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SLUSHO_ZOOM!
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 		ehhh...
That's a stretch. They don't really sound alike.

Plus meteors landing with aliens coming out is a bit war of the worlds.

Something based on a myth could be fun. I was thinking a japanese myth because of the Slusho history angle. But DAMN the japanese have hundreds of monster myths. And they're all every culturally specific to Japan and or shintoism.

Any Swiss monster myths? Good american ones that are not Big Foot or Champ or the Jersey Devil?

Maybe an old fisherman's myth from the northeast.

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 		It's been mentioned before that the sound has something to do with the bloop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bloop

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 		Just to clear this up, I was "Guest" that posted the theory - forgot to log in on that one.

Anywho - when I said chimera, my main theory was that it was some sort of genetic amalgam, not necessarily the chimera itself, per se. I think the visual cues - the rainbow, the several different types of animals, the mixing themes - all lead to the conclusion that the monster is a blend of genetics.

In biochemistry and genetics, a chimera is any cell or DNA mix of animals. Matter of fact, there was a recent uproar because some company overseas had just created the first human chimeras - human zygotes combined with rabbit DNA. My theory is still that Slusho is some sort of catalyst for genetic blending - when they say Noriko became a whale, I take it to mean not that she became huge, but her DNA was blended with an animal, and she became an amalgam.

My thought is that the secret ingredient in Slusho causes a mutation at fundamental levels - though I'm still not sure how the blending occurs, my belief is that it could be anything from the drinker becoming "mushy" and absorbing whatever he touches to "you are what you eat".

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 		The roar
When it comes to the roar, for me, the closest thing I heard that matches it is The Bloop.

When researching sea monsters a few weeks back I stumbled upon the bloop and have seen it mentioned a few times since.

The Bloop is real and has that same electronic phase-shifting quality to it as the roar..

From wiki:

The sound, traced to somewhere around 50° S 100° W (South American southwest coast), was detected repeatedly by the Equatorial Pacific Ocean autonomous hydrophone array, which uses U.S. Navy equipment originally designed to detect Soviet submarines. According to the NOAA description, it "rises rapidly in frequency over about one minute and was of sufficient amplitude to be heard on multiple sensors, at a range of over 5,000 km." Though it matches the audio profile of a living creature, there is no known animal that could have produced the sound. If it is an animal, it would have to be, reportedly, much larger than even a Blue Whale, according to scientists who have studied the phenomenon.

Some postulate that the sound may come from a huge and as-yet-undiscovered species of octopus or squid, or possibly a new species of gigantic whale or fish even larger than the blue whale. Others dispute this, pointing out that all known cephalopods lack the gas-filled sac necessary to produce this type of sound, and that a cetacean larger than a blue whale would still have to surface for oxygen, making it susceptible to sightings, unless it had some smaller breathing apparatus, not unlike an elephant's trunk. The Bloop theoretically could have been the product of a machine. The frequency of the Bloop technically is not too low for a machine, but it would be difficult for a machine to produce a sound of such volume

The site of the Bloop is remarkably close to the site of the fictional city of R'lyeh from H. P. Lovecraft's 1926 short story "The Call of Cthulhu", where an ancient undersea monster (Cthulhu) lies sleeping. Lovecraft said that R'lyeh is located at 47°9′S, 123°43′W in the southern Pacific Ocean, with the bloop also being targeted somewhere in that range [1]. Bloop is also a possible clue to J.J. Abrams' upcoming produced project, with the working title of Cloverfield or Slusho. In the teaser trailer the 'monster' emits a very similar (albeit amplified) version of the Bloop. This, coupled with the estimated location of the Bloop's origins, lend some credence to the belief that Cloverfield will be based upon the Cthulhu Mythos


Give a listen: CRANK IT UP

http://www.bloopwatch.org/bloop_realtime.wav


Could the writers have heard the story on CNN a few years back coupled with the creepiness of the location beging close to Lovecrafts' Cthulhus resting place. Maybe this inspired TPTB to have a monster come from the ocean. I hope we find out after the movie is released.

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 		ooooo...
I like it I like it.

I really do think Cthulhu could be bad ass.

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 		you know what
it would be cool if it was Lavos from chrono trigger

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 		Re: ooooo...
SLUSHO_ZOOM! wrote:
I like it I like it.

I really do think Cthulhu could be bad ass.


