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[SPEC] TRAILER/PICS ANALYSIS
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Teebor
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Soooo Bored at work

Anyway, 3rd picture (see attached)

Guy on the left is definitely running towards us

Two girls are walking towards us covering faces

Guy behind the girl is for some reason stopped and looking in the other direction and covering his face, I think he may have only just turned around as the picture is taken though as his left leg is slightly bent, kind of like he has turned around but was originally walking towards us.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:40 am
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kzanth
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The Pulsing Pictures

I've searched through all the 'pulsing' posts but I don't think I've found anyone talk about this. Try it with the pictures on 1-18-08. It's fun AND it leads me to think the physics/pulsing/ticking is NOT random:

Take all three pictures and place them squarely on top of one another so the only visible picture is the top most (I did it in chronological order - 12:01 on the bottom, 12:48 on the top). Then let it go.

I did this last night. Came into work this morning to see they'd lined up in a specific geometric way. I did this for the first two pictures a few days ago, and they eventually lined up the same way every time. Now with three, to line up so evenly, I have to believe it's NOT random.

And, of course, they're pulsing like hell.

What does it mean? I have no idea. Could be a glitch. Just wanted to share.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:12 pm
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kzanth wrote:
Take all three pictures and place them squarely on top of one another so the only visible picture is the top most (I did it in chronological order - 12:01 on the bottom, 12:48 on the top). Then let it go.


My pictures only "tic" when I stack them and continue to do so until it seems like they get snagged and then begin to pulse or vibrate. It's pretty freakin' creepy, even if it is a random Flash corruption.

Now I just want to point out things in pictures that people have mentioned before but they give the basic photographs as example. A lot of these pictures, especially the third "current" one, are altered in some form before being posted on the site.

Picture 1 / #2 chronologically

The circled area clearly has something in it. I am sorry but in no way shape or form does that look like hair. You can see the dark strands of her hair that are in front of whatever that white/gray figure is but it is not a trick of the mind. There is a light source above the figure and with the way the light is hitting the girls' faces it just doesn't make sense for her hair to be illuminated in such a way that it tricks us into thinking there is a skeletal looking visage between the two girls. It almost looks like it is coming out of where their hair meets and could possibly be looking in the same direction that they are.

I honestly don't think that this random picture would be posted, with such an intense zoom, if it were not to incite emotion and include something.

Picture 2 / #1 chronologically

Let's look at the circled areas going clockwise starting at the top left.

The first one is Rob's hand in motion when the picture was taken and it looks like it is headed to his friend's hand or arm or to the cup of liquid being poured into his mouth. I highly doubt that he was being force-fed Slusho but I think he is either being a party animal and downing the shots (which someone mentioned doesn't really work with his behavior later in the trailer), or he is being told to drink water so he doesn't get sick.

The next circle is to highlight that his teeth are extremely white... no, but really, the liquid he is imbibing appears to be water or a clear alcohol and at that he isn't having a hard time getting it down. His mouth of wide open and he isn't making any negative facial expressions. So he's either really drunk or he's just being forced to sober up (maybe because he has an early flight).

The next circle is the extremely creepy girl in the corner. She appears to be looking directly at the viewer and might possibly be licking her lips. It might be nothing but then again if you've seen Devil's Advocate it might set off a little "scary devil woman" alarm. Also, she appears to be the only person not looking at Rob in this picture and it is possible that she turned when she saw the flash of the camera and just got caught in a weird pose.

In the next circle Rob is holding something in his hand; either the hand of the person in the pink shirt or maybe it's just a bottle of beer at an angle that keeps us from seeing the bottle itself. Either way there is definitely something in his hand.

And then there is the hand of what appears to be the "Rob's awesome" girl as if she is walking by and he suddenly threw his right arm up and almost knocked her over. Or she could be reaching up to grab his arm or pat him on the shoulder as she walks by in a, "hey buddy, you doing okay," kind of way.

Picture 3 / #3 chronologically

Starting with the circle on the left we can see that the man appears to be ducking and running or walking and also wearing a dark hat or has a massive head of hair. Obviously trying to get away from whatever is behind them.

The next guy, behind the girls, is turned and appears to be holding something. My bet is that he has a camera or phone and is either trying to record or take a snapshot of what is going on or has turned around to get a better visual-to-mouth description of what is going on in the background.

