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 		Thank you, Cronkie, for not making me feel stupid for asking. And I did see those solutions, just didn't follow the links out to understand them completely. Lesson learned...thx again!
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cronkie99 wrote:
lelepooh1 wrote:
I got a location in the Sudan near Khartum. This was once part of ancient egypt.


I got the same location and so I started looking up African masks, but found nothing in a style that resembled the one pictured. Using an alternative method, I took the first six digits as a whole and subtracting the second set of six came up with -139097. If you plug that number into Google Earth, you get Lawrence, Kansas, which, among other things, is home to the University of Kansas. I thought perhaps that might be on Forrest's book signing tour, but it is not.


Both interesting ideas... though personally I'm going to stick with Nakwatcha's Atlantis suggestion given the Maya-Atlantis link... any bets on whether the Crystal Skull (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_skull) will show up somewhere?

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 		Maybe the LAMAT glyphs are there only to point us in the direction of the Mayans in order to solve the dots/bars portion? As Tipsila pointed out, the name of the file is "hint.gif". Perhaps they are merely hints and not part of the solution?

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GlitteringGold wrote:
Maybe the LAMAT glyphs are there only to point us in the direction of the Mayans in order to solve the dots/bars portion? As Tipsila pointed out, the name of the file is "hint.gif". Perhaps they are merely hints and not part of the solution?


I agree with that. However, I still don't think Atlantis is the right way to go here. Maybe if it were farther along in the game but right now he STILL hasn't talked to Lein and is sort of stuck in the water right now. I'm not even sure how the coordinates got you to the Atlantic ocean.

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lelepooh1 wrote:


I agree with that. However, I still don't think Atlantis is the right way to go here. Maybe if it were farther along in the game but right now he STILL hasn't talked to Lein and is sort of stuck in the water right now. I'm not even sure how the coordinates got you to the Atlantic ocean.


"Stuck in the water..." good pun! Very Happy
You're probably right, Atlantis may be a bit of a stretch. But, here's how I came to that conclusion, FWIW:

1. Decoded the mayan dots and bars to:
top row: 16 53 15
bottom row: 30 44 12
according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals.

2. In combination with the "minus" sign on the clue (bottom row: -30 44 12), plugged it in as lat/long coordinates on Mapquest: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/latlong.adp

3. Which places the position at a location in the middle of the Atlantic, which, thanks to Nakwatcha's find, coincides closely with an 1882 map depicting the supposed location of Atlantis, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis#Modern

I admit it could go either way... there must be something else we're missing. Khartoum sounds interesting, but that doesn't explain the little "minus" sign. Maybe it isn't map coordinates at all, as others have suggested....

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It may sound like crickets. But it doesn't look like it . Wink


Find anything interesting in the soundwaves?

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 		Played around with it, last night.
It's a mixing of three digital signals in the 1.5khz, 2khz and just over 5khz frequencies.
I tried filtering them singly and in pairs, but just don't know what I'm doing.
The ~5khz signal seems like it's a carrier (If you were to equate this with FM modulation).
The 2khz signal seems to be the "cricket" component.
The 1.5khz spreads out enough that I can't make much of it.
I can make it sort of "mumble" at times or "click" at others.
I'm just not good enough with the tools to know anything for sure.
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 		Coordinates
Zimbabwe
When I pluged in the coordinates into Google Earth as dd mm ss I got an area in Zimbabwe!

After reading about the Chinoyi Caves and lots of other interesting things and a little more digging, I found some info on the "Silent Enigmatic Ruins of Zimbabwe" - which if nothing else is an interesting read! A possible UFO site etc.. Unexplained structures etc...

It also ties back in to Egypt and other things of interest.

http://www.ufoarea.com/aas_silentzimbabwe.html

Question emato

Oh, forgot to add - that "statuettes of Astarte or Venus in hawk form" was found there by a German ethnologist and archaeologist named Leo Frobenius. Maybe something? Maybe not?

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 		These are the four strings you can enter into Google maps to see where the coordinates might be based on our not knowing which (if any) use the "minus" symbol. I've bolded the one that seems like the obvious match to the puzzle layout .

