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[TRAILHEAD?] The Red King Project
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waitress#2
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New post 08-21-07

New post from R.F. He didn't answer any questions...he said he was going to get some sleep.

Sammy is definitely Samuel/SST IMO, but I think he has a multiple personality disorder and is more than one Sammy. But I'm not sure that Sammy is real, he could be one of R.F.'s personalities.

If Sammy is real, then he had a manufactured memory of a baby. How sad.

Now it looks like R.F. is going to be alone and that's when people disappear...when they don't have any wife or kids around forcing them to live a somewhat normal life. According to Sammy, R.F. has 3 options

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you can let them finalize you, you can be locked away, or he will make you into it.


The outlook seems really bleak. I'm not sure how we can help.

Laughing I just noticed I dated the last new post 2008. I'm going to change that.

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Chronus_Valtiel
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Entry 19...
Yet another Dark Tower reference, no?
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waitress#2
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D14BL0 posted this in the first page of this thread so I think that Dark Tower was an inspiration for this story. I had better refresh my memory about the book, it's been ages since I read it.

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Not sure if it's at all related, but in the Stephen King Dark Tower series, one of the main villains is the Crimson King. This may try to touch on some elements from the Stephen King series.


Edit - I haven't read the comics! I'll buy them next month.

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Chronus_Valtiel
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I've read the blog post now, and it's clear that Samuel's possessed by whatever is behind this. And based on what he said before R.F. hung up tells me that whatever is behind this is very, very evil.
The hands took his child.... I think that the hands, whatever they may be, are the antagonist here. The hands of the dream cop are outstretched, probably in warning about the hands, or a threat that his hands are many....
I have a feeling that R.F.'s not sick at all, now.... He's obviously not the one who saw these hands.
However, the phone call may never have happened.
I emailed Sam about the phone call.
Hope he replies....

EDIT: I just now noticed that Sam referenced a girl again that I've heard of before in these blogs/emails....
Then again I may be confusing this with another trailhead....
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Chronus_Valtiel wrote:

EDIT: I just now noticed that Sam referenced a girl again that I've heard of before in these blogs/emails....
Then again I may be confusing this with another trailhead....


I think he's talking about his girlfriend.

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Chronus_Valtiel
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Hmm... maybe, but I'm not sure.
Seems like she appeared like R.F.'s truck.
Kind of reminds me of Maria in Silent Hill 2*.

*NOTE: I have no doubt that this ARG has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Silent Hill.
I do, however, think that there are references....
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Almijisti
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Without having a bunch of quotes, I'll just comment on several of the recent postings above.

1) I think it's definitely possible that the researchers themselves were the real subject of the experiment, especially given the recent comment in the blog. That sort of thing is not at all unusual in psychological experiments. The most famous of all psychological studies, the (rather disturbing) Milgram Experiment, did just that, though it's now considered unethical to do that sort of thing without a debriefing (like these guys are concerned with ethics ;p)

2) So Sam's alleged "girlfriend" is that "awful woman" that he previously referred to--she was specifically mentioned in connection with the project. If you noticed, I asked Greg whether he knew anything about Sam's gf or mom, but that question hasn't been answered yet. Sounds like she is still connected with the people behind the project and has some sort of control over Sammy or is monitoring him (though why would she allow him to have this conversation?--maybe she is another part of our friend Sam/Sammy/Samuel?).

So what to think? Could Greg, Sam, RF, the "awful woman" all be facets of a single person? Personally, while it's a tempting thought, I don't buy it. Somehow, I don't think this whole thing is about schizophrenia or multiple personalities, per se. I think something deeper, more sinister is at work. I have a couple more questions of Sammy now, and RF as well. We'll see how they respond (if at all).
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waitress#2
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Good catch on the Milgram experiment.

This is what makes me wonder if Sammy is real.
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I have called the police, but, in their very first steps into the "investigation", they examined all relevant records and confusedly told me that no such conversation could have taken place.

He may be just talking about phone records, but if R.F. told them that Sammy had threatened his children it seems like they may have looked at more than that. I am not sure what to think yet. Confused

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Chronus_Valtiel
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Almijisti wrote:
So what to think? Could Greg, Sam, RF, the "awful woman" all be facets of a single person? Personally, while it's a tempting thought, I don't buy it. Somehow, I don't think this whole thing is about schizophrenia or multiple personalities, per se. I think something deeper, more sinister is at work.

I agree.
With this being an ARG, I have a feeling something beyond recorded science is happening...
Something bad.

The fact that R.F. might just record a tape that existed only in a dream kind of backs that up, as well.
Also, if the phone call was real, that means that Sammy AND R.F. have been having similar visions involving disembodied hands.

