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[SPEC] PLOT THEORIES
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 		[SPEC] PLOT THEORIES
What theories, speculation do you all have as to what this movie might be about?

Fire when ready...

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 		It's the sta-puft marshmallow man.


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Good lord your right! ...This is the end of the world!

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18-Till-I-Die wrote:
If you define "Lovecraftian" as anything even REMOTELY similar to a story Lovecraft wrote then that is an absurdly wide definition. Using that logic i can define anything remotely like War of the Worlds as an HG Wells story...which would be practically every alien invasion movie ever made.

When someone says something is "Lovecraftian" usually they use a less broad definition. I've read some Lovecraft stories, i wont get into it here weather i thought they lived up to the hype, but needless to say you cant honestly think that anything that is related to such a broad definition of "Lovecraftian" is based off or "ripped off" of his stories.

A definition that broad would render the whole concept moot, as anything can be defined as "Lovecraftian" under such a concept. You could call the movie Slither "Lovecraftian" under that definition.


I haven't seen Slither. I wouldn't count War of the Worlds, what I know of it, because essentially they're just aliens. Not enough mystery there.

I usually use a broad definition, because the guy had an enormous influence.

But in this case I pointed several specific things about this story that are classic Lovecraft.

Feel free to tell me what ways I'm wrong about them.

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Look, Lovecraft wasnt the only author to ever write about space monsters, rogue gods and evil demons and stuff. If you want i can go back to the old Greek myths and show where a lot of the stuff frome Lovecraft originated there, and we can go back further to primitive man and Animism from there, and so on and so forth.

Just like HG Wells' War of the Worlds was a highly influencial book, not every alien invasion story takes from it, nor was it completely original either.

In many ways every story is connected in some way or another, as no one can come up with a completely solely original idea.

To define anything that fits that incredibly broad concept as "Lovecraftian" would belittle thousands of writers all over the world by implying their stories are merely "ripped off" of some other writer whose books have become monolithic.

And i've read Lovecraft before, i dont particuarly like it, but i'm sure i'm more well versed in the myhos than most people.


I might be going overboard I admit. But in this case I'm just looking at one particular story - the Slusho history - and lining it up with giant monster insanity. It just seems really Lovecraft to me. And from what little I know, he sure as heck got his ideas from a number of great things, but he brought them all together in a neat little horrible and somewhat constipated New England bundle that has been an a major influence on people for years.

Also I would never use the term "rip off." Not sure where that came from.

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Anyway, my thought so far is to follow the Slusho trail. I think it's far simpler than it looks. Indeed as i said i think the story relates to us, in a fanciful tone, the story of the film. Or backstory anyway. I think we should try to sort out the story in a way thats more serious and straightforward than the way it's written on the site to see what it may or may not mean.


I'm not sure what you mean. It's pretty straightforward, just couched in cute language. It's all pretty horrible.

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 		This might be just another "You see what your eye lets you" kinda thing. But I was looking around on youtube and this guy had a good about the smoke between the betweens as the camera pans out. It looks like the smoke figure outline of an animal...(T-Rex to narrow it down) Anyone else heard this?

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18-Till-I-Die wrote:
If you define "Lovecraftian" as anything even REMOTELY similar to a story Lovecraft wrote then that is an absurdly wide definition. Using that logic i can define anything remotely like War of the Worlds as an HG Wells story...which would be practically every alien invasion movie ever made.

When someone says something is "Lovecraftian" usually they use a less broad definition. I've read some Lovecraft stories, i wont get into it here weather i thought they lived up to the hype, but needless to say you cant honestly think that anything that is related to such a broad definition of "Lovecraftian" is based off or "ripped off" of his stories.

A definition that broad would render the whole concept moot, as anything can be defined as "Lovecraftian" under such a concept. You could call the movie Slither "Lovecraftian" under that definition.



Being an avid reader of "Lovcraftian" fiction (including Bloch, Clark Ashton Smith, et. al) I think there's a very simple explanation for what fits this category.

Educated, imaginative, and curious person, usually with a great disdain toward things "spiritual" or "primitive", starts poking around with Stuff Man Was No Meant To Know. This person may or may not get warnings from folks with spiritual or primitive connections but they ignore the warnings because, as an Educated and Enlightened Person, they know better. Slowly, they learn more and they start to crack on the whole "that stuff is below me" thing, perhaps even to the point of preoccupation or obsession.

Finally, the person learns that they have unleashed something they should not have, but too late to do anything about it. The person is consumed by what they have unleashed, or goes insane from the knowledge they have accumulated.

Lovecraftian fiction is rarely epic. It usually takes place in isolated locations (The South Pole, the Pacific Ocean, a garret apartment in a large city, and old house, etc) and concentrates on one main individual who ends up being the subject of the consuming/insanity/whatever. Sometimes the story is told by a narrator close to the subject who get consumed. In those cases, the narrator is never entirely unaffected by what happens, even if they survive sane.

