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 		I don't know if the SOL is open to the public anymore, but I've been in it when it was. It's small as hell, and I remember braining myself on more than one occasion on my way up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_Of_Liberty

The status is just over 150' high, and it's head is roughly 17' high by 10' wide. So it's about the size of your average car, give or take.

The sound analysis on the roar doesn't come up much. The first roar, the one at the party, has a distinctive inhale at the beginning, and the exhale is what causes the rumbling, car alarms, etc... That, compounded with the fact that I can't think of many things in New York that would create an eighty story high fireball, makes me believe that the blast comes directly from the creature breathing fire, rather than something detonating due to destruction.

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 		plot points
I split out the conversation that was drifting after this point. This thread is for plot theories, i presume about the plot of the movie (I may have misunderstood). That other conversation was more "meta", talking about whether or not this is a game, and whether or not we have any goals at this point. Continue to use this thread to discuss plot points you can glean from the movie trailer.

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 		SOL head
I realize it's been covered, but I want to reiterate that the SOL head you see is realistically sized. I thought it seemed small too because I learned everything I know about the SOL from watching Ghostbusters II, but in reality it is much smaller.

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 		Just tossing ideas out there
I saw a post somewhere with an "inside source" mentioning that the biggest hint in the trailer was the guy saying "It's alive, it's huge"

If you were being chased by a humongous monster, would you say "It's alive"?

I can understand saying "it's huge" but remarking that it's alive really isnt necessary unless it's something that we know shouldnt be alive.

Someone also mentioned the scene in the Lost second season finale where they see a huge foot of a statue, but nothing else.

It was never tied in to anything and I'm not speculating that this is Lost related, however, it wouldnt be a stretch to say that perhaps it's a line of thinking that Abrams has had as a pet idea for a while and while it didnt come into play in Lost, he's doing it as a movie.



Judging from the size of that foot, if a real statue had been there it would have been HUGE.

It reminded me of one of the ancient seven wonders of the world, I give you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_of_Rhodes

To add to this, on a plaque that sits at the base of the Statue of Liberty, which was coincidentally designed with the Colossus of Rhodes in mind, reads the following:

"The New Colossus"

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"



I'm just tossing an idea out.

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 		Re: Just tossing ideas out there
cassiv wrote:
I saw a post somewhere with an "inside source" mentioning that the biggest hint in the trailer was the guy saying "It's alive, it's huge"

If you were being chased by a humongous monster, would you say "It's alive"?

I can understand saying "it's huge" but remarking that it's alive really isnt necessary unless it's something that we know shouldnt be alive.

Someone also mentioned the scene in the Lost second season finale where they see a huge foot of a statue, but nothing else.

It was never tied in to anything and I'm not speculating that this is Lost related, however, it wouldnt be a stretch to say that perhaps it's a line of thinking that Abrams has had as a pet idea for a while and while it didnt come into play in Lost, he's doing it as a movie.



Judging from the size of that foot, if a real statue had been there it would have been HUGE.

It reminded me of one of the ancient seven wonders of the world, I give you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_of_Rhodes

To add to this, on a plaque that sits at the base of the Statue of Liberty, which was coincidentally designed with the Colossus of Rhodes in mind, reads the following:

"The New Colossus"

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"



I'm just tossing an idea out.


I looked into the whole Colossus thing the other day and I know it might sound silly, but what if it was the Colossus come to life and he was pissed at this "New Colossus" and what it represented? Eh - that is just silly... OK - time for my meeting.
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 		What Would Make For A Killer Cloverfield Movie
Okay, with all the bits and pieces of info we got coming in, some credible, others speculative, I fleshed out, not what I think it's about or what the plot is, but what I would really like to see, or what could be a truly cool kickin movie come 1-18....


So they throw us a bone for Slusho and we are led to the Slusho company/corp pages and we find a profile there for Rob, who is making great strides in the us branch of the company and word on the vine is he's up for promotion. We get an incidental email and can begin interacting with Rob (or slusho shirt guy) or any of the characters shown in the trailer. (Consideration: clues lead from the kid-like commercial site to the actual company site in grown up land?)

