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[TRAILHEAD?] The Red King Project
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the_velociraptor
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No, maybe our Red King is still strapped down somewhere. (I suspect he's a former/still a chaplain, if the Sky Pilot lyrics are true.)

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waitress#2
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Lol, Laughing Twitch I'll try not to call you twitcher, but it's so tempting. If he is hooked up to a machine, how is he doing the blog? Confused

I'm not sure we'll hear from RF much longer, anyway I don't think it will do us any good to ask him any questions about what happened to him when he went to find his wife. He says he is losing the memory of what happened.

This is from an email from Samuel Tyler talking about R.F.

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He is lost and I am the only person who can guide him. Have you considered that he is not who he is? He lost himself. He lost himself long before Red King. I can't even tell you. He keeps them close to him... he's hurting them. He's stifling them. I'm trying to protect him and prevent further casualties. I'm trying to push him back towards where he belongs.

His birthstone was emerald once.

This is what RF said the blue boy at the house said to him

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He told me that he was a prisoner in the darkness and that a terrible man kept many people such as himself prisoner. He kept them close to him. The boy told me that he was close by. I asked him who this person was, and he told me that they were a King.

Both of these quotes sound like they are talking about the same person to me.

I copied all of Samuel's email responses and am going to share them here for anybody that wasn't involved at that time, whereas they aren't on the blog. They aren't organized with who they were written to or what they were responding to, but they are pretty self explanatory.

http://www.mediafire.com/?9dmvwndexdr

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Hey, guys.
I'm not quite back yet, but I'll be on later tomorrow afternoon, if all goes well.
Something nobody mentioned before that I thought was severely important, and what makes Mr. Tyler VERY untrustworthy: The baby.

Quote:
"Ha. Wallace said he found Tyler rifling through med supplies. Thinks he was looking for drugs or something."

"Strange little man. His wife works here, yes?"

"It's his ex."

"Oh, yes. She is the one who had the miscarriage."


This tells us that Sam was married to who could be the horrible woman we've heard about before.
Also, she's had a miscarriage.
Sam said in one of his emails that he wanted his baby back.

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"Being serious here for a second, what should I do if I suspect a coworker of being severely unstable?"

"I am supposing this is about Mr. Tyler."

"Uh, yeah. I found him in one of my labs. I was about to shoo him out as usual, but I noticed he was crying and holding something."

"...Well?"

"It was one of the lab mice we'd been running those neuro-circuitry tests on. It was dead, and he kept calling it his 'baby'."

"Oh boy. What did you say to that?"

"I just took the mouse from him and told him to get out. He was very... irate. Told me to give him his baby back."


This little dialog eliminated what little trust left I had in Tyler.

Now, I have some conflicting theories on why Tyler's doing all this.
Either A.) he wants his baby resurrected and is holding R.F.'s family ransom for it.
Or B.) he wants revenge, for whatever reason, for his ex wife's miscarriage.

This, however, leaves the questions:
Why would Sam say he was trying to help R.F.?
Why was he trying to convince R.F. that he (R.F.) didn't exist?
Why would HE be the one to guide R.F. and say that R.F.'s lost himself?
This leads me to my third theory:

C.) Sam knows R.F.'s pain of loss (the crash and whatever horror its result was) and also knows that R.F.'s suffering the denial that Sam once had when he cradled the rat. He's trying to guide R.F. through his mourning and, (and this next part is a shot in the Ash-Tree-Lane-house dark) when R.F. is mentally prepared, to guide him to the Red King.

Now, about the Red King.
This man is very mentally powerful, even to the point when our unknown scientists are almost classifying him as a god.
He is also very angry and very desperate for help.
The Red King can see, probably even feel the future at great distances.
He knew EXACTLY what happened to his friend and EXACTLY where his friend was. He was also promptly ignored by terrified puny humans.
Then he was strapped down and researched by what was probably a Government organization. When they questioned the Red King, he quickly lied about his dream (saying it was about Curly).
Obviously this project isn't about dream research.
No, no. This is something else entirely.

