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HetMasteen
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First of all, nice work on the UHQ photos. I've been doing some research, and I conclude that this is 100% legit. The proof in my opinion is that the picture is totally false (i.e it doesn't represent real life). So this isn't some photo manip, but a CG image made from the ground up.

Proof? Two things:

A. The SOL does not face Manhattan Island. It faces Europe. Manhattan Island lies to the NE of Liberty Island, but the SOL's face is pointing SE, toward the old country. (pic 1)
You can see the direction (and distance) are all wrong.



B. The SOL isn't in the right place. Look at the poster. On the left you can see 2 World Financial Center (the building with the dome on top - in the frame). As you can see in pic 2 - 2 WFC is across the water from New Jersey, so in order for the SOL to be there, it would have to be standing on the NJ shore. Not to mention the fact that the skyline south of 2 WFC looks nothing like it does in the poster.




I'm not being an uber fanboy here, I'm just saying that the inaccuracies lead me to believe it's legit. This can't be a photo manip, because no photo would look like this. It's all wrong.
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smann wrote:
worngmike wrote:

also could the poster be of the following morning? it could be dawn which would explain the subdued (but not dark) lighting, the presence of the helicopters and the trail in the water as if the monster has just left NY without being caught/killed.


There is still stuff falling off the SOL


fair point but would there still be that much falling off after the thing has made its way into coney, which could take a while.
it's a compression of a timeline i suppose, capturing the evnts of a longer period into one image. creative liscense at it's best

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HetMasteen is right about the SOL facing the wrong way, but is wrong about the view of Manhattan. If you take a second look at the Google image and the poster image, you can identify the other buildings in the poster image that clearly indicate the photo was taken from the southern face.
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Kayberry wrote:
HetMasteen is right about the SOL facing the wrong way, but is wrong about the view of Manhattan. If you take a second look at the Google image and the poster image, you can identify the other buildings in the poster image that clearly indicate the photo was taken from the southern face.


I stand corrected:
http://www.jollytoursltd.com/pictures/OVERNIGHT/nyc-skyline-home.jpg
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Another thing. To me, the marks on the SOL look as though some massive hand ripped the head of, and some of the back came off with it.

Imagine standing next to the SOL (and you're alive and huge). You take your right hand, grab the head, and pull in a downward/rightward motion. The head would come off, tearing the body with it (it's hollow sheet metal).
Probably some sharp claws were involved. But it definitely looks like a giant hand ripped the head off.


Also, look at the SOL in the trailer. You can see the edged, and it does look ripped.
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worngmike
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don't think this has been posted, did have a look around but there is this detail in the poster that looks odd, doesn't look like smoke.
but then maybe i just want to see something, anything.
what do you think?


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It looks like there's a plume of smoke rising from the hole where the SoL's head used to be, but it doesn't really doesn't look like the smoke in the rest of the poster. It's blue, like steam or water droplets. Maybe the head of the SoL was blown off from inside pressure, like a tea kettle.
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Closeup of the Poster's Skyline

Okay, working more on the poster skyline, I fear it's also a composite. We can start identifying some of the buildings here, beginning with one of the damaged ones, it's the J.P. Morgan building:
http://members.aol.com/smurphynyc/down/60wall.jpg
Immediately to the right and in front is 20 Exchange Place:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid54/pe6b8482b8f4eaf22c345fd6658995c8f/fc84f365.jpg
Behind both those buildings is 70 Pine Street:
http://members.aol.com/nycskyscrp/down/70pine.jpg
To the left of those, you can see Irving Trust at 1 Wall Street:
http://members.aol.com/nycskyscrp2/down/1wall.jpg
And in front of it, the Equitable Building:
http://members.aol.com/nycskyscrp2/down/120bway.jpg
To the immediate right of Irving Trust is the Chase Manhattan Building:
http://members.aol.com/smurphynyc/down/1chasepl.jpg
The building farthest right seems to be 1 Seaport Plaza, except from the East face:
http://members.aol.com/smurphy109/down/199water.jpg


For the majority of buildings this is a view from the south, which does support my "from the statue of liberty location" theory.
Still working on other buildings.

Fortunately, the monster seems to have destroyed Trump Tower. Take him down a peg!
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Kayberry wrote:
Okay, working more on the poster skyline, I fear it's also a composite. We can start identifying some of the buildings here, beginning with one of the damaged ones, it's the J.P. Morgan building:
http://members.aol.com/smurphynyc/down/60wall.jpg
Immediately to the right and in front is 20 Exchange Place:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid54/pe6b8482b8f4eaf22c345fd6658995c8f/fc84f365.jpg
Behind both those buildings is 70 Pine Street:
http://members.aol.com/nycskyscrp/down/70pine.jpg
To the left of those, you can see Irving trust at 1 Wall Street:
http://members.aol.com/nycskyscrp2/down/1wall.jpg

This is a view from the south, which does support my "from the statue of liberty location" theory.
Still working on other buildings.