The trailer doesn't seem to lead toward a Lovecraftian type of story, though there is the definite possibility that the events of the trailer take place toward the end of the story (where the protagonist faces what he has unleashed).
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 		If you love having your mind exploded, check out this little theory:

Many years ago, JJ Abrams finishes reading Moore's The Watchmen and decides it must be brought to life. He isn't satisfied with just creating a simple movie about the thing.

He creates Lost, which tells the tale of some of the people in the Watchmen universe (I don't want to spoil anything, but read it and it will be clear what part of the story I am talking about). Now he is telling another part of the story with Cloverlake. Possibly he gets his friend in on it and now we have Heroes telling another part (remember, this goes beyond some sort of corporate cross-over. He can utilize whatever he is able to.) When the Watchmen movie rolls out, it all comes together in the most mind-exploding meta moment of all of our lives. Several other projects will be revealed to have been involved. Maybe Alias is in there somewhere. Who knows.

What this theory lacks for in terms of veracity, I think it makes up for it in excitingness.

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JimmieBJr wrote:


The trailer doesn't seem to lead toward a Lovecraftian type of story, though there is the definite possibility that the events of the trailer take place toward the end of the story (where the protagonist faces what he has unleashed).


The actions of Rob (who does seem to be the protagonist) do seem to point to this sort of thing, don't they? I mean, he is the only one in the trailer that doesn't seem to be so much confused at what's going on as nervous and worried, like he knew it was coming or is just realizing what he's done.

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tiny420 wrote:
This might be just another "You see what your eye lets you" kinda thing. But I was looking around on youtube and this guy had a good about the smoke between the betweens as the camera pans out. It looks like the smoke figure outline of an animal...(T-Rex to narrow it down) Anyone else heard this?


I have, but I'm not buying it. Finding recognizable shapes in smoke works the same way as seeing shapes in clouds. Our brains are wired for pattern recognition and if there's no extant pattern, our brains will tend to create a pattern for us.

Smoke is a fertile breeding ground for our brains because of the ever-changing interplay between shadow, texture, and light.
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 		Yeah, that's one thing - the film itself is very Not Lovecraft at all, in that the guy wisely never showed us man's demise - or destruction on this large a scale. But the Slusho story is pretty darn Lovecraft. So I think what we may see is story of horrible destruction or an Apocalypse in a Lovecraft-esque world, with Slusho laying the groundwork. If they do it right, it will really, really horrifying. Honestly, if it's as bad and hopeless as in Lovecraft, I may not even have the guts to go see the thing.

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Sirannon wrote:
The actions of Rob (who does seem to be the protagonist) do seem to point to this sort of thing, don't they? I mean, he is the only one in the trailer that doesn't seem to be so much confused at what's going on as nervous and worried, like he knew it was coming or is just realizing what he's done.


Yeah, I think that's very possible. Rob's reactions in the trailer have been bugging me since the second time I saw it. Repeat viewings have given me the same sort of feeling about the reactions of the two women with him at the end.
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creatureattack wrote:
If you love having your mind exploded, check out this little theory:

Many years ago, JJ Abrams finishes reading Moore's The Watchmen and decides it must be brought to life. He isn't satisfied with just creating a simple movie about the thing.

He creates Lost, which tells the tale of some of the people in the Watchmen universe (I don't want to spoil anything, but read it and it will be clear what part of the story I am talking about). Now he is telling another part of the story with Cloverlake. Possibly he gets his friend in on it and now we have Heroes telling another part (remember, this goes beyond some sort of corporate cross-over. He can utilize whatever he is able to.) When the Watchmen movie rolls out, it all comes together in the most mind-exploding meta moment of all of our lives. Several other projects will be revealed to have been involved. Maybe Alias is in there somewhere. Who knows.

What this theory lacks for in terms of veracity, I think it makes up for it in excitingness.


I haven't watched those shows, but I have read Watchmen and I'm not really seeing any connection. I mean, Watchmen had only one Superhuman, so from what I know that counts Heroes right out.

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 		Is it going to be "Rob and his friends survive a massive monster attack" or "Rob and his friends save the day?" Hard to tell at this point.

It does seem awful "Stay-Pufftian!"

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The actions of Rob (who does seem to be the protagonist) do seem to point to this sort of thing, don't they? I mean, he is the only one in the trailer that doesn't seem to be so much confused at what's going on as nervous and worried, like he knew it was coming or is just realizing what he's done.


what im thinking
is that slusho (the company) wants to test their products "powers" so they use one of their employees (rob),
rob someone plants the slusho in an animal/human (The parasite). thinking that it wasnt supposed to cause a reaction in it so quickly he goes on with his life.
thinking the day after his going away party, is the day its gunna appear and destroy new york. but it happens that day.
which causes rob to be confused, and give all the looks he did on the street.

this is just a theory

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