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[SPEC] Possible creature theory
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Im_RawnBurgundy
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Calypso wrote:
My theory is that Slusho has transformed a person or persons into a large creature. It could work because according to the history part of the website an unknown ingredent was used to make slusho good.


Hmm..that actually makes sense...slusho causing somthing to turn into or awaken into somthing else. Maybe this secret ingredient is really somthing that makes things grow and become really agressive? I dont know...im going insane.
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Exactly. I'v also heard that the Slusho website was up before the trailer was released so it could be that the drink was new and after people began to drink it they began to change.

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I think I heard somewhere that the site was out first..could be. But no one would have found it..I think your getting on the somthing, Mr Trebeck.
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Calypso wrote:
My theory is that Slusho has transformed a person or persons into a large creature. It could work because according to the history part of the website an unknown ingredent was used to make slusho good.


I'm assuming since it's a big company, too many people would drink slusho for it to have an effect on one person making them into a monster of unimaginable proportions.

Wouldn't make sense unless maybe one out of 1million people is allergic to it or something and had a wierd reaction.

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Henrik wrote:
True, true... but I think they somehow wants to reduce the distance between fiction and reality.. all the hype surrounding the film shows that people care about the product - it´s about the adventure and telling a good story.. to seduce the public (you and me) and they have done this perfectly.. everybody´s looking for clues etc. and spending time 'solving the puzzle' - it´s entertaiment and people care as long as the build-up 'makes sense' - if the pieces of the puzzle don´t fit together, then people will loose interest.. and that´s why continuity and consistency is vital!

But it all comes down to how the movie will be presented on 'the big screen' (the climax).. and what the focus of the film will be: 'the monster' or 'the victims' - it´s all about the point-of-view..


It has to be the victim's, right? It will essentially be: this is what it would be like if you were in an actual monster attack on NYC. And, that's it (as far as the movie is concerned).

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I lknow im adding fast but i may have found something on the websire.
On the happy talk page one of the quotes is "Help i'v had more than six is that bad?" Also another said "I'v just had seven slushos can i have a t-shirt XXXXL?" Maby if you injest a large amount of Slushos in a short time period something happens to you.

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Could be some kind of hint if you look at it the right way.

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Calypso wrote:
I lknow im adding fast but i may have found something on the websire.
On the happy talk page one of the quotes is "Help i'v had more than six is that bad?" Also another said "I'v just had seven slushos can i have a t-shirt XXXXL?" Maby if you injest a large amount of Slushos in a short time period something happens to you.


Maybe you grow to the size of a large butterfly...and then shrink into a molecular anomaly and die....we'll never know.
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Well, all we can really say is that the monster is definitely Japanese inspired (no duh, as Abrams himself stated. Well, not really, but heavily implied). It's nice to hear that we're finally getting our own giant, civilization destroying monster, but here's the big question: Who would win in a fight, our unnamed beast of a thing, or Godzilla? Yes, looking at the poster and the trailer, our monster may or may not be much bigger than the Japanese titan, but remember, Godzilla has taken on worse and beaten them.

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There have been a few "American" movie monsters--the original King Kong being the greatest movie monster of all time and the standard against which all others are judged. But I get Abrams' point about King Kong being too sympathetic for what he wants--this is not just a clue, but a flat out statement that this monster is a real SOB, not some poor creature just trying to protect itself or its young. Abrams also said that Godzilla was too cute, but I'm assuming he's talking about the series of films that came after the original Tokyo-smashing Gojira of 1954 (leaving aside the fact that I always did think Godzilla was kind of cute). Even in 1954, however, the audience eventually sympathizes with Gojira.

Then there was the Beast from 20,000 Fathoms, another great monster movie, and a slew of giant-mutants during the bomb-scare years of the 1950s--but all the Harryhausen monsters were also sympathetic; also none of them became the sort of iconic creature that Abrams apparently wants.

What this monster looks like, other than being enormous, is anyone's guess though we have a pretty good idea that it travels through or over the water (artistic license in the poster notwithstanding--it comes to Manhattan from the SOL), and that it's aggressive. All great movie monsters (with the exception of Alien) have been sympathetic to a point, so it will be interesting to see if this "insane" monster can be established as a new monster icon.

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Almijisti wrote:
There have been a few "American" movie monsters--the original King Kong being the greatest movie monster of all time and the standard against which all others are judged. But I get Abrams' point about King Kong being too sympathetic for what he wants--this is not just a clue, but a flat out statement that this monster is a real SOB, not some poor creature just trying to protect itself or its young. Abrams also said that Godzilla was too cute, but I'm assuming he's talking about the series of films that came after the original Tokyo-smashing Gojira of 1954 (leaving aside the fact that I always did think Godzilla was kind of cute). Even in 1954, however, the audience eventually sympathizes with Gojira.

Then there was the Beast from 20,000 Fathoms, another great monster movie, and a slew of giant-mutants during the bomb-scare years of the 1950s--but all the Harryhausen monsters were also sympathetic; also none of them became the sort of iconic creature that Abrams apparently wants.

What this monster looks like, other than being enormous, is anyone's guess though we have a pretty good idea that it travels through or over the water (artistic license in the poster notwithstanding--it comes to Manhattan from the SOL), and that it's aggressive. All great movie monsters (with the exception of Alien) have been sympathetic to a point, so it will be interesting to see if this "insane" monster can be established as a new monster icon.