The scariest thing about Cthulhu is the power he has to drive people insane. If you haven't yet, you should read the short story Call of Cthulhu. It's pretty intense.

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 		Re: The Roar
tygr20 wrote:


This is a *LOT* of speculation, but I'm going to say it anyway.

"The myth." What else sounds like "the myth"? They missed? Is it possible that the monster was attached to a meteor or something similar that crashed down? Perhaps "we"(America) knew about this meteor, and attempted to destroy it. "They missed." It crashes down, causing destruction, demolition, explosions- and clipped the head off the SOL. When it hit, it fragmented, and the pieces went everywhere, as is seen in the "fallout" debris landing near Rob & Co. When the meteor shattered, something alien was released. It continued the destruction out of fear.

The only problem I have with my theory- could a meteor large enough to carry the scale of monster we're looking for successfully crash down without decimating the city? Any other debunkers?


I'm with you on the meteor theory!
Link to crazy meteor in an iceberg theory

Just to take it back to The Roar, here's a clip of an iceberg...roaring.
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2005/11/mp3_of_singing_.html
It doesn't get going 'til about 45 seconds in. At 2-1/2 minutes it really starts wailing and by the third minute...it's freaky.
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 		Just being silly, here....
Instead of a more "typical" monster, maybe it's just a giant human.

Based on the "Slusho" story, drinking slusho makes you a "whale" (huge).

Or perhaps when seven people who are very close drink too much Slusho, they somehow blend themselves into one giant being.

Maybe the headless statue of liberty is a clue... maybe its formed from only six people, and is searching for Rob to complete itself (like Theodore Sturgeon's novel More than Human).

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 		The Lurking Horror
One more vote for the Cthulhu Mythos
This has already been pointed out by bigdaddytr in a meta thread, but I wanted to mention it here, too (please tell me if that's a mistake!).

Abrams wore an INFOCOM t-shirt at Comic-con last weekend. INFOCOM, a company that fairly well defined my childhood, wrote text-based adventure games, including one called The Lurking Horror. TLH was a game done in the horror genre and built around the Cthulhu mythology.

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 		Chimera
argossol wrote:
Just to clear this up, I was "Guest" that posted the theory - forgot to log in on that one.

Anywho - when I said chimera, my main theory was that it was some sort of genetic amalgam, not necessarily the chimera itself, per se. I think the visual cues - the rainbow, the several different types of animals, the mixing themes - all lead to the conclusion that the monster is a blend of genetics.

In biochemistry and genetics, a chimera is any cell or DNA mix of animals. Matter of fact, there was a recent uproar because some company overseas had just created the first human chimeras - human zygotes combined with rabbit DNA. My theory is still that Slusho is some sort of catalyst for genetic blending - when they say Noriko became a whale, I take it to mean not that she became huge, but her DNA was blended with an animal, and she became an amalgam.

My thought is that the secret ingredient in Slusho causes a mutation at fundamental levels - though I'm still not sure how the blending occurs, my belief is that it could be anything from the drinker becoming "mushy" and absorbing whatever he touches to "you are what you eat".


I think you may be on to something. What do you think about this theory. Slusho contains a parasite that is harmless to humans but causes mutations in sea creatures. When Slusho is ingested some of the drinker's DNA is infused into the parasite. After the parasite is digested and expelled in human waste the parasite returns to the sea and is eaten by sea creatures, mutating them with the human DNA and/or causing their DNA to fuse with the DNA of other sea creatures. Since New Yorkers all love Slusho, millions of the parasites are flushed into the East River. Some creature ( hopefully a gigantic crab/human/squid hybid) likes the taste of the parasite and decides visit Manhattan to look for more (I just scared myself).

OK it's far fetched but its as good as the other theories.

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 		Re: Chimera
rjharris1960 wrote:
argossol wrote:
Just to clear this up, I was "Guest" that posted the theory - forgot to log in on that one.

Anywho - when I said chimera, my main theory was that it was some sort of genetic amalgam, not necessarily the chimera itself, per se. I think the visual cues - the rainbow, the several different types of animals, the mixing themes - all lead to the conclusion that the monster is a blend of genetics.