Well, I have to sleep now. I've got a long drive ahead of me.
I'll see you guys later tomorrow afternoon.
Later Smile
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mgelles
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Is it just me or does the figure on the couch that R.F. describes sound like one of those images from Sammy earlier on. I agree with whoever said these people exists in their minds hooked up to machines somewhere and that the red king is hooked up to perpetuating the dream world. I think the company would cause people to have accidents so they could test the red king's abilities. How they communicate with us. Not a clue. Perhaps the so called "dream machine"
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Ok, so i didn't really too closely for instances of blue, seeing as RF has already concluded that blue is the color of prisoners...some interesting things to note in re the color blue:

On Aug 27 post, Greg runs around the house looking for RF and sees a flash of blue, the trips over a blue cat. Remember how Greg swore he owned a cat himself but woke up one day to discover that no one else remembers him ever owning a cat. Maybe the Red King is keeping Greg's cat prisoner in the same place that he's keeping all these other disappeared people.

Furthermore, it possible that the flash of blue that Greg saw was, in fact, RF, emphasizing the prisoner aspect of their own conditions. each of the project members has become a prisoner, either of mental illness or whomever is behind the project.

On Aug 20, Greg posts about other project members' hallucinations, describing a man named Tom. When Tom looks in the mirror, his eyes change from brown to blue.


As for the color green, here's the list I've compiled...please feel free to add if I've missed something green from the comments:

August 13: RF's double in the dinner is wearing a green jacket.
August 17: green ink pens in the squatter's shack
August 19: A young doctor with green eyes confines RF to a chair in a nightmare
August 24: RF is picked up by a man driving a green Camero (my mother used to have a green camero!)
August 24: Greg looks into the mirror and sees the twitcher with green eyes starring back at him
August 27: green muscle car at the gas station on the way to RF's family

Now, I'm not convinced that these green people are necessarily bad people. Most seem to be people who have an open connection to the project, but offer assistance in their own way. Even the young doctor with green eyes from RF's nightmare seems to want to help him. The counterargument however, is that the green eyed twitcher actually hurt Greg.

As for the black goo, i believe that if there is some nefarious entity behind the shared madness, it's attempting to pull RF and Greg deeper into this madness. The best way to accomplish this is to make them fear and or distance themselves from their support system. Whomever is behind this cuold be using the black goo as a way to "taint" anyone whom RF might rely on to draw him back from the mouth of madness.
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Almijisti
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Hello all. My net connection has been sporadic to bad the past few days (still on dial up), but having caught up with the posts to today, I don't have anything to add to the above except the following:

Rosalez: this name was mentioned before by Greg, and in his post about the house visit, it's one of the names that was discussed by "Tony" and the older and, presumably, Nazi researcher. Rosalez is the last name of this person who is a male and, even by the Nazi's standards, a "butcher". The "glorified masseuse" is the weird little man, Samuel Tyler, of course.

If Blue=prisoner, then Green, most likely equals "guard" given that most of the green references have been associated with what we would call very uncomfortable situations. Perhaps Green=watcher may be more appropriate.

The last post, by RF ("metamorphosis"), is particularly interesting and it's the closest to the type of thing that Sam would have written. The "he" RF refers to is probably not the Red King, but whoever the terrible person is that the blue boy mentions. Sam described RF the same way in the email that waitress #2 points out above, so she's definitely right in her thinking in this direction. The plural use in "he told me they were a king," is pretty interesting, when compared to this thing that the Nazi guy says in Greg's dream:

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"Bah! We had twins just like that. I can tell you, it was hard keeping them lucid and under control. There were even rumors that there were more of them. They're so good at hiding, these little buggers."


RF's description of the horrible thing on the couch actually matches what Greg described about his dream/hallucination, so it may be that RF is able to see others' dreams/subconscious and is unable to separate them from his own.

Anyway, long post, but I think that we're finally getting somewhere with the "prisoner" business. It will be interesting to see if "they" really did force a cure on Greg; i.e., maybe he won't be having any more hallucinations now.