And frankly, I'd be disappointed if it was JUST a psychologist with serious Multiple Personality Disorder....
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Almijisti
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I have, however, suspected that Sammy at least might be a split personality of RF--I specifically asked RF whether the police said that the phone records didn't indicate any such conversation. That would be key, of course; we'll see what he says (assuming, of course, that he ever spoke to the police at all).

Also, I mentioned to RF that this was actually the 18th "entry", not the 19th--maybe he thought there was another posting (hope my counting was correct--that would be embarassing). For him to label this the 19th entry specifically indicates that the number has some significance, I think.
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jadetooth
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I've been lurking in this thread and keeping up with the blog since the very first entry.. just wanted to post to say..

Greg wrote:
vitpink:

I am not seeing a face. Sorry. If it's faded or "hidden" or something, could you please highlight it somehow?


Holy Shit! Bingo!

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waitress#2
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jadetooth wrote:
I've been lurking in this thread and keeping up with the blog since the very first entry.. just wanted to post to say..

Greg wrote:
vitpink:

I am not seeing a face. Sorry. If it's faded or "hidden" or something, could you please highlight it somehow?


Holy Shit! Bingo!

That was Almijisti's catch, I just asked the question.

Edit/Wow! I might be able to doctor just the face and post it for him to see. That's amazing. I won't be able to do it tonight though, it's too late.

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Chronus_Valtiel
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Almijisti wrote:
I have, however, suspected that Sammy at least might be a split personality of RF...


I've been having the suspicion that Samuel could be a personality of R.F. as well, but the fact that Greg also speaks of him waters down the certainty of that (I should add, however that Greg may also be a branch of R.F.'s mind.)

Personally, I suspect Samuel of being the one with two minds, especially with his phone call. One minute he warns R.F. to hide his family, then screams in agony and starts spouting very ugly things about R.F.'s children.
Being the Mulder in every strange situation, I'd say demonic possession... but MPD could definitely be the case.

Almijisti wrote:
For him to label this the 19th entry specifically indicates that the number has some significance, I think.


That just makes me lean on the Dark Tower again....
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Almijisti
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waitress#2 wrote:
jadetooth wrote:
I've been lurking in this thread and keeping up with the blog since the very first entry.. just wanted to post to say..

Greg wrote:
vitpink:

I am not seeing a face. Sorry. If it's faded or "hidden" or something, could you please highlight it somehow?


Holy Shit! Bingo!

That was Almijisti's catch, I just asked the question.

Edit/Wow! I might be able to doctor just the face and post it for him to see. That's amazing. I won't be able to do it tonight though, it's too late.


Damnit! Me too. I was hoping the PM(s) wouldn't do anything else--I need to get some sleep tonight. Well that really is significant; wonder if RF can see it....

EDIT/ Don't know how I missed this, but I was wrong--Sam did have hallucinations as well as memory loss according to this earlier response to one of my emails; I still think it sounds like he didn't enter the room until after the experiment started (my comments in italics):

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How afraid those who worked with him [the Red King] were. . . but how they mocked him anyway. I remember hallucinating after seeing things. . . I don't really remember what I saw.

He was hurt. He was bleeding. They were trying to calm him down. [talking about the Red King, it seems] A scientist got hurt during the ruckus. They knew I was familiar with medicine. They wanted me to help. I remember stepping in that room. [this is why I think he wasn't there until after the Red King started to bleed]


So when Sam says his head was taken, he means not just memory loss, but the hallucinations as well--even though it seems as if Sam wasn't in the room until after the Red King started to bleed (at least I hope he doesn't mean his brain was transplanted). Someone or something is making Sam want to hurt these people when he wants (or is supposed) to help them. Could the PM be Sam's "girlfriend", the "awful woman"? I've asked Sammy to confirm whether the girl in his place is the same person as the awful woman he remembers from the Project (he said he didn't know her before, but he does have some memory loss)....crap; forgot to ask if Sam can see the face in the picture--can one of you ask him?
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Killian
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Chronus_Valtiel wrote:
I know that this is COMPLETELY off topic, but what was that music? It was one of the most unsettling things, to me, and I really need some closure.


I don't know if anyone answered this, but the creepy-ass music that played at the beginning of all the Wyoming Incident videos was taken from the WGBH station logo that used to play on Public Television in the 1970's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjgmWrh1PjE&mode=related&search=

The Wyoming Incident music is the music from this video reversed and slowed down.
It's funny, too, because the WGBH logo music would be instantly identifiable to anyone who watched Sesame Street or PBS back in the 70's.
I thought it was a really cool touch. Smile
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