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[SPEC] TRAILER/PICS ANALYSIS
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Melampus
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worngmike wrote:
just a small point but i don't think that is robs apartment, as if he was moving it would be empty


Good point. But, then, Rob has roommates, right? (Don't Hawk, Hud, and Rob all live together?)

Someone mentioned, a while back, that it might not be anyone's apartment, but an office where someone works (apparently, there are ofices in Manhattan that look more or less like apartments). In various shots, it looks like it could be an apartment or an office - hard to say either way.

If it's an office, then the map might be very significant (your wish could come true, deletia). On the other hand, though, a map with random pins or markings would be pretty standard office-set decoration.... like a fraternity paddle and skateboard. Rolling Eyes

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deletia
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Melampus wrote:
On the other hand, though, a map with random pins or markings would be pretty standard office-set decoration.... like a fraternity paddle and skateboard. Rolling Eyes


Ha! Well, yeah, a map with seemingly random markings would be pretty standard office fare, but there's not much seemingly random about the area in which those markings turned up. This is similar to our discussion about the newspaper with the "Godzilla in USA" headline. Sure, the headline is unremarkable by itself, but considering the context within the ARE/ARG, it seems likely it's at least a wink.

In this case, I'd say the markings are at least intentionally misleading, if not an actual clue to what's going on. Assuming that there is a PM behind this video who knew it would be combed over for clues, why else would such a map be so prominently featured?

Edited to add: Hawk and Hud live together, but does Rob live with them?

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worngmike
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see this is the thing has been bugging me, and it has been assumed that it is robs apartment with him going to japan and all, but just cos he is going there doesnt mean he is going to do out his hole pad with related stuff. also rob comes in with another guy, which we also don't see again for the rest of the trailer (i found that odd), so i am going to assume that the guy he came in with live in that flat possibly along with someone else. now the obvious tie to a tennant to the flat would be the oriental guy in the 'main dude' part but that it stereo typing but possible none the less and again we don't see him again in either the trailer or myspace. in fact there are several characters in the trailer who could quite easily make it to myspace but have not, they are not even on the 'secret sevens' pages, so safe to assume they are not pivotal (or are they)
there is alot of open ended stuff in there that is very hard if not impossible to give a reason for unless you are JJ.
we are craving clues and possibly making our own ou tof shear desperation and i stil stand by my theory that we are missing something obvious right in front of our noses, but if i try to look at the end of my nose it makes my eyes hurt. thats how this feels.
sorry got off track.

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cantwaltz
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Lateral Thinking

deletia wrote:
Hawk and Hud live together, but does Rob live with them?


Sorry, this probably doesn't belong in this thread, but the above sentence reminded me that there is a movie called "Hudson Hawk." Never seen it, but Wikipedia entry is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_Hawk

Some of the elements of the film certainly sound like pieces of a game, but they have nothing to do with a monster. However...isn't that the whole point of figuring out a puzzle? Never would have thought a blue icy drink (and has anyone been able to analyze that photo with the similarly startlingly blue drink on [I think it's] Lily's page?) would have anything to with some crazy-ass giant monster stomping lower Manhattan, but there you go.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled inundation of "OMG itz cthulhu!" posts.

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Re: Lateral Thinking

cantwaltz wrote:

Sorry, this probably doesn't belong in this thread, but the above sentence reminded me that there is a movie called "Hudson Hawk..."


I think there was a typo in your post. For some reason, I think you cut off this part of your sentence "...which, by the way, is the worst...movie...ever."

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Re: Lateral Thinking

Guestacular wrote:
cantwaltz wrote:

Sorry, this probably doesn't belong in this thread, but the above sentence reminded me that there is a movie called "Hudson Hawk..."


I think there was a typo in your post. For some reason, I think you cut off this part of your sentence "...which, by the way, is the worst...movie...ever."
Don't remind me bout that movie Sad

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Re: Lateral Thinking

Nitsujest wrote:
Guestacular wrote:
cantwaltz wrote:

Sorry, this probably doesn't belong in this thread, but the above sentence reminded me that there is a movie called "Hudson Hawk..."


I think there was a typo in your post. For some reason, I think you cut off this part of your sentence "...which, by the way, is the worst...movie...ever."
Don't remind me bout that movie Sad


whats wrong with the hudson hawk Laughing
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Re: Lateral Thinking

Guestacular wrote:
cantwaltz wrote:

Sorry, this probably doesn't belong in this thread, but the above sentence reminded me that there is a movie called "Hudson Hawk..."


I think there was a typo in your post. For some reason, I think you cut off this part of your sentence "...which, by the way, is the worst...movie...ever."


Yes, I did have some trouble posting, come to think of it.... Twisted Evil

As for the map discussion, etc., I can't decide if we're all just blind and we're missing something HUGE, or if there's really nothing to see yet. Here's what I've been thinking: if you deconstruct your basic monster/disaster movie, there are common themes and plot lines. A lot of them boil down to this: mankind's hubris (can also be aliens, Mother Nature, etc., or a combo of any/all of the above) creates a situation in which the ordinary man must survive (and, often, save the day by correcting the situation he had a part in making).

