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This is a thread of theories, i'm thinking given the references to japan and water that this is either based on SOME japanese "water monster"... So, the suspects i'm sure with enough research that can be discerned...


I'm not feeling "Japanese water monster" here. I'm not a devotee of Abrams' work, but he seems the sort that goes in for what I call "real-world fantasy". That is, he introduces fantastic elements in his stories, but they adhere to a general real-world consistency. So you're not likely to find aliens or some magic teleportation beams or elves or stuff like that.

My difficulty with ths monster being a creature that's mostly lived underwater is the roaring thing. In order to roar, you need vocal chords. To get those, you have to mostly be an air-breather. They don't work well, so far as I know, in a system geared toward sucking down water. Now maybe if the monster wasn't actually living underwater but had been sleeping down there the whole time - sort of in a stasis perhaps.

I know..I know...Godzilla and all. But that wasn't an Abrams thing. I don't see that as his "kind" of monster. It doesn't feel right to me.
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 		I'm not sure about any of the ARG elements of this yet, though I do have some plot ideas.

Here's how I expect the movie's plot to unfold. Rob and his party are just one element of a few that will intertwine. After some time with them the focus will switch to a different part of the city with a different bunch of folks with a camera.

I also expect each segment to end with that group and the camera being killed/eaten.

When the next trailer comes out, I expect it to be a wholly different group of people. Maybe tourists visiting the SOL. Smile

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 		Couple things:

1) Every single picosecond in a trailer is edited, reviewed, re-edited, etc. It is highly improbable that anything in this trailer is incidental. In the scene in question, the camera is focused on Rob who looks directly at the camera and acts worried/grief-stricken/constipated. I believe this reaction is an intentional part of the trailer that the camera focused on, rather than a misjudged reaction on the part of the actor.

2) In response to the poster who said that we are paying attention to insignficant detail: I remind you of the Slusho t-shirt in the trailer, which is much less conspicuous than Rob's reaction, as well as JJ Abram's previous television programs. JJ Abrams revels in incidental detail.

3) The plot of this film is a complete mystery to me. About the only thing we have to go on is the history section of Slusho.

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Matches Malone wrote:


2) In response to the poster who said that we are paying attention to insignficant detail: I remind you of the Slusho t-shirt in the trailer, which is much less conspicuous than Rob's reaction, as well as JJ Abram's previous television programs. JJ Abrams revels in incidental detail.



Actually, someone had posted a pic of one of the filming permits and it clearly showed the working name for the film was Slusho!. The permit was posted a good 2 days before we got the official studio trailer and were able to clearly see the Slusho t-shirt. The clue was there...truth is none of us thought to look for a Slusho website. Guess we weren't in full on ARG mode yet. The point being, the two sites that have been found were both pretty obvious.
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JimmieBJr wrote:


The actions of Rob (who does seem to be the protagonist) do seem to point to this sort of thing, don't they? I mean, he is the only one in the trailer that doesn't seem to be so much confused at what's going on as nervous and worried, like he knew it was coming or is just realizing what he's done.


what im thinking
is that slusho (the company) wants to test their products "powers" so they use one of their employees (rob),
rob someone plants the slusho in an animal/human (The parasite). thinking that it wasnt supposed to cause a reaction in it so quickly he goes on with his life.
thinking the day after his going away party, is the day its gunna appear and destroy new york. but it happens that day.
which causes rob to be confused, and give all the looks he did on the street.

this is just a theory


I was thinking more along the lines of the mother being the monster attacking New York...when she disappeared all those years ago, she went all Sin from Final Fantasy X on 'em and turned into a huge monster. No doubt from her son's later "secret ingredient."
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Matches Malone wrote:
1) Every single picosecond in a trailer is edited, reviewed, re-edited, etc. It is highly improbable that anything in this trailer is incidental. In the scene in question, the camera is focused on Rob who looks directly at the camera and acts worried/grief-stricken/constipated. I believe this reaction is an intentional part of the trailer that the camera focused on, rather than a misjudged reaction on the part of the actor.


This also blends into your second point, but mostly thing one.

