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tiny420
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AJ wrote:
JimmieBJr wrote:


The actions of Rob (who does seem to be the protagonist) do seem to point to this sort of thing, don't they? I mean, he is the only one in the trailer that doesn't seem to be so much confused at what's going on as nervous and worried, like he knew it was coming or is just realizing what he's done.


what im thinking
is that slusho (the company) wants to test their products "powers" so they use one of their employees (rob),
rob someone plants the slusho in an animal/human (The parasite). thinking that it wasnt supposed to cause a reaction in it so quickly he goes on with his life.
thinking the day after his going away party, is the day its gunna appear and destroy new york. but it happens that day.
which causes rob to be confused, and give all the looks he did on the street.

this is just a theory


Or Rob (Or the guy who played him more less) Is a very shitty actor. This also is just a theory

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Eh. People have different reactions to crisis situations.

Also according to the Slusho story, Ganu is very big. Yeah, I bet he is.

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People are grasping at this "They were acting too calm" thing and miss the fact that above all else this is a movie. It's not supposed to be realistic, nor are the characters' reactions. He said something witty like "Looks like you shoulda' left town sooner!" like out of a Bruce Willis movie because the writers thought it sounded cool. I seriously doubt it has anything at all to do with the plot, nor that he's a bad actor.

Besides it'd be retarded to show what would REALLY happen, because in the real world he'd just scream like a twelve year old girl and drop a brick in his shorts while running away consumed by utter, hysterical fear. If you doubt this at all, watch a video of what happened during some real disasters and see what i mean.

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I dunno. I think the reactions in general are pretty realistic. Rob just acts "off" a little the whole time. When disasters strike, though, people tend to want to see, maybe even get closer, until something happens that clearly illustrates an immediate danger to yourself.

For example, everybody watched the WTC on 9/11...until they collapsed. Then the panicked flight began.

My point is, the reactions seemed okay. Only Rob is acting a bit different. I think that may be telling in the storyline, especially considering he's going to Japan...home of Slusho!

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18-Till-I-Die wrote:
People are grasping at this "They were acting too calm" thing and miss the fact that above all else this is a movie. It's not supposed to be realistic, nor are the characters' reactions. He said something witty like "Looks like you shoulda' left town sooner!" like out of a Bruce Willis movie because the writers thought it sounded cool. I seriously doubt it has anything at all to do with the plot, nor that he's a bad actor.

Besides it'd be retarded to show what would REALLY happen, because in the real world he'd just scream like a twelve year old girl and drop a brick in his shorts while running away consumed by utter, hysterical fear. If you doubt this at all, watch a video of what happened during some real disasters and see what i mean.


Not "they", just a couple people.

You'll notice that "they" were running in fear pretty much from the fireball onwards. Except Rob and the two girls who stood in front of the building and didn't run until the SOL head came hurtling toward them. We don't even know for sure that they ran then either. Girl 1 stood there, stunned. Rob actually lunged toward her and pushed her out of the street. We lost sight of them, so we don't even know if they ran then.

The reason that Rob's reactions stand out is because they're so out of place, not compared to some hypothetical people but compared to the people we actually see in the trailer.

raptorbpw wrote:
For example, everybody watched the WTC on 9/11...until they collapsed. Then the panicked flight began.


Which is what happened in the trailer, too. The party people were pretty much milling about in confusion, trying to figure out what had just happened, right up to the point where the debris started raining down on them. Then is was panicked flight time. Except for Rob (and maybe Girl 1) whose reactions just don't fit with everyone else's.
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JimmieBJr wrote:
18-Till-I-Die wrote:
People are grasping at this "They were acting too calm" thing and miss the fact that above all else this is a movie. It's not supposed to be realistic, nor are the characters' reactions. He said something witty like "Looks like you shoulda' left town sooner!" like out of a Bruce Willis movie because the writers thought it sounded cool. I seriously doubt it has anything at all to do with the plot, nor that he's a bad actor.

Besides it'd be retarded to show what would REALLY happen, because in the real world he'd just scream like a twelve year old girl and drop a brick in his shorts while running away consumed by utter, hysterical fear. If you doubt this at all, watch a video of what happened during some real disasters and see what i mean.


Not "they", just a couple people.

You'll notice that "they" were running in fear pretty much from the fireball onwards. Except Rob and the two girls who stood in front of the building and didn't run until the SOL head came hurtling toward them. We don't even know for sure that they ran then either. Girl 1 stood there, stunned. Rob actually lunged toward her and pushed her out of the street. We lost sight of them, so we don't even know if they ran then.

The reason that Rob's reactions stand out is because they're so out of place, not compared to some hypothetical people but compared to the people we actually see in the trailer.

raptorbpw wrote:
For example, everybody watched the WTC on 9/11...until they collapsed. Then the panicked flight began.


Which is what happened in the trailer, too. The party people were pretty much milling about in confusion, trying to figure out what had just happened, right up to the point where the debris started raining down on them. Then is was panicked flight time. Except for Rob (and maybe Girl 1) whose reactions just don't fit with everyone else's.