Fortunately, the monster seems to have destroyed Trump Tower. Take him down a peg!


In my 2nd pic you can see the World Financial Center:
http://www.pilotlist.org/dispo/jb2/04-world_financial_center.jpg
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Kayberry wrote:

Fortunately, the monster seems to have destroyed Trump Tower. Take him down a peg!


Tarnished brass and smoked glass everywhere. The horror. The horror...

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Behemoth, Leviathan and Ziz

I think the fact that items are falling off the SOL and their is a trail in the water along with destruction in the background would lead me to believe the theory related to this...

The Abram's Project blog points out a great connection made by one reader who talks about the three biblical creates Behemoth, Leviathan and Ziz,

Romans 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness"

So what in biblical mythology has connections to the slew of references in the trailer? The three great monsters.

In Jewish belief, Behemoth is the primal unconquerable monster of the land, as Leviathan is the primal monster of the waters of the sea and Ziz the primordial monster of the sky.

1) The first monster roar is accompanied by an earthquake (Behemoth)
2) The second monster roar is accompanied by a huge fireball (Leviathan, for it can breathe fire)
3) The third monster roar is accompanied by the flying Statue of Liberty head (Ziz).

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Behemoth, Leviathan and Ziz

Ziz wrote:
I think the fact that items are falling off the SOL and their is a trail in the water along with destruction in the background would lead me to believe the theory related to this...

The Abram's Project blog points out a great connection made by one reader who talks about the three biblical creates Behemoth, Leviathan and Ziz,

Romans 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness"

So what in biblical mythology has connections to the slew of references in the trailer? The three great monsters.

In Jewish belief, Behemoth is the primal unconquerable monster of the land, as Leviathan is the primal monster of the waters of the sea and Ziz the primordial monster of the sky.

1) The first monster roar is accompanied by an earthquake (Behemoth)
2) The second monster roar is accompanied by a huge fireball (Leviathan, for it can breathe fire)
3) The third monster roar is accompanied by the flying Statue of Liberty head (Ziz).


dono if it matters but

"The word "Leviathan" appears six times in the Bible:"



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Behemoth, Leviathan and Ziz

Ziz wrote:
I think the fact that items are falling off the SOL and their is a trail in the water along with destruction in the background would lead me to believe the theory related to this...

The Abram's Project blog points out a great connection made by one reader who talks about the three biblical creates Behemoth, Leviathan and Ziz,

Romans 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness"

So what in biblical mythology has connections to the slew of references in the trailer? The three great monsters.

In Jewish belief, Behemoth is the primal unconquerable monster of the land, as Leviathan is the primal monster of the waters of the sea and Ziz the primordial monster of the sky.

1) The first monster roar is accompanied by an earthquake (Behemoth)
2) The second monster roar is accompanied by a huge fireball (Leviathan, for it can breathe fire)
3) The third monster roar is accompanied by the flying Statue of Liberty head (Ziz).



You make a valid point, the single path of destruction through the city in the poster implies only one creature already rampaging in a straight line but that wouldn't account for the shadow in the water. (Unless the poster depicts the aftermath and the monster has already done what it needed to do and snuck back into the water to leave)

Having said that, this theory has been posted many times already everyone on the board is familiar with it. We didnt need it rehashed again. Next time please search through the posts to see if what you want to say has already been said.

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I completely concur with those that the skyline is composite... I think it's fair to say the artist tried to get an approximation of the real Downtown New York skyline but used a collection of photographs to do it.

The same was used on the poster to The Day After Tomorrow where both the Empire State Building and Chrysler Building were moved to a position significantly south of their real locations. The other notable thing would be that the art team rotated the Statue of Liberty so you could see more of her face... if she'd been in the correct position in the design most of her face would've been obscurred by her arm.

And then of course, the water level isn't accurate to the film either... But I digress.

I believe I can also see One World Financial Center in front of the ruined Chase Manhattan Building, which places it significantly further away from it's real location (In the picture I've included, 1WFC is the building seen on the far right with a roof shaped like the unfinished pyramid (yet another National Treasure reference! Razz ) to the right of the Twin Tower without the mast.
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