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Kai Orion
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 		New pieces of facts from video
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Look, I noticed something new about the video previusly overlooked. After they are on the roof, watch carefully as the camera pans towards pillar of flames. in the background, you will see another short mushroom cloud of fire just on the horizon. That would mean the 'creature' would have to travel extremely far across the city in only a few seconds of time. That means there is probably more than one 'creature' ( also, expanding on my earlier theory, didn't Godzilla in the American make have babies? maybe they grew up...)

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Rob and last man
Another suspicious fact. Most of us have been assuming Rob and the last man shown are the same person. But, in fact, they are deffenentely 2 different people! This is proven by a few things. Rob, our main character thus far, is the man with short hair who walks in the front door and then quickly peeks into a room we cannot see in ( also mysterious...). then you'll notice the man standing under the we'll miss you Rob banner is the man with the 'frizzy' hair and goatee/sideburns, who at the end of the video says' This is gonna be the best night ever'. We also n=know Rob is the short haired man in the scene where someone says something like ' what are we gonna do without you?" and Rob, short hair, replies ' i dunno.' Also, this may be me, but doesn't Rob seem kinda rushed and paranoid throughout the whole video???

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Rob and last man
Kai Orion wrote:
Another suspicious fact. Most of us have been assuming Rob and the last man shown are the same person. But, in fact, they are deffenentely 2 different people! This is proven by a few things. Rob, our main character thus far, is the man with short hair who walks in the front door and then quickly peeks into a room we cannot see in ( also mysterious...). then you'll notice the man standing under the we'll miss you Rob banner is the man with the 'frizzy' hair and goatee/sideburns, who at the end of the video says' This is gonna be the best night ever'. We also n=know Rob is the short haired man in the scene where someone says something like ' what are we gonna do without you?" and Rob, short hair, replies ' i dunno.' Also, this may be me, but doesn't Rob seem kinda rushed and paranoid throughout the whole video???


i think the last dude is the $11 dude

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 		AFAIK, the Godzilla theory is effectively debunked unless there's been some changes made by Toho by bringing it back earlier then they originally planned, and then sold the rights to a new company instead of Sony/Columbia/TriStar again.
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 		I had an idea... What if the movie doesn't focus on the monster's history at all? Rather, the movie simply starts with a big, unexplained monster showing up and tearing through New York City? It is, after all, from the perspective of the "man on the street," who arguably wouldn't have any insight in to that type of information anyway.

Furthermore, what if the purpose of this ARG is to reveal what the monster's history is? Go beyond the story of the movie and go in depth as to its beginnings. The Slusho site already makes reference to science experiments, deep sea elements, etc... What is the goal of the ARG is to discover the back story and all the parties involved that led to the creation (or discovery) of the creature and it's subsequent release in to the wild that is New York City?

I think we shouldn't be focusing on that the monster is. I think we should be focusing on where it came from. In light of the scientific implications on the Slusho site, I have reason to believe that it was either (a) created through science, in a lab, or (b) discovered through science. Either way, it couldn't be contained.

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Nighthawk wrote:
I had an idea... What if the movie doesn't focus on the monster's history at all? Rather, the movie simply starts with a big, unexplained monster showing up and tearing through New York City? It is, after all, from the perspective of the "man on the street," who arguably wouldn't have any insight in to that type of information anyway.

Furthermore, what if the purpose of this ARG is to reveal what the monster's history is? Go beyond the story of the movie and go in depth as to its beginnings. The Slusho site already makes reference to science experiments, deep sea elements, etc... What is the goal of the ARG is to discover the back story and all the parties involved that led to the creation (or discovery) of the creature and it's subsequent release in to the wild that is New York City?

I think we shouldn't be focusing on that the monster is. I think we should be focusing on where it came from. In light of the scientific implications on the Slusho site, I have reason to believe that it was either (a) created through science, in a lab, or (b) discovered through science. Either way, it couldn't be contained.


I think that's a very good theory and it has strong ARG precedent.

For those who are dying to see a Godzilla parallel here, the original movie didn't delve into Godzilla's history much either. He was simply a force of nature that destroyed Tokyo and went back into the sea.
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 		Whatever the plot is, isn't it being done on the cheap, unless you want to be laughed at you wouldn't attempt a big monster movie with limited resources and the date of release indicates it is clearly not a summer blockbuster style of film.