Exactly my point. It's very conspicuous. Can't chalk it up to bad acting or some such, because---hey, it isn't a matter of acting so much as it is writing and blocking/directing. The reactions were right on---confusion, anxiety, curiosity---until things started blowing up. That's how it happens.

The differing reaction of Rob (and maybe those couple others) was intentional, IMO.

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I really dunno guys. I think they were worried about their friend. I think they stuck around long enough to see the statue because they're the protagonists. I think Rob's probably connected to Slusho, but I think we might be going overboard with this.

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Whatever, i seriously doubt the creators would be THAT esoteric. I mean come on, why in the world would they suspect anyone would notice something so insignificant. Nor do i think it's bad acting, since i dont think it was supposed to be what we were focusing on. The entire point appears to be to reinforce the whole scene is about a giant monster they, and we, cant see. Their reaction is irrelevent to the overall theme. Even IF this Rob character had an atypical reaction, why would they bother putting that in the trailer when it would not be directly related to the movie. The movie, as far as we know, is supposed to be told from ground level, from the POV of people running around with video cameras and such. As such even if Rob had some connection to the monster it'd most likely never be revealed in the story.

And what connection could it be? He obviously didnt create it, as he doesnt strike me as a scientist and supposedly the guy who did was a Japanese guy. The fact Rob is going TO Japan may or may not mean anything at all, since the monster is obviously in New York and unless part of the story involves them getting on a plane, flying to Japan for no reason at all, and the attack resuming there it's unlikely to ever reach Japan. And most importantly of all, it's tremendously unlikely that even if he were connected to the monster, somwhow, that his reaction would be any different than anyone else's reaction. People dont suddenly behave differently in such a situation--they all just run, if they're scared enough. Run in stark, uncontolable fear. Which would be intensely boring.

People are grasping at an irrelevent split second of the trailer. And indeed i doubt that the trailer was meant to be THAT overanalyzed. People saying they see tendrils, demons, faces, wolves, lions etc etc in the smoke and all that. It struck me as a very straightforward trailer, befitting a monster movie. They sneak some little tidbits in there for the ARG people but i doubt every reel and scene and reaction is filled with meaning.

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18-Till-I-Die wrote:
Whatever, i seriously doubt the creators would be THAT esoteric. I mean come on, why in the world would they suspect anyone would notice something so insignificant. Nor do i think it's bad acting, since i dont think it was supposed to be what we were focusing on. The entire point appears to be to reinforce the whole scene is about a giant monster they, and we, cant see. Their reaction is irrelevent to the overall theme. Even IF this Rob character had an atypical reaction, why would they bother putting that in the trailer when it would not be directly related to the movie. The movie, as far as we know, is supposed to be told from ground level, from the POV of people running around with video cameras and such. As such even if Rob had some connection to the monster it'd most likely never be revealed in the story.

And what connection could it be? He obviously didnt create it, as he doesnt strike me as a scientist and supposedly the guy who did was a Japanese guy. The fact Rob is going TO Japan may or may not mean anything at all, since the monster is obviously in New York and unless part of the story involves them getting on a plane, flying to Japan for no reason at all, and the attack resuming there it's unlikely to ever reach Japan. And most importantly of all, it's tremendously unlikely that even if he were connected to the monster, somwhow, that his reaction would be any different than anyone else's reaction. People dont suddenly behave differently in such a situation--they all just run, if they're scared enough. Run in stark, uncontolable fear. Which would be intensely boring.

People are grasping at an irrelevent split second of the trailer. And indeed i doubt that the trailer was meant to be THAT overanalyzed. People saying they see tendrils, demons, faces, wolves, lions etc etc in the smoke and all that. It struck me as a very straightforward trailer, befitting a monster movie. They sneak some little tidbits in there for the ARG people but i doubt every reel and scene and reaction is filled with meaning.


Regardless, this is the "plot theory" thread and we're theorizing plot elements. Wink

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Regardless, this is the "plot theory" thread and we're theorizing plot elements.



Touche. Razz

Ok, well, my theory is thus...

I'm basing this on my best interpretation of the Slusho material which i suspect is the key to the whole shebang...

I believe some Japanese woman, possibly a scientist (real scientist, not crazed taste-obsessed fatty as described on the site) went out to find some creature or compound or substance. She vanishes, possibly dies. I would think she DIDNT die, which is the whole point. Her son goes out looking for her, becoming an "ocean scientist" (i suspect they mean a marine biologist) in his adulthood. As such he finds her, or what killed her, and brings it back to New York, King Kong-style, with extreme pressures and cold temperature keeping it asleep. Then, as the site puts it, "Slusho came to life!!!!" and starts roaring, and thus alive roaring creature becomes the monster seen in the trailer. I suspect little to none of this will be in the movie, per se, but background information. If the movie is told from a first person POV from that group using video cameras--a tricky concept to say the least--it'd be difficult if not impossible to sneak important plot points into the film in any other way that extremely contrived moments like "Hey you're that famous Japanese marine biologist whose mom died at sea years ago! Care to comment on the recent Kaiju attack sir?" which would be retarded. So we're probably going to get most of this through the ARG and viral marketing not the movie itself.