The girls both have their hands over their mouths and noses. The girl on our left is clutching her bag in the lower hand and you can see the straps hanging down next to her. She is also wearing what looks like a sweater or a frumpy long-sleeved shirt which would make sense if this was in the winter but does not line up with the sixty-three degree temperature that was reported on the news after the initial shockwave. It is possible she is just one of those girls that get cold even when it's over ninety outside. On another note, it appears that her left leg is forward or bent as if she is in step. Neither of the girls appear to be in a hurry to get away which is confusing because the men are quite worried or hurried looking.

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Rotation

Teebor

Thanks for the heads up.


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I can also find NO evidence of intentional tick and/or rotation and/or pulsing effects in the flash file itself, which leads me to believe that this is a bug in the program coding



This is curious to me tho. I've done it, others have done it, it's easily doable - just pull the page up, move the pics around some and then let it alone. I did this several times, but to test it, I lined all pics up in a row, overlapping and put Rob on the bottom. Straight bottom edge.

I minimized the site and checked it about 20 minutes late and in this case Rob had rotated half way around and the new pic had just about cuaght up with it while 2chicks remained static.

I can totally see at this point where the pulsing might be a glitch, with respect to the rotation getting stuck and "skipping" or hung up, but if that is the case, then it makes the rotation itself seem more deliberate.

You're saying there's not any code there to make them rotate or even tick....

But scores of us can sit here and watch the damn photos slowly ticking around the clock....I can't see how that deliberate a path can be a glitch. I wondered if maybe if you moved them in some manner and let them rotate around, when they make the full 360 if anything happens, but I am not bringing myself to pot watch the page that long...I'll start hallucinating Razz

There is deliberate intent here. The only thing in the flash files is specifically what's on the site, no extraneous stuff, no hidden stuff, and evidently we can't get a backdoor into the files (least the going thought is nope), and when they update with a new pic, they have to upload the whole thing/code. They initially had it where copies could be made, then that changed. The photos we can move around for what possible reason, and they do tick rotate.

Try this way: if this was your baby and photos, why would you make them movable and rotating? What might be your point? Is it something for show, or decoration like blinking text or adding a useles "random joke a day" script etc that otherwise has no function with the site, or is this used in some such manner where the effect is warranted - like using shadowboxes, decorative but functional. Or part of a slideshow?

If it was you what would you put it there for - maybe that train of thought might help in the way of clearing up what the hell we're supposed to do with the photos outside putting them in order and comparing them to the trailer.

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Teebor
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I'm not denying that they do tick and pulse becuase I can get them to do it as well almost without failure.

There are calls to what I am guessing is a random number generator or some sort of random pattern creator and I have assumed this is for the initial page generation. I've left all my materials at work but I will take another look as soon as I get the chance (just posting this whilst my home PC is working during a rebuild and upgrade, so I won't get to work on this any more)

I firmly believe though from looking at it (and I hope someone can prove me wrong) that it is just a remnant of a calculation that is causing it to keep moving. Think of it as the remainder of an equation and inevitability if you will.... oh hold on wrong film sorry Smile
But seriously it looks more like the calculations have a leftover of motion once a picture is moved and it eventually calculates that it is a move, ie keep adding 0.001 and 0.001 and eventually you get a 1 which could be a degree of movement for rotation, which could also explain the pulsing as its the picture ready to move but the calculation moves it back again as its not quite a whole number required for a move (rounding if you will from a 0.9 and then realising its mistake and correcting it, it could be the maths behind it is imperfect)

Again speculation though as I can't see exactly what the randomizer is doing yet.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:26 pm
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Tkar
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In regards to 1-18-08.com and the pics

I know that they changed something in the code when they showed the new pic, because when I right-clicked before I cold choose Show All and that would make the screen a lot bigger and the pics a lot smaller. (I was looking for hidden linkage.)

Now I have no options when I right-click. I think it was to clean up a bug where choosing Play would add two more of the same pics to the site, and I could fill the whole site with the same two pics stacked all over the place. I played with that and stil nothing, which makes sense I suppose that that is why the options were removed.

Sorry for the useless post, I think I was going somewhere when I pressed reply and lost it Smile

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I sooo shouldn't have skipped math in school.

So by randomiser, you just mean the array position of the photos to each page load?

Another one that strikes me as screwy - and maybe if I had more understanding of flash it wouldn't be an issue or it would be understood - is why a random generator at all....as opposed to photo A clickable for a neato fx enlarged view, then a neato effect back to normal and photo B placed by it, same deal and photo C, etc. I just can't see what use a randomizer is, when the only thing that's random is the position array and then that's with each load.

