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[SPEC] 62 degrees, in winter, at midnight, in NYC?
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tinag222
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Jenive ~

Could you track down a source of some sort that shows the averages over the last couple years for January (18 ) in Manhattan? Maybe just to help give those of us who don't live there or have never been there a better idea about Jan temps at all? As I mentioned before, I'm from the south so it's not at all out of the question for temps to get into the 60s, even 70s, in December or January - while it's not a long lasting thing, it does happen frequently every year....but then it's predominantly due to the central location getting that tornado spawning weather so when it's cold as hell one week and then gets that warm after, what always happens next is the nosedive in temps again spells tornadic activity.

NY, to my knowledge, is low on the tornado systems so it seems to me that a dip or surge in temps there wouldn't be as intense. Such as the one year there was the major ice/snow storm up there that knocked out power all up in the region for weeks. I recall watching that while wearing a halter and shorts in January here....because it was close to tanning weather Very Happy

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mattepntr
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Helo wrote:
For those of us here in Los Angeles, a temperature around 60 degrees sounds reasonable. You have to remember that set decorators and designers come up with a lot of the crap in the trailer. Everything from that green tea box that everyone swore was a hint to the on-screen newsbabe (and the temperature on the screen) are all done by a set designer. The designer probably never thought that anyone would look at the temperature, so he/she just came up with a temperature that sounded normal for those of us here in Los Angeles (because that's where the editing was done) and stuck it on there.

Once again, I wouldn't go looking for things that aren't there.


Hi all. I've been lurking since I saw the trailer, but I thought I'd make this
my first post.
The temperature reading in the newscast is odd. But accidental? Something
thrown in there by someone who didn't know better? Not on your life.
I've been working in the film industry for over 20 years. Trust me, everything
on a film set is thought about and decided upon. Especially something as
prominently displayed as that TV screen is.

Now listen, I'm not saying that the temp is some kind of clue that leads
this ARG anywhere. I just wanted to counter the notion that it was an
arbitrary choice. It's not.

Is it plot? We'll have to wait and see. But I'm betting it is, being that it's
somewhat anomalous. But then again, the movie is being filmed in the
middle of summer, and faking NY winter in both L.A. and NY in
August is probably beyond the budget for this film....

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Kayberry
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Okay, I've found some factual data for New York City's temperature history. It turns out that the winter of 2001-2002 was the warmest in recorded history. Here are some graphs that illustrate:
http://home.att.net/~ny_climo/NY0102.gif
One particular date jumps out, January 28, well into winter by then.
All Glory to the Old Farmers Almanac

As you'll see here, the record high is 69 degrees. The following day was also 69 degrees as the high.
Lastly, a chart of the all time highs and lows as recorded from Central Park. The highest recorded temperature in January would be 72 degrees. Note that this isn't the temperature at midnight, these are the intra-day highs. However, it's not unreasonable to assume that the city would absorb much of the heat during the day and retain much of it during the night, so that 63 degrees at midnight would not be out of the question. Odd, certainly, but since we're on a fast track to global warming, it's not out of the question to have this occur in the future.

With that said, unless we're given a reason to believe otherwise, it just means that for the movie the winter of 2008 will be unexpectedly warmer than usual.
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Zap Rowsdower
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I would still say that this just might play some sort of part in the movie. If it is monster related or not still remains to be seen.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:31 pm
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I live on Long Island and I can tell you that 63 on a January midnight is odd. Not impossible, obviously, but it's strange enough to potentially have some significance.

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ximfinite
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the 62 is most likely just a reoccuring number, Numbers are going to be important but I don't think you will get anywhere right now by focusing on it.

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Almijisti
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mattepntr wrote:
Helo wrote:
For those of us here in Los Angeles, a temperature around 60 degrees sounds reasonable. You have to remember that set decorators and designers come up with a lot of the crap in the trailer. Everything from that green tea box that everyone swore was a hint to the on-screen newsbabe (and the temperature on the screen) are all done by a set designer. The designer probably never thought that anyone would look at the temperature, so he/she just came up with a temperature that sounded normal for those of us here in Los Angeles (because that's where the editing was done) and stuck it on there.