In biochemistry and genetics, a chimera is any cell or DNA mix of animals. Matter of fact, there was a recent uproar because some company overseas had just created the first human chimeras - human zygotes combined with rabbit DNA. My theory is still that Slusho is some sort of catalyst for genetic blending - when they say Noriko became a whale, I take it to mean not that she became huge, but her DNA was blended with an animal, and she became an amalgam.

My thought is that the secret ingredient in Slusho causes a mutation at fundamental levels - though I'm still not sure how the blending occurs, my belief is that it could be anything from the drinker becoming "mushy" and absorbing whatever he touches to "you are what you eat".


I think you may be on to something. What do you think about this theory. Slusho contains a parasite that is harmless to humans but causes mutations in sea creatures. When Slusho is ingested some of the drinker's DNA is infused into the parasite. After the parasite is digested and expelled in human waste the parasite returns to the sea and is eaten by sea creatures, mutating them with the human DNA. Since New Yorkers all love Slusho, millions of the parasites are flushed into the East River. One creature, hopefully a gigantic crab/human hybid, ingests too much of the parasite and decides visit Manhattan to look for more parasites. OK it's far fetched but its as good as the other theories.


That's the best parasite-Slusho theory I've heard yet. As Zaphod Beeblebrox would say: "That's some hoopy thinking, Earth Man." Well done. I've been having trouble dreaming up a way a parasite could be involved; most people have been suggesting (based on the Slusho History) that a person (Noriko or Ganu) somehow becomes a huge monster; but the bio-physics of that would be too far-fetched (right? - any biologists, doctors, or nurses out there want to back me up on this?).

But, your idea doesn't suffer from that. In fact, it's good... DAMN good. So, Huzzah!

Oh, and Infocom rules! I was a beta tester for some of their games when I was but a wee lad. I played Lurking Horror - it was one of the better ones. It was set at a university in the winter - one late night cramming for a test turns into a monster hunt through steam tunnels and campus buildings, etc.

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 		In case anyone is interested, here's a link to some Infocom games online...

http://www.xs4all.nl/~pot/infocom/

There may not be any clues in any games, but Infocom games pioneered the computer puzzle/adventure game genre; even in text, they're fun as hell.

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 		The Lurking Horror
I love it!

Movie plot idea!

A group of friends playing with the Cthulhu cult idea as a gag or funny club and then finding out that it's real... that they've started something they didn't think possible.

The beast has risen from the depths.

Maybe Rob thought it was funny and played along. His friend in the Slusho T always suspected it was true and deep down wanted it to happen.

And slusho makes you transform once the beast has risen...

thus the freakymouth guy in the video just before the SoL head hits.

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 		Re: Chimera
rjharris1960 wrote:
argossol wrote:
Just to clear this up, I was "Guest" that posted the theory - forgot to log in on that one.

Anywho - when I said chimera, my main theory was that it was some sort of genetic amalgam, not necessarily the chimera itself, per se. I think the visual cues - the rainbow, the several different types of animals, the mixing themes - all lead to the conclusion that the monster is a blend of genetics.

In biochemistry and genetics, a chimera is any cell or DNA mix of animals. Matter of fact, there was a recent uproar because some company overseas had just created the first human chimeras - human zygotes combined with rabbit DNA. My theory is still that Slusho is some sort of catalyst for genetic blending - when they say Noriko became a whale, I take it to mean not that she became huge, but her DNA was blended with an animal, and she became an amalgam.

My thought is that the secret ingredient in Slusho causes a mutation at fundamental levels - though I'm still not sure how the blending occurs, my belief is that it could be anything from the drinker becoming "mushy" and absorbing whatever he touches to "you are what you eat".


I think you may be on to something. What do you think about this theory. Slusho contains a parasite that is harmless to humans but causes mutations in sea creatures. When Slusho is ingested some of the drinker's DNA is infused into the parasite. After the parasite is digested and expelled in human waste the parasite returns to the sea and is eaten by sea creatures, mutating them with the human DNA and/or causing their DNA to fuse with the DNA of other sea creatures. Since New Yorkers all love Slusho, millions of the parasites are flushed into the East River. Some creature ( hopefully a gigantic crab/human/squid hybid) likes the taste of the parasite and decides visit Manhattan to look for more (I just scared myself).

OK it's far fetched but its as good as the other theories.


i think that's a lot of scientific exposition for a movie told through a home video.

but maybe they'll provide something like this as backstory for the game and keep it simpler for just the theater going folks.

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