I got a big piece missing here on the logic. If they intended it, for example, as just a neato slideshow kinda effect, to display 3 photos in a random *position* (as opposed to random photos, since we have specific ones that are intentionally added in some order), so one load it comes up with p1 at this angle and p2 laid on it to the center and p3 laid on it at a corner, and then randomly changing the positions each load, what the hell is the point of that?

I work with graphics and slideshows (not flash tho) and I've seen lots of flash based slideshows and while they almost always display random combinations from an array of photos, the positions are usually static.

And ya can't move them unless there is that zoom function to just enlarge it for its own sake.

They took that option off the table....and they are randomizing 2 photos, and now 3...same ones each time. Random could be functional if each load put up two of the 3 at any time, and in no particular order.

So the way they are positioned is the randomeness. The photos are the same AND their positions in the layers are the same, Rob on bottom, 2 chicks in the middle, (k no puns please) other 2 chicks on top.

(boy's wet dream notwithstanding) why do that and then have them movable? Rotating?

Do we need to look at the randomness or the fixed variable?

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Re: Rotation

tinag222 wrote:
Teebor

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I can also find NO evidence of intentional tick and/or rotation and/or pulsing effects in the flash file itself, which leads me to believe that this is a bug in the program coding


This is curious to me tho.


Ahh, finally something I can help with. I too pulled down the SWF and took a peek inside. There is code to rotate the images. It is random. The placement of the images is random as well.

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tinag222 wrote:
I got a big piece missing here on the logic. If they intended it, for example, as just a neato slideshow kinda effect, to display 3 photos in a random *position* (as opposed to random photos, since we have specific ones that are intentionally added in some order), so one load it comes up with p1 at this angle and p2 laid on it to the center and p3 laid on it at a corner, and then randomly changing the positions each load, what the hell is the point of that?


It's counterintuitive. In fact, it's actually detrimental to showing off the photos. Imagine that site with a couple more pictures on it. In order to get to one farther "down", you'd have to move at least a couple nearly off the screen. Four photos would render the site nearly unusable as a means of displaying photos. How could you get to the one you want?

As a way of displaying photos, it's the digital equivalent of throwing them in a shoebox and shaking it up every time you want to open it up again.
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birr wrote:

Picture 3 / #3 chronologically

Starting with the circle on the left we can see that the man appears to be ducking and running or walking and also wearing a dark hat or has a massive head of hair. Obviously trying to get away from whatever is behind them.


The man is head down running from the fire behind him. If you tweak the levels a little more on the image you will quickly see that there is a lot of fire back there.

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One other thing about my picture... notice that they all turned to approximately their time stamp if you correlated their positions to a clock. The 12:36 is rotated to about the 36 minute position in relation to the 12:01, as the 12:48 is turned about 48 minutes to the 12:01. I swear I didn't position them that way... I positioned them on top of one another, and the next morning they ended up that way.

If it truely is random, well...

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As a way of displaying photos, it's the digital equivalent of throwing them in a shoebox and shaking it up every time you want to open it up again


What he said.

Right...and my question is what is the usefulness of that when, if the face value purpose is to display photo stills, there are more functional means.

This is why I am still tied up thinking that the purpose of this measure is "obviously" to keep us looking at the photos, like 'look here' or 'hey, look at me, it's in front of you look'....that it's not about "here are some random shots of the movie" but that it's more about "look closer at what we are showing you and how they are connected"....

Next question then is in why are we able to move them around? I've seen the dhtml scripts where you can drag photos, but I have seen ZERO usefulness for this so can't wrap my head around why they'd do that flash style arbitrarily.

Just cuz? You mean you got flash and this is all you could come up with?

Seriously?

It's possible this is just a piss poor total lack of creativity lazy assed slideshow, but in light of the egg hunt, it supports the above and would include a hint to manipulate the images in some way to help shed light on whatever the overall point is to the photos at all.

Same for the rotation....

They did it this way for a reason....either it's relevant and showing us something, or it's just sloppy, noncreative, lazy and pointless. If so, pack it up and go home, who cares about movie stills.

If not, then the next answer needs to be to why we can move them, why they are rotating, why random positions and not random array of various photos....

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Something else that bothers me is the party pic. It doesn't belong where it's been placed in the timeline.
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JimmieBJr wrote:
Something else that bothers me is the party pic. It doesn't belong where it's been placed in the timeline.


Really/ How so? I mean, the thing is really creepy I know that much. But Rob seems fine later, so...

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