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 		Plot Theory
Observations and possible script
The following is culled from the thousands of posts I've read since watching Transformers on July 3rd. This is the best I can come up with so far.

I can't believe that we've become stuck on certain elements of the story that just don't make sense.

Consider:

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Just because the movie's CALLED "1-18-08" and scheduled to come out 1-18-08, that doesn't mean it HAPPENED in January.

No, I don't buy the fact that the pictures are dated as such... They have to pick *some* date to define a chain of events, and it makes no sense for a camera to datestamp the time only.


This should be obvious to us.

As for all the "Why would they say It's Alive?" people: This has been part of the Monster movie tradition from the very beginning.

Slusho: This is a fictional drink first introduced in "Alias" and now being used by JJ Abrams to fuel a viral marketing campaign. We're all trying to actually tie the history of Slusho to the possible script of the movie. I agree that there are many clues in the history but perhaps the Fish & Swiss is telling us that it's a fishy story and full of more holes than Swiss cheese. There's an outline there but no substance, such as seeing land animals breathing under water.

As for Slusho itself being the title of the film; it is, like Cloverfield, a mis-direction.

The movie opens with a view of a devasted Manhattan. Rescue workers searching through the rubble find a video camera. Everyone knows what has happened but no one seems to know why, until someone decides to press play on the camcorder and the following story is played out:

A young man, a world famous (he is very big) oceanographer by the name of Rob (Perhaps named after famed oceanographer Robert Ballard) goes on a scientific search expedition looking for something that may have cost his famous mother her life. Perhaps she was a geneticist (after her Father) and improved people's lives by genetic manipulation of embryos. Her search for the ultimate elixir (extended human lifespan) led her on a mission to the south seas, following a lead pointing to the lost continent of Mu.

Now Rob follows in her footsteps and, somewhere not too far from Japan (Marianas?) he and his crew find something, an island or perhaps a sunken temple, where he finds out what happened to his mother. He also finds what she was looking for: a secret too hot for the world to yet know. (A Rosetta stone of ancient genetic engineering perhaps.) Although seeing warnings all over the ruins not to remove anything lying there, and hints of a curse upon whoever does so, Rob has visions of his stature as a scientist growing even bigger and perhaps even beyond his area of expertise; so he takes this heirloom of an ancient and perhaps alien race back home with him, and enlists the aid of a Japanese company to help him extract the secret for worldwide use. They agree to help him, even though some of them superstitiously believe that he has stirred up the spirit of an ancient Japanese Land and Sea spirit known as a Kappa. And not just any Kappa, but the First One.

Back in New York, Rob teams up with his geneticist cousin (Jason?) and tells him what he's learned. He also tells him about the "curse" placed upon this item and his plans to go to Japan to oversee the work of the Japanese company.

Somewhere in the deeps an ancient spirit awakens, not necessarily for revenge but definitely for retrieval. It smells something and sets its sights on New York.

And the rest is in the trailer.

My two cents. Yes, very Lovecraftian and yes, very Godzilla-ish but still a chance of making it original.

Yes, No, Maybe?

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 		I like it but you've kinda substituted Rob for Ganu for no apparent reason. Sorta. And I'm guessing we're supposed to take the Slusho story as literal backstory, otherwise it's totally pointless.

This is what I think. Backstory - Ganu and Slusho corp. is the front for a Lovecraftian cult who have compromised human biology by infusing Slusho with God-knows what. This is all from the History of Slusho.

Rob is part of this, somehow. What his role is, and what happens in the movie, I have no idea.

On 1-18-08 whatever the "whale" is begins it's forceful harvest of man. Anyone who has drunk enough Slusho is compromised and may be taken over and either subsumed into the thing's biomass or become smaller creatures themselves. Shit hits the fan.

To top it off? The crew that finds the tape: perhaps... not human? Perhaps they're wearing suits that they take off in the final scene.

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To top it off? The crew that finds the tape: perhaps... not human? Perhaps they're wearing suits that they take off in the final scene.


That would be really cool. Gives it a Twilight Zone type ending.