I'm not paying much attention to the stuff in the trailer that's very blurry or that only got an nth of a second screen time. That's incidental stuff. It doesn't grab our attention. What I'm looking for - and what I think we're all better off concentrating on - are the things that grab and hold our attention. If you have to put a screencap through three sharpenings to make something out, it's likely not part of the ARG. ARG clues aren't always easy to find, but they always catch your attention in some significant way.

We may not be able to make sense of them, but it helps our winnowing process. Remember, if you're the only one who thinks its significant after it's been posted a couple hours, it's probably not significant. If a couple few folks start digging around the hole you started, you might well have something.
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Blue K wrote:
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2) In response to the poster who said that we are paying attention to insignficant detail: I remind you of the Slusho t-shirt in the trailer, which is much less conspicuous than Rob's reaction, as well as JJ Abram's previous television programs. JJ Abrams revels in incidental detail.



Actually, someone had posted a pic of one of the filming permits and it clearly showed the working name for the film was Slusho!. The permit was posted a good 2 days before we got the official studio trailer and were able to clearly see the Slusho t-shirt. The clue was there...truth is none of us thought to look for a Slusho website. Guess we weren't in full on ARG mode yet. The point being, the two sites that have been found were both pretty obvious.


While we should probably collectively smack our heads for that one Wink, it doesn't negate my point, which is that everything in the trailer was meticulously crafted, right down to the shirt the guy was wearing. That was my only real point. While I do think all the clues from the trailer have been found(save for possibly the map on the wall), and that I think searching for vague number shapes in screencaps is going a bit too far (but who knows), I think the trailhead webpage is where to keep looking for the next step.

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Matches Malone wrote:
While we should probably collectively smack our heads for that one Wink, it doesn't negate my point, which is that everything in the trailer was meticulously crafted, right down to the shirt the guy was wearing. That was my only real point. While I do think all the clues from the trailer have been found(save for possibly the map on the wall), and that I think searching for vague number shapes in screencaps is going a bit too far (but who knows), I think the trailhead webpage is where to keep looking for the next step.


I agree.
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 		ditto

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if you're the only one who thinks its significant after it's been posted a couple hours, it's probably not significant. If a couple few folks start digging around the hole you started, you might well have something.


Except that the vast majority of people, excluding trolls and dipshits taking up space with nonsense, aren't looking at this, or considering it from Abrams' track record....they're completely off on goose chases on remote or abstract "associations" like....

The 6 seems significant on slusho, and then 50 people will find any random site that also focuses on 6 or has somebody named JJ profiled on page 6, or ignoring real world artifacts indiginous to a locale (like the graffitti tags), or overly focusing on trying to figure out where Rob lives (for what purpose?)...or the clover blog and processed cheese must be related to slusho and they were eating sushi in the trailer - and on and on with stuff that is just associative and not relevant to the content of the trailer - ie. the STORY being presented.

I can go out and find scores of sites with Japanese elements but you have to still look at these things in the context of the STORY being presented by the trailer, none of which was arbitrary outside props.

What has been made pretty clear given the slusho shirt is that Abrams MO so to speak is putting it in plain sight, the incidentals.

Also, it's a trailer. If we are to presume that they hid embedded numbers or whatever in any element of the scenes themselves that are not immediately visible (whether you notice them or not is beside the point), then we have to presume the point of airing the trailer online for us was to desteg graphics which is unlikely with the video trailer.

Again, we see the trailer first on the big movie screen, NOT online, and nobody has any access to the trailer to pick up things, clues embedded in the video itself. What we look for is what the camera sees. Not what's embedded into the film.

A few people have already decompiled the flash elements and come up empty...that would suggest to me that there's nothing hidden IN the images of either site. There is also no funny business with the script and code. That would suggest to me that there's nothing hidden IN the code as a code.

All we have left is the visual itself - what we SEE, nevermind whether we pick up on it or not. We ALL saw the trailer in the theater who went. We ALL SAW the slusho shirt in giantsize letters. Next to nobody picked up on it due to the overriding confusion as to WTF was up. And nobody would unless they were already Abrams fans and familiar with slusho at all. It took someone posting about the flier in LA mentioning slusho waaay early on in the thread of doom and it got IGNORED by everyone until someone else came in after we got hold of the trailer and NOTICED the guy had on a slusho shirt.