(Option B but cheesy - webmaster of Slusho is IG and hides the clues there that will lead to some other hidden thing telling the real story of Slusho and the concern over it's toxic slash dangerous substance, etc)


Meanwhile, we get led to a couple of blogs for one or more of the main characters and this far in advance...so we can add friends and get messages and read up on stuff they're doing, getting pulled in to their lives and the buzz about Rob's promotion, and various allusions to something not right with the company and Rob maybe gonna make some changes, etc. As time goes on and gets closer, we're there as "friends" to see Rob get promoted, and "friends" with his buddies who start planning the going away party, we get invites even Razz


(AND TSHIRTS DAMMIT!)


So we're like getting to know them all over the next half a dozen months. Meanwhile, we're uncovering stuff about Slusho's business practices, trying to get to Ganu or somebody to stop it, it's gotten out of hand, some "thing" mutated and has become a disaster waiting to happen. And it all begins to funnel toward 1-18-08....and at some point before then the blogs cease activity so we can't warn them....they're all busy and not logging in, etc.

Then comes 1-18....and shit happens...and then the cameras are recovered. The movie is as it's suggested it is - something happens and they find the cameras and play the footage to see what happened. We see our friends last night and what happened to them.

The movie itself is left mostly open ended as far as the whole story on the monster thing, but the online stuff, game aspect is open for us to go on to figure out what that's about and solve it, fix it, etc.

It would be completely different and novel, and immersive. I think if they did something like that where we're interacting with the characters for a period of time leading up to 1-18 (not the actors, but whoever), and then see them get killed off, that'd be emotionally immersive and we'd be connected to this story bigtime - cause we'd still have an investment to see the flick and see if any of them make it since we all know they're gonna die or supposed to.

(Picture it: a bunch of people show up in theaters across the country wearing slusho shirts....and at the end, all those people are balling like babies leaving the theater. Heh).

Okay...whatever...but if nothing else, the blog part would be cool.

IN LIGHT OF THAT, AN OPEN DOOR CLUE HERE WOULD BE GREAT!!!!

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 		Re: What Would Make For A Killer Cloverfield Movie
tinag222 wrote:

IN LIGHT OF THAT, AN OPEN DOOR CLUE HERE WOULD BE GREAT!!!!


<drevil>Throw us a frikking bone here</drevil>
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 		In light of a bone, I'm open to a pic of Colin Farrel naked.

(with his phone number on it)

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 		Ugh...posted this in the ginormous thread last night...should have been here. Too much libationing last night. Embarassed

Here's my theory...just 'cause everyone's doing it:

Slusho is not a drink. It's an iceberg with a meteor frozen inside. A huge meteor. So big in fact, that scientists can't work on it in the arctic (or Antarctic...wherever), so they decide to tow the iceberg (I know, farfetched. I remembered this news story about a Saudi prince who's been trying to do this for a long time...it's not a new idea) down to New York. They tow that bad boy up the Bay and park it right next to the SoL. The scientists start working on the meteor by mounting a large drilling rig right on top of the iceberg, boring through the ice to get to the meteor. As tourists flock to see it, it becomes one of those cultural phenoms that capture the attention of the nation, or at least those who think that cable news is actually news. Anyway, the NYC press has a field day with this thing. They go to town. One of the newspaper starts calling it Slusho! It's a giant icee with a straw sticking out the top, and it's sitting right there in the harbor. T-shirts, mugs, floor mats...all the usual paraphenalia's being hawked. Maybe the meteor inside makes it look blue.

Everything's going fine until the unseasonably warm winter temps. Slusho begins earning its name now because, well, it's starting to get slushy. Melting it is. When it reaches its critical point...blammo. It's alive, it's huge That's why they're shocked...they've lived with, Hell, they've celebrated this thing. It's familiar but it isn't what they were sure it would be. I'm betting it's hungry as well.

What's Rob's part in all this? Don't know.
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 		Or maybe Bad Robot is just taking the Snakes on a Plane phenomenon to new heights. Create a trailer that leads to rampant speculation and generates significant hype then cull ideas from the fanbase's subsequent online discussion. Only for the whole movie, not just the title and a couple lines of dialog.

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 		It's Rambaldi Reincarnate! he was frozen at the bottom of the seas off of japan, the slusho people discovered him and he's come to NY to look for Syd's eggs. He's hoarse & roaring because he drank way more than 6 slusho's- he drank 47 to be exact. Felicity is going to save the day.

There. It's not Lost related, it's not Voltron, *and* "he's ALIVE"!

lol, I'm just kidding.