16° 53′ 15″ n 30° 44′ 12″ w
16° 53′ 15″ n 30° 44′ 12″ e
16° 53′ 15″ s 30° 44′ 12″ w
16° 53′ 15″ s 30° 44′ 12″ e
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A new message at the http://chrisforrest.livejournal.com/ site:

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Puzzle #3

I've been studying puzzle #3 with the help of some online allies. We've determined that the bars and dots are Mayan numerals and have translated them into regular numerical digits. Some have suggested that they may be latitude and longitude coordinates, but I think we may be on the wrong track with that idea. There are three symbols beneath the Mayan numbers. Those must be a clue to the solution. And the minus sign must be important as well.


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 		Okay, I actually have a degree in anthropology and took a course on Meso-americans. We studied the writing system some but it has been a while for me. I even went and looked up my notes from 1999 (yes I still have them) and didn't have much more in there than what I found online. The numbers we are getting are too large to be part of a date however the "lamat" symbol refers to the 8th day of a cycle. I'm am confused as to what the idea behind the minus sign is because you can't subtract 30 from 16 (unless you want a negative number).

EDIT: I found this about "lamat" and it kind of goes along with the theme of DNA and ancient beginings:

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The animal totem for Lamat is the rabbit. Like the rabbit, this day sign holds the energy of the trickster. Often our deepest truths and realizations come to us in the guise of a fool and we are forever following that white rabbit into wonderland. This day can therefore present itself in many unexpected ways. Rabbit is also a sign of fertility and can be seen as a symbol for the seeding of the universe. Although one symbol for Lamat is Venus, it is more closely associated with the Moon. In Mesoamerica it is a common belief that rather than a man, there is a rabbit in the moon. In one version of the POPOL VUH, the Mayan creation story, the hero twins Hunahpu and Xbalanque became the Sun and the Moon. The Moon as well as the Sun and Venus were once Gods in variations of these mesoamerican creation stories. In these myths, the gods are willing to sacrifice themselves and to be transformed. Lamat can also be seen as another metaphor for a new birth representing the creative force or cosmic explosion that brings new life into form.


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 		Okay... So I never really read up on the whole Mayan mathematics thing, till now. I thought the puzzle, as presented, made our solve a no-brainer. It almost HAD to be coordinate data.

I digress.

After consulting this page, I come up with an answer of -2 359. Somebody wanna run that by Chris?


16 + 53 + 15 | (84)
- 30 + 44 + 12 | -(86)
---------------+------
-14 + 9 + 3 | (-2)
Okay... One more time:
Code:

  320 + 53 + 300  (673)
-  30 + 44 + 240 -(314)
-----------------------
  290 +  9 +  60  (359)


Edit2: Fixed my math. Again
I think the holes in the mask represent the missing eye glyphs for the three larger numbers

Regarding the Lamat glyphs, I think Chris is telling us not to overthink the puzzles.
From http://www.kachina.net/~alunajoy/95feb.html :
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LAMAT - la mat' - Star - Lamat lives by reason and operates out of the mental world. Lamat is the "we", community consciousness. Lamat in essence remembers. It receives through the solar plexus. Lamat is energetic, busy, nervous, clever, and playful. It shows a strong intellect, but can become somewhat paranoid. Lamat likes to fight, but is always reaching to operate out of love. This reflects in the planet it represents which is Venus. Lamat's issues are based in keeping themselves under control in order to finish things. Lamat needs to learning to express feelings and avoid extremes and excesses. Lamat says "Don't make mountains out of mole hills".

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What about star coordinates? Question

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 		If it were some celestial coordinate, it'd have to be based on a fixed point in space like Polaris. Given that starting point a specific line could be found. Any earth-based reference would need a lot more information such as the exact terrestrial location and time to suss anything out as far as azimuth and elevation.
If you wanted to play around more with that theory, I'd suggest a really cool astronomy site:
<EDIT>I'm a dunce... Right Ascension and Declination</EDIT>
http://www.wikisky.org
Or, more specifically:
these coordinates in Scorpius.
The closest mapped star is USNOA2 0525-24432060

I did play around with the Lamat some more. The two "3-Lamat" days in 2007 are:
Wednesday, January 10, 2007
and
Thursday, September 27, 2007 (Is this one significant to book sales, etc.?)

If you want to find "3 Lamat" days beyond this, just add 260 days to September 27 till you get to the date you want.
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 		phone number?
Lamat = 8.

3 Lamats = 888

So we have 888 and a dash. Any way to get the numbers to pare down into a 7-digit phone number plus the 888 as an area code (toll-free)? That would give us an "actionable" solution to the puzzle.... I've played around with it but haven't been able to come up with anything.

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