I changed everything around because I thought of the history of Slusho more as metaphor than downright literal. A Biblical reading of the page, perhaps? Wink

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 		Hmm, maybe. My hope and fear is that Abrams is going to give us a Lovecraftian hopeless apocalypse and destruction of man from a first hand perspective. Now that would be original, and pretty horrifying.

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rhialto wrote:
Hmm, maybe. My hope and fear is that Abrams is going to give us a Lovecraftian hopeless apocalypse and destruction of man from a first hand perspective. Now that would be original, and pretty horrifying.


Oh agreed...DEFINITELY agreed.

This has gotten so deep under my skin that last night I had a dream that I was on the "Lost" island fighting monsters side by side with Sayid.

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 		Gaia's last stand
Moaning word during first roar/rumble
During the party when the first rumble takes place, the audio slightly preceeding sounds like a deep sensual female voice (well it does to me) initially I thought it was saying 'The Way' and dont know if you notice it or its just me that hearing it over 5.1 surround. But the rumble then concludeds with what I can only describe as a sigh, equivilent of the expelling of breath at the end of a word as when you might say goodbye but hang on to the bye bit until your lungs are enpty.

Listening to it over and over obviously has its faults as you start to hear all sort of variations on the original thought, but I finally hit one that kinda made sense if this was a big big movie that hoped to breath life into our responsibilities as a human race to the plant while retaining a belief in something bigger out there. The word I concluded on was YHWH or Yaweh aka. God.

The story line might go something like:

There is a galactic battle that the minons of the plants have always been oblivious to, the planets although speculativly rotating in some sort of pattern or order are actually living entity biospheres in their own right and each is its protector to the minions of the planet, to the universe its just another entity and even these huge entities have their diety . An attack has taken place and as the incoming attack takes place the planet calls out to YHWH as the attack hits and a sigh on the call trails out after the hit and the entity is fataly wounded.
The misson should they choose to accept it akin to Jason and the argonauts is to find a leader (Jason) and pull together their most trusted (Rob who has insight and influence for an ingredient) to counter the attack and protect the entity, to do this they need an essence long hidden deep within the bowls of the earth, one that is currently being mined as an ingredient to a common but addictive drink called slusho, the story unfurls that this ingredient is what is needed to actually provide a method of defence to protect the planet (Gaia) against the incoming bombardment.

Story spins off into a global totting misson to get the essence, produce the defence mechnism and repell the unknown attackers into a state of status quo, films end with a slight clue recorded by someone during the first attack which now makes sense as to where the attack had come from - cue Cloverfield II [Your Guiness (guess) is as good as mine].

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 		Parallel thinking or some such
Lol, Anteros, I got my plot together and though I just got to post it without having read your post, then after scrolling back up the posts I finally read it. Like it, like it a lot, perhaps because it almost parallels my own thinking.

We may have just given Abrams his film plot.

Do we get any royalties?

(c) Anteros and Drone41279 (just in case)

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Nighthawk wrote:
I had an idea... What if the movie doesn't focus on the monster's history at all? Rather, the movie simply starts with a big, unexplained monster showing up and tearing through New York City? It is, after all, from the perspective of the "man on the street," who arguably wouldn't have any insight in to that type of information anyway.

Furthermore, what if the purpose of this ARG is to reveal what the monster's history is? Go beyond the story of the movie and go in depth as to its beginnings. The Slusho site already makes reference to science experiments, deep sea elements, etc... What is the goal of the ARG is to discover the back story and all the parties involved that led to the creation (or discovery) of the creature and it's subsequent release in to the wild that is New York City?

I think we shouldn't be focusing on that the monster is. I think we should be focusing on where it came from. In light of the scientific implications on the Slusho site, I have reason to believe that it was either (a) created through science, in a lab, or (b) discovered through science. Either way, it couldn't be contained.


I'm with you on the first part. However, I've been saying for a while that I think the reason the slusho history page is suspicious is only so we'd notice it and flag it as IG. I think the movie will be a first person experience, and will focus on the average man, and not the president (kind of like the plot of "Signs", where you don't see the big picture. Only one person's story.)

But if the ARG will tell us the backstory, I'm all for it!
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