For the record, I have full faith in Jbrams. This is gonna be good whatever he's doing. Smile

In regards to ARGs and "experiences" from Jbrams: Felicity had a pretty neat "online presence" and Alias started that way too. When Jbrams and Alexander (and Orci) saw the attention their few sites for Alias provided for the show it morphed into an ARG. Then unfortunately Season 2, ABC took matters into their own hands and the darn web hunt thing was created (ick). JJ's got a nice basis in knowing what we like and what we'll look for. Granted the Season 1 AWP (Alias Web Puzzle) was a bit slow, but it really was fun, creative, and pretty much brought steganography to us.

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Blue K wrote:
Ugh...posted this in the ginormous thread last night...should have been here. Too much libationing last night. Embarassed

Here's my theory...just 'cause everyone's doing it:

Slusho is not a drink. It's an iceberg with a meteor frozen inside. A huge meteor. So big in fact, that scientists can't work on it in the arctic (or Antarctic...wherever), so they decide to tow the iceberg (I know, farfetched. I remembered this news story about a Saudi prince who's been trying to do this for a long time...it's not a new idea) down to New York. They tow that bad boy up the Bay and park it right next to the SoL. The scientists start working on the meteor by mounting a large drilling rig right on top of the iceberg, boring through the ice to get to the meteor. As tourists flock to see it, it becomes one of those cultural phenoms that capture the attention of the nation, or at least those who think that cable news is actually news. Anyway, the NYC press has a field day with this thing. They go to town. One of the newspaper starts calling it Slusho! It's a giant icee with a straw sticking out the top, and it's sitting right there in the harbor. T-shirts, mugs, floor mats...all the usual paraphenalia's being hawked. Maybe the meteor inside makes it look blue.

Everything's going fine until the unseasonably warm winter temps. Slusho begins earning its name now because, well, it's starting to get slushy. Melting it is. When it reaches its critical point...blammo. It's alive, it's huge That's why they're shocked...they've lived with, Hell, they've celebrated this thing. It's familiar but it isn't what they were sure it would be. I'm betting it's hungry as well.

What's Rob's part in all this? Don't know.


Well, that is pretty creative.

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 		I've been thinking a while about that part "It's alive, it's huge"...

Thats actually TWO statements at once there. Not only is he shocked to see this thing living and breathing, he's also fairly stunned at the sheer SIZE of it.

It's not just alive, but alive and HUGE. He's just as shocked about the latter, if not more so by the tone of his voice, than the former. This to me seems to indicate he's seen something similar to it before but both inanimate and considerably smaller.

Thats just something i thought was interesting to ponder.


Now, my theory, cause thats what all the other kids are doing these days...

I figure this is something that people usually consider to be smaller and inanimate, unlike the creature the witnesses saw in the trailer. Now i'm more convinced than ever this is some terrestrial creature, and most likely an extict one. Or, on the other hand, possibly something most people would consider "inanimate" even though by most objective standards they aren't like plants.

I'm half-reminded of that story from Creepshow 2 called "The Raft" wherein a bunch of kids stumble on a huge, sluglike oily monster living in a lake and become trapped by the creature on a raft. I don't know why...maybe all the talk of "slusho" and the way it sounds...but that was the first thought that came to mind when i started thinking on it.


Sooo...whatta' you guys think? Cause other than that i got nothin'. Razz

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 		I think the plot involves a doll-sized model of Chuck Norris and a mysterious ingredient found in a new drink.

Kid loses Chuck doll. It falls down a drain. Some of the mystery drink gets on it.

Doll grows to enormous size and a some point does a roundhouse kick that take the SOL head off.

Eventually it's destroyed by the real Chuck Norris because he is tougher even than a 250 foot version of himself.

....or maybe it's got something to do with the giant squid corpse at NY zoo.

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 		New Theories and ones i agree with
Hopeful thinking?
Look, here are my theories:

First off, maybe this is a continuation of Lost and/or Heroes. it would make sense. the roar from that 'creature' in the video sounds strikingly similar to the mechanical roar of the creature in lost.

My own personal theory is a possible continuation of an old movie that could have been better. I think this could very possibly be another Godzilla movie. Godzilla is supposed to be dead ( I think) and he was huge. Also, an earlier statement of the definent inhale and exhale of the first roar would match up with the way Godzilla created his flames and would also explain the eight-story fireball. It would also explain an earlier post about the shape a of T-Rex in the smoke, because that was basically what Godzilla was, right? A giant, fire-breathing T-Rex. Honestly, it's both wishful thinking a fact-ish stuff in my theory. but it's possible.

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