Wasn't King Kong really small for a "monster?" Well, regardless, I wasn't thinking about him too much seeing how he died fairly easily and was really, as you said, a sympathy case than some fireball spewin', city crushing monster.

And yea, although we did get the BF20000F, I don't think too many people, especially today's youths, really remember him/it, compared to something like Godzilla and his friends. But if Abrams pulls this one off, then we have ourselves a genuine, bona fide monster.

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We need a good monster movie. When was the last time we had one? Decades, maybe.

It's just like good horror flicks. I loved John Carpenter's Price of Darkness - it was freaky and cool.
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But I get Abrams' point about King Kong being too sympathetic for what he wants--this is not just a clue, but a flat out statement that this monster is a real SOB, not some poor creature just trying to protect itself or its young. Abrams also said that Godzilla was too cute, but I'm assuming he's talking about the series of films that came after the original Tokyo-smashing Gojira of 1954 (leaving aside the fact that I always did think Godzilla was kind of cute). Even in 1954, however, the audience eventually sympathizes with Gojira.



I caught that too....seemed a little too much like a nod there. It fits too, when you consider the potential for "insult" to NYers post 911, to see this monster rip off the SOLs head and slam it into a building. To me that's a pretty clear statement...a big FU to us all. Pretty hostile, ya know?

What's pretty sad about today's monster movies is we've all become so desensitized to monsters that outside the immediate WTF? reaction, it ends up being more of an intense cool experience in adrenaline than outright fear. Like the event of 911 - obviously the most tragic event in our history in probably ever, but for awhile after there were scores of newsreports that tended to associate watching the repetative coverage having a numbing effect (desensitized) to the degree seeing jet into building came off more like a major summer action movie - something Spielberg and Dreamworks put together that was spectaular FX.


The most recent monster that actually gave me the willies wasn't a monster at all...it was Hannibal. He would scare me more than a giant robot car (cause sorry, even if it was evil, a huge part of me would get all excited and go GODDDDD THAT IS KEWEL!). I want my car to be able to stand up and kick a police car's ass! YEAH! Or giant dinos - I'd stay out the way but I'd be more fascinated by that than you can imagine.

So hopefully whatever Abrams has created for we the people, it'll be something that would genuinely scare the hell out of us, something we can be proud of in its wickedness....that won't be outdone by a power ranger....

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The stars are right

Just some thoughts from a guy who's deeply involved in the Cthlhu Mythos for 20 years…

Some years ago a scenario book was edited by Chaosium called "The Stars Are Right". A part of it ("The New Millenium") was based on a dark cult planning to call the Old Ones (Ancient Gods created by H.P. Lovecraft blabla you know the story) back on Earth destroying NYC. Many things made me think this may have something to do with the topic here :

The subject :
(extract of the pitch) THE NEW MILLENNIUM: a time wracked by violence, racism, AIDS, drug abuse, and all-consuming fear. Hollow politicians offer empty promises of the bright future — a thousand points of light which none can see. That which is greater than mankind lurks beyond the rim of human consciousness. It patiently watches, waiting to assume command of our destiny. It preys on the fearful, the hateful, and the hated. Dark thoughts and emotions are set free to prowl the earth, taking what they will, where they will, and as they will. We cower in our homes, quaking behind the false security of tall fences, locked doors, and television — to no avail. The stars are right and cannot be denied."

The cover of the book (image here : http://www.chaosium.com/article.php?story_id=101)


The sentence " The Stars Are Right" : very close to the main URLs you all know. "The Stars are right" is a common sentence used in Cthulhu stories and scripts. Regarding to Mythos Magic (found in the Necronomicon for instance), Ancient Gods like Cthulhu, Azatoth and others can only be summoned on Earth when the stars are in a specific position, at a specific time and date. (Remember that on Ethan website stars were of major use)

Lovecraft: "They worshipped, so they said, the Great Old Ones who lived ages before there were any men, and who came to the young world out of the sky. Those Old Ones were gone now, inside the earth and under the sea; but their dead bodies had told their secrets in dreams to the first men, who formed a cult which had never died. This was that cult, and the prisoners said it had always existed and always would exist, hidden in distant wastes and dark places all over the world until the time when the great priest Cthulhu, from his dark house in the mighty city of R'lyeh under the waters, should rise and bring the earth again beneath his sway. Some day he would call, when the stars were ready, and the secret cult would always be waiting to liberate him." (Call of Cthulhu 1926)

Lovecraft: "Then, whispered Castro, those first men formed the cult around tall idols which the Great Ones shewed them; idols brought in dim eras from dark stars. That cult would never die till the stars came right again, and the secret priests would take great Cthulhu from His tomb to revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth." (Call of Cthulhu 1926)

This drives me to think that effectively this could involve :
-one cult that knows that stars will be right for calling such an entity on the 01-18-08 but denying it regarding the fact that they will cast a spell in order to call that God on that very date (Ethan Hass was wrong, Triton, etc)
-a bunch of people including Ethan who are aware of that, knowing that the stars will effectively be in the right position on that date, trying to warn people and to avoid the chaos ni NYC and on Earth.

Just my two (euros) cents on all that.
Hope that may help ?

Regards from Paris, France (and sorry for my english!)

Laurent, the Celephais Foundation (Cthulhoïd LARP production since 1990)

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As for good monster movies, check out The Host, that's a real good one. Just came out on DVD. Hasn't been a decade. Yikes you people are shortsighted.

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