Once again, I wouldn't go looking for things that aren't there.


Hi all. I've been lurking since I saw the trailer, but I thought I'd make this
my first post.
The temperature reading in the newscast is odd. But accidental? Something
thrown in there by someone who didn't know better? Not on your life.
I've been working in the film industry for over 20 years. Trust me, everything
on a film set is thought about and decided upon. Especially something as
prominently displayed as that TV screen is.

Now listen, I'm not saying that the temp is some kind of clue that leads
this ARG anywhere. I just wanted to counter the notion that it was an
arbitrary choice. It's not.

Is it plot? We'll have to wait and see. But I'm betting it is, being that it's
somewhat anomalous. But then again, the movie is being filmed in the
middle of summer, and faking NY winter in both L.A. and NY in
August is probably beyond the budget for this film....


Absolutely correct, Mattepntr. Everything in every decent film is intended to convey part of a message--even the decor (mise en scene). The idea that 63 degrees in NYC winter is just an oversight is simply absurd--it's prominently displayed in the newscast when having a temperature listed at all was itself a deliberate decision. It's self-evident that the temperature was unseasonably warm. Even the people outside on the street--not everyone at NYC was at Rob's party--are also not dressed for mid-Winter. What it means, at this point, is impossible to tell, but global warming ain't it. Not even the most fanatical Gore-istas believe that the mean temperature of earth would rise nearly 50 degrees in six months.

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Jenive
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tinag222 wrote:
Jenive ~
Could you track down a source of some sort that shows the averages over the last couple years for January (18 ) in Manhattan? Maybe just to help give those of us who don't live there or have never been there a better idea about Jan temps at all?


I found this (although I'm not sure how reliable it may be):

http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Feb04/NRCC.Jan04.bpf.html

I moved upstate 2 years ago, but my family still lives in NYC.
From what I heard this past winter was a cold one....
pfff not as cold as up here.

But, I'll keep searching for stuff to give you an idea.
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Kayberry wrote:
Okay, I've found some factual data for New York City's temperature history. It turns out that the winter of 2001-2002 was the warmest in recorded history. Here are some graphs that illustrate:
http://home.att.net/~ny_climo/NY0102.gif


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Jenive
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Adam706 wrote:

JASONDJFMAMJ Shocked Laughing


o_O
ok. Jason?

Thing is the last dates are 2003. -_-
I can't find current stuff.
But, I'll keep trying.

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nooneimportant77
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hey wait who even said the movie takes place in the winter thats just when it comes out.

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mattepntr
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nooneimportant77 wrote:
hey wait who even said the movie takes place in the winter thats just when it comes out.


The date and timestamps on the photos at 1-18-08.com.

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nooneimportant77 wrote:
hey wait who even said the movie takes place in the winter thats just when it comes out.


www.1-18-08.com

Check when the pictures where taken

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nooneimportant77
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right my fault posted faster then i can think

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ilostmyslusho
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63 Degrees in January
Possible? Yes. Likely? Who knows.

Helo wrote:
For those of us here in Los Angeles, a temperature around 60 degrees sounds reasonable. You have to remember that set decorators and designers come up with a lot of the crap in the trailer. Everything from that green tea box that everyone swore was a hint to the on-screen newsbabe (and the temperature on the screen) are all done by a set designer. The designer probably never thought that anyone would look at the temperature, so he/she just came up with a temperature that sounded normal for those of us here in Los Angeles (because that's where the editing was done) and stuck it on there.

Once again, I wouldn't go looking for things that aren't there.


This is such a good point. Also, it is kind of funny to think about the possibility that someone had an intern research what temperature it should be, and if they were to misread the page below it would seem like 63 was the average temperature for January 2007, but it is really the average of the max temperatures.

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KNYC/2007/1/18/MonthlyHistory.html

Either way, it is clearly possible for it to be 63 degrees in January in New York City, fireballs and monster body heat aside...

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