Plain sight.

If he was wearing a Metallica shirt we'd all notice it and think nothing about it other than wardrobe. Why does slusho become relevant?

It doesn't actually exist.

Why have a shirt OR a site for it? Its introduction came from an Abrams production of Alias a year ago. The site was created a MONTH ago. That makes it 1-18 relevant.

But looking at the little gold 2 in the banner in the photo when it's also visible as a strip of gold in the trailer isn't likely relevant because we didn't have that sort of access to the film or the images at the theater.

Slusho history has a story with characters, a plot, a potential murder mystery, and lots of bad science on the table, and because it's already tied to 1-18, its Japanese element makes the same in 1-18 trailer relevant. 1-18 has a story with characters, a plot, a potential monster attack, and lots of bad science on the table.

It's also shot Blair Witch style, from this group's perspective and focused on photography and film from the viewer perspective, not as hidden in code perspective. The bridge here is between the real group at the party in NY, and the history of the slusho drink needs to be found likely by looking for the incidentals....and very probably taking the story out of fairytale mode and putting it in real world mode.

And figuring out WTF slusho zoom is and why horses think of oven mits and fishes think of cheese BUT having done that with any theory, it STILL has to come back and provide some relevance to the real world events shown in the trailer.

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 		I'll bet it's related to Sector 7, too.

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 		This looked like an interesting plot hook. I boldfaced some goodies out of it for emphasis.
Kayberry wrote:
Or in other words, the special ingredient for today is...methane hydride?

Taken from http://www.trochilic.com/glossary/index.htm :

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methane hydride - A frozen lattice-like substance, huge amounts of which underlie our oceans and polar permafrost. This crystalline combination of a natural gas and water (known technically as a clathrate) looks remarkably like ice but burns when exposed to a lit match. Methane hydrate discovered only a few decades ago, with little research done on it until recently. By some estimates, the energy locked up in methane hydrate deposits is more than twice the global reserves of all conventional gas, oil, and coal deposits combined. However, no one has yet figured out how to pull out the gas inexpensively, and no one knows how much is actually recoverable.


This stuff forms in the deep ocean, under high pressure and cold temperatures. It's similar to dry ice in that it'll evaporate from solid state at room temperature, except it releases methane instead of carbon dioxide. There happen to be large deposits of it around Japan which they're currently trying to engineer a way to extract for natural gas production. And it's probably unwise to eat the stuff. It does fit the description of our mystery ingredient, at the very least it could be the inspiration for it.


Methane Hydride, as noted, fits the descriptions of the Slusho Secret Ingredient pretty much to a T, including when it was discovered.

It's being touted as a possible, but volatile, solution to slowing global climate change. It's a strange compound, because it doesn't seem to have a fixed chemical formula. The amount of water molecules can change depending on how it was formed.

I'm not sure how it could be deliciously ingested, though.

It might also fit with the unusually-high temperature seen in the trailer.
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 		I'm not sure where else to put this, but I have a bit of "NOT PLOT" elements.

Maybe not so much that but, why in the world are people linking things to 9/11 already. It's been bugging me and just throws everyone off course. Sure 9/11 happened in New York, but does that mean we need to make every movie set in New York with an explosion a reference to 9/11?

Listen guys, this slusho thing has nothing to do with anything. The fact of the matter is, It's a giant mecha Osama Bin Laden with weapons of mass distruction build into his forehead. He actually just wanted to dance with Lady Liberty, but then went in to kiss her and her head flew off by accident!

Sea monsters?
Pfff

It's so all about 9/11 dudes.

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 		Wow Jimmy....that's intriguing as hell. The methane portion could also easily explain the massive explosions too. It could be part of the evaporation that caused it to ignite. Where were you looking when you found this? And...what would we look for in the way of a slusho trail to the missing ingredient?

And on a halfbaked note - oven mit you need to handle hot things. Cheese is best served cold ;-p

Or like my 8yo suggested...over fishsticks!

EDIT....Interesting angle....

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Mechanism
Methane clathrate, also called methane hydrate, is a form of water ice that contains a large amount of methane within its crystal structure. Extremely large deposits of methane clathrate have been found under sediments on the ocean floors of the Earth. The sudden release of large amounts of natural gas from methane clathrate deposits in a runaway greenhouse effect could be a cause of past and future climate changes.