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Bleedingly obvious?

Woo hoo, 1st post....

Maybe they're taking the cheap'n'easy way out? That the monster and the "secret ingredient" are equivalent to Mothra and her eggs?

The big hole in that theory would be why it's going after New York. You'd figure it would have started wherever Slusho started in Japan.....

And count me in the group that doesn't see anything too odd with Rob's reactions. His stand out in comparison to the other people? Maybe because his reactions are forced to stand out because the cameraman keeps asking him questions and distracting him from the main action?

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18-Till-I-Die wrote:
Whatever, i seriously doubt the creators would be THAT esoteric. I mean come on, why in the world would they suspect anyone would notice something so insignificant. Nor do i think it's bad acting, since i dont think it was supposed to be what we were focusing on. The entire point appears to be to reinforce the whole scene is about a giant monster they, and we, cant see. Their reaction is irrelevent to the overall theme. Even IF this Rob character had an atypical reaction, why would they bother putting that in the trailer when it would not be directly related to the movie. The movie, as far as we know, is supposed to be told from ground level, from the POV of people running around with video cameras and such. As such even if Rob had some connection to the monster it'd most likely never be revealed in the story.

And what connection could it be? He obviously didnt create it, as he doesnt strike me as a scientist and supposedly the guy who did was a Japanese guy. The fact Rob is going TO Japan may or may not mean anything at all, since the monster is obviously in New York and unless part of the story involves them getting on a plane, flying to Japan for no reason at all, and the attack resuming there it's unlikely to ever reach Japan. And most importantly of all, it's tremendously unlikely that even if he were connected to the monster, somwhow, that his reaction would be any different than anyone else's reaction. People dont suddenly behave differently in such a situation--they all just run, if they're scared enough. Run in stark, uncontolable fear. Which would be intensely boring.

People are grasping at an irrelevent split second of the trailer. And indeed i doubt that the trailer was meant to be THAT overanalyzed. People saying they see tendrils, demons, faces, wolves, lions etc etc in the smoke and all that. It struck me as a very straightforward trailer, befitting a monster movie. They sneak some little tidbits in there for the ARG people but i doubt every reel and scene and reaction is filled with meaning.


I believe you are incorrect. As I stated in one of the other threads, this movie is, in part, about Rob and his connection to the monster. Perhaps he is an executive in the know about Slusho's effects.

The trailer is what they want to show us. With the limited amount of storytelling time, there will be little in it that is irrelevant. Every line is going to have some significance, and all the little characterizations we see are going to play into that character's role in the story.

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I'm running with two maybe three theories at the moment based on the following.

1) Some sort of foodstuff seems to be involved

2) Some sort of monster is involved

3) Its man-made (seemingly, or we are being led to believe it may be)


So I am going with :-

1) Remake of the thing (most unlikely)

2) Remake of the Stuff (more plausible, storyline fits in every way it can at the moment)

3) Game to Film conversion of Rampage which again storyline wise plays in quite well (Just checked online and the games drink was called Scum, and iirc it was addictive too)

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Yeah slusho came alive because slusho is The Blob.
Reasons: Slusho ingredient needs to be frozen = so does blob
Paramount has the rights, it's planned, the original director left. (Maybe JJ and Bad Robot stepped in?)
The new blob is supposed to be a blob with attitude, not just the all eating slime of yesteryear.
2008 is the fiftieth anniversary of the blob and 20 year of the first remake.
New Blob is some sort of Biological Lethal Organic Bomb and what do we really see of the monster in the movie? Nada except a big explosion.
Who knows what spin JJ would put on it.
Maybe since we've exhausted all leads so far we should channel some energy in this direction. On and another thing that makes me think it's a blob is the person saying "it's alive" in the trailer. Who the hell would ever say this about some giant monster ( of course it's alive) unless it's a superheated amorphous mass of jelly.
The parasite makes sense too you get it in you and of course you can't drink just six, remember when Homer ate the blob? He had to keep eating.
The whale from slusho we figured was someone who couldn't stop drinking or eating. Ganu couldn't stop either remember it says ganu soon grew big.
I'm 75% sure this new movie is the blob.

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I think a real theory can start to be formed, once we know what kind of work rob does... It seems(i'm assuming this is the guy leaving to japan i dont remember his name) he will be leaving for awhile... So, i can possible see this as a job opportunity for him going there... He seems like a successful(based on that rather nice loft) and somewhat popular person in his area (taking into account the amount of friends)... That being said, doesn't strike me as a research scientist, but possible some corporate exec or young entrepreneur...

This is a thread of theories, i'm thinking given the references to japan and water that this is either based on SOME japanese "water monster"... So, the suspects i'm sure with enough research that can be discerned...

Of course, the whole japanese angle could be a decoy, but my philosophy is to keep it simple and suspect this is some japanese type monster movie...

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