Here's a classic example. Godzilla: Atomic bombs irradiate deep-sea dinosaur survivor; angry beast takes revenge on mankind; sailor, scientist and the girl they both love come up with plan to destroy monster when army fails. The Japanese original is full of small moments, many of them deeply poignant, which involve us in the lives of ordinary people in an extraordinary situation. Some live; some die. A horrible weapon must be unleashed on the monster in order to end the terror. It is man's fault that this horror has been loosed.

I'm thinking that we are being fed a similar setup. Here is a group of people we can relate to and whose lives we are being drawn into (via candid video, blogs, photos, etc.). Invoking the memory of 9/11 (Godzilla: Hiroshima/Nagasaki), the setting is NY. A disaster in this location would be more emotionally compelling to an American audience than, say, one that takes place in Cleveland. It is likely that some of these people will not survive this attack. And it is man's fault (assuming that the Slusho ingredient is to blame) that this horror has been loosed.

That's damned successful storytelling/marketing. It's been drawing us into the theaters for over 50 years. Shoot, even longer...there have been disaster movies almost since the beginning of motion pictures. We all love watching the train wreck happen.

So, my point is...I guess it's that I'm getting a little ticked off. If it is just going to be a cool movie, market it and get it over with. But if you are going to go to this length, with the secrecy and the posters and the C&Ds and the flavor bots and the damned Slusho, when you are trying to market it to thinking humans who want to appreciate your product on multiple levels, throw us a bone already. Let the points on the map MEAN something. Give us a number code that leads to an IP address. SOMETHING. Anything.

/soapbox

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cantwaltz
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Whoops...last post was mine

Embarassed Something happened while posting and my name wasn't attached.

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Hey, that could be an inside joke after all. I'm pretty sure - like others around here - that "Hudson" stands for "HUD" (Heads Up Display), ie., the guy behind the camera. However, "Hudson Hawk" was a professional "Rob"ber, so therefore, they must all live together. Add in the alchemy aspect (Slusho Flavors, anyone?) and what we have here is a Hudson Hawk remake!!!

There, the planets are in alignment, time for bed. Foily!

Sorry, couldn't help it.
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Melampus
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Believe it or not, the Hudson Hawk connection has been raised before on this thread. It's hard to avoid, when you've got characters named "Hudson" and "Hawk." I mean, c'mon. If there had been characters named "William" and "Madison" or "Happy" and "Gilmore" we'd have 'spotted' that too. There may be no connection, but it's certainly worth pointing out and thinking about.

I defend this b/c I pointed out this possible connection earlier. Embarassed

The thing that first jumped out, from Hudson Hawk (which really isn't that bad... but, not that good either) is the fact that Bruce Willis and Danny Aiello use songs to time their break-ins. So, the particular lengths of various tunes was important to them, e.g., there's a scene where they quiz each other on song titles and the time/duration of the songs. One possible connection, then, was to point us to the lengths of each song chosen on myspace. Since Hud replaced "Icky Thump" (4:17) with "Jubilee" (3:10), there's probably nothing there.

Still, the possibility of a reference to that movie is rather obvious; and, the "plot" of Hudson Hawk is similar, in many ways, to the Da Vinci Code, so it's ARG-friendly. Still, nobody's come up w/any reason for considering that movie, beyond the coincidental title.

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deletia
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A few folks here are thinking that we're clutching at straws by discussing the map, and that there's a big boulder-esque clue that we're missing while we're turning over pebbles. What if that map is the big thing we've been missing, though? Rather than beating a dead horse in the wrong thread, I started a new SPEC thread to explore the idea. I really think this could help get some momentum going!

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And The Beat Goes On

So I was watching the trailer, listening actually, and reading the forum here and realized that the songs are continuous. There is no interruption in the songs. The camera guy talks to various people each time cutting right to them yet the songs play on.

Like most movies, I assume music was added some time during editing but the point is, it is not the type of effect you would get from using a digital camera walking around a party starting and stopping the recorder each time you talked to someone.

This means nothing of course. The music would have sounded like crap the other way.
Just something I noticed.

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The Art of Writing

Hi,

yes, I'm new here tho I was reading your speculations about Cloverfield for more than a month. The search didn't come up with any findings when i entered some words related to my conclusion, so i just make a short post.

When i was visiting 1-18-08.com today and flipped over the two pictures that got writings on their back i just realized, that the note signed with "Love J" looks pretty much like handwritings. However the note on the other picture (with Jamie, Platt and Robbie) is most likely not written by hand as the letters are way to symmetric - especially to be written during a party.

That's it, mostly doesn't mean anything.

Edit: Hm, i had another thought - the letters of "and wide" are smudgy - so if the note isn't written by hand, that makes no sense - just if you do have a bad printer. But why isn't the 2nd half of Robbie not smudgy if it's a general problem of the printer. And wouldn't the picture itself not also be smudgy if it comes out of the same printer (well, unless you have a whole park of printers at home)?

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deletia
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I noticed that too, although I dismissed it at the time. The "Love -J" card seems to be handwritten, while the Jamie card looks like a font immitating handwriting.

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