of clues to perpetuate the game; and, since the movie is Blair Witch style, it can also stand on its own for non-ARG-playing viewers, b/c the less explained the more intense it will be, as a BW-style movie. The goal of the ARG (w/movie included as BIG source of clues) will be to find out what really happened to NYC on that night. If it happens in 1 night, then the rest of the world would be just as shocked and confused - what was it? where did it come from? Why NYC? So, our job, from clues found in the aftermath (e.g., photos & videos) is to figure out what the hell happened. Rob & co's video will just be the best record of that night that's been found. And, so, releasing photos early - before the events pictured have 'happened' - could be just a bit of creative license & marketing.

Also, if they want to keep the MS pages 'realistic', then they should NOT reply to thousands of messages from people who know things they shouldn't know (that an attack is coming) - that would bring them into our world (no pun intended - Beth's MS music). I'm guessing they'll only communicate w/each other on the MS pages and ignore the existence of the 'audience' all together, since we're not part of their world. And, we never can be, since no actual monster is going to destroy NYC on Jan 18. No kidding, right? My point is that they can't try to make the movie-world the same as the real-world (as in LOST, where it's all on some uncharted island in the S.Pacific, so it COULD be real right now).

And, yeah, I don't think they've got it all worked out yet.

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 		Also, they did take some liberties (no pun intended) with time-scale on the movie poster, because it's the day after and debris is still falling from the Statue of Liberty, and the monster's wake (in the water AND in the smoke that can be seen in the gap in the skyline) is still visible.

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 		a little off topic, but still on the trailer.
did u realize that rob's grandfather is shown running away from the explosion? Here's a picture of him on jason hawkin's myspace:

and here he is at 1:25 of the trailer:
(click for another photo -- moderator changed to a link for width)
dead ringer, IMO.
any relevance?

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They do look a lot alike, but the hair lines look different, and trailer guys nose looks bigger.
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 		Second guy's head seems to be a bit "fatter" (I can't think of another way to say it), and as said before, the hairline is different,

And even if it is him, it makes no difference.

Wow! His grandpa also has the same wierd fear of monsters that rip of the SOL's head!. What a great find!

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 		Not even close.
Those are not the same people.

I have seen that actor before though. Wish I could figure out where.

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Melampus
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 		gramps?
isn't the guy in the trailer (in your post just a few back) the same guy who's wearing a tux (or similar), and also the bald guy w/some white hair that you can see very clearly at the party right before the first roar? (he almost looks like he's bartending when you see him at the party).

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Popping out a trailer for a forthcoming movie without even giving the frickin' title? That ain't how movie marketing works, bit it didn't stop J.J. and company.


Uh, we've got 5000 posts talking about the movie without a title. I've got 27 RSS feeds pointing to blogs talking about the movie without a title. Sites from AICN to IGN to CNN are talking about the movie without a title. Apple's Quicktime trailer site has had the movie without the title at the top of the list for the past month.

Who says that's not how marketing works?

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SLUSHO_ZOOM!
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 		Huh?
The guy in the Tux is at least 50.

The bartender is maybe 30.

They look nothing alike.

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