The release of this trapped methane is a potential major outcome of a rise in temperature; it is thought that this might increase the global temperature by an additional 5°C in itself, as methane is much more powerful as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide (despite its atmospheric lifetime of around 12 years, it has a global warming potential of 62 over 20 years and 23 over 100 years). The theory also predicts this will greatly affect available oxygen content of the atmosphere.


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tinag222 wrote:
Wow Jimmy....that's intriguing as hell. The methane portion could also easily explain the massive explosions too. It could be part of the evaporation that caused it to ignite. Where were you looking when you found this? And...what would we look for in the way of a slusho trail to the missing ingredient?

And on a halfbaked note - oven mit you need to handle hot things. Cheese is best served cold ;-p

Or like my 8yo suggested...over fishsticks!


Actually, I just found the post on it in the main ARG thread. I'm not sure where that poster came up with the connection.

To half bake that half-baked note - you also use a mitt to handle very cold things (Google up a picture of someone carrying liquid nitrogen).

I'm not sure where the Slusho trail goes. It could be a piece of the puzzle but we don't yet have enough pieces to start putting them together.
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 		Oh but wait...there's more...

http://www.resa.net/nasa/ocean_methane.htm

Scroll down to: and recall "parasite"


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Methane Hydrate




The latest and greatest is the discovery of a very wierdo worm living on methane hydrate extrusions in the Gulf of Mexico. Methane hydrate is solid ("frozen") at the bottom of seas and oceans, even though the temperature is above what is sealevel freezing for this chemical - the pressure there allows the solid state to maintain despite a "non-freezing" temperature (but, never fear, it's cold anyway).

There is estimated to be just one humongous lot of this methane hydrate just under the seafloor along the continental shelves and since methane is just the greenhouse gas par excellence, we better hope that the oceans don't warm up enough to turn the solid hydrate to gas. Here and there the hydrate extrudes out from under the sediment and this was the locus of the recent discovery of ...


Hydrates
These gas hydrates are actually natural methane-water ices, which form under conditions of high pressure and low temperature in many areas worldwide. Gas hydrate is a crystalline solid consisting of gas molecules, usually methane, each surrounded by a cage of water molecules. It looks very much like water ice. Methane hydrate is stable in ocean floor sediments at water depths greater than 300 meters and, where it occurs, it is known to cement loose sediments in a surface layer up to several hundred meters thick.

The Worm
... discovered a new species of polychaete worm living on the exposed surface of a methane gas hydrate mound. These pink worms (now called "ice worms") are about 1-2 inches in length, and apparently sculpt the surface of the gas hydrate by the hundreds. It is not yet known to what extent the worm colonies use the hydrate mounds for protection or nutrition, but they are at present the only animals known to inhabit this unique habitat.

A team of university scientists photographed and sampled the worms living on and within mounds of methane ice on the floor of the Gulf of Mexico about 150 miles south of New Orleans. Although scientists had hypothesized that bacteria might colonize the gas hydrates, this is the first time animals have been found living in the methane mounds.

It is not known what influence these dense colonies of marine worms, called polychaetes, have on these energy-rich gas deposits.

New "Ice Worms" Discovered in Gulf of Mexico
-- Minerals Management Service, Gulf of Mexico OCS Region




another link with photos

http://www-ocean.tamu.edu/Quarterdeck/QD5.3/macdonald.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11504544/


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Feb 22, 2006
PARADISE, Wash. - A tiny worm that lives in glaciers and snowfields is drawing attention for what it could reveal about life on other planets.

The ice worm inhabits glacial regions in the coastal ranges of Alaska, British Columbia, Washington and Oregon. The odd creature easily moves through ice, is liveliest near the freezing point of water and dissolves into a goo when warmed.

...snip....

The downside is extreme sensitivity to heat. At about 40 degrees Fahrenheit (4 degrees Celsius), the worms' membranes melt and their enzymes go haywire.

{wonder what 63deg would do...}




It's interesting in its own right tho really Razz




And ya gotta admit....we haven't done huge alive ice worm monsters before....it would be a new one!

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