Quote:
"Everyone has this potential. When I am done, you will see that men need not Gods or Kings. They need only themselves."


EDIT/ What I meant to say before rambling on is that there is not one Red King, but that the reference is to any person who was being experimented on--they were all "Red Kings" in the Alice through the Looking Glass sense: the Blue Boy, the cat, etc. They have all been imprisoned or killed and perhaps RF is one that Sam is trying to help.
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NEW POST UP
We now "know" the Red King's name....

...but since the email is from Sammy, might want to take that with a grain of salt. (One big enough to gag on.)

Sammy's description of where R.F.'s family is current residing is interesting. Gotta go one of four ways on this:
1) The Red King can manipulate reality.
2) The Red King can establish mental connections and make people think they're in an alternate reality. ("What'd they call you? Wheels?")
3) This is all happening inside the dream machine or some Matrix-like system, that the Red King can manipulate to his own end.
4) This is all happening within the Red King's own mind.

Given the origins of the Red King's name, and there's WAY too many correlations to call that a coincidence, that eliminates #1. #4 would require a "Dallas" dream season end on the part of the PM, and given their level of writing so far, I'd hope not. (Dating myself on the "Dallas" reference....)

That leaves #2 and #3. Still have to stick with #3, given that we know a dream machine was involved at some point. As to how R.F. and Greg update the blog, well, how did the Red King translate thought patterns to video?

Side note: No idea how to correlate this to what we know, but the elder geek in me noticed the emphasized colors are RGB.

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Almijisti wrote:

If Blue=prisoner, then Green, most likely equals "guard" given that most of the green references have been associated with what we would call very uncomfortable situations. Perhaps Green=watcher may be more appropriate.


Hmmm....while Guard may be a useful term, i feel that the green people are pretty sympathetic to RF's position. Especially in regards to Sky Pilot...it's almost as if the green people are attempting to help RF come to terms/accept what's happening to him. In one sense that may make them guards, but in another it may make them some sort of metaphysical healers. If it's true that RF isn't real, or that he's part of a dream (someone else's dream) they seem to be trying to help him accepting this non-existence in a soothing way. I'm not sure if that makes them guards.

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EDIT/ What I meant to say before rambling on is that there is not one Red King, but that the reference is to any person who was being experimented on--they were all "Red Kings" in the Alice through the Looking Glass sense: the Blue Boy, the cat, etc. They have all been imprisoned or killed and perhaps RF is one that Sam is trying to help.



I think the color designations are important...if blue means prisoner, then red does not also mean prisoner, it must mean something else. What red denotes is not something I've figured out yet, but I don't think red means prisoner also.
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Almijisti
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hyexistenz wrote:


I think the color designations are important...if blue means prisoner, then red does not also mean prisoner, it must mean something else. What red denotes is not something I've figured out yet, but I don't think red means prisoner also.


I didn't mean to say Red King=Blue prisoner, but was suggesting a progression Red King <leads> Blue prisoner. Anyway, based on the latest post containing a message from the RK to RF (assuming the RK intended to communicate to RF through Sam), I still think these guys (Sam, Terry a/k/a Red King) are trying to protect RF because RF himself was the subject of some experiment and that the blue "prisoners" are or may be also under the protection of the RK. Well, at this point, who the hell knows what's going on?
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Hey, everybody! I'm home again :DD

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Well, at this point, who the hell knows what's going on?


I certainly don't. God this is as weird as House of Leaves....

Anyway, I have a feeling that Red may symbolize subjects/experiments.
If ALL of these scientific subjects are considered a Red King (note that they're not referred to as individual kings, but as a single entity: "he told me they were a king) then perhaps red symbolizes the central points in this incident, the king themselves.
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"House Of Leaves" is *definitely* one of the trippiest things that I've ever read.
I always thought that ARGers would love that book. Smile
I hated when I was reading it in a public place and you would hit one of the pages where you have to turn the book upside down, or keep turning the book around because the writing was in a spiral. I must have looked like an idiot.
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That was so great!
And I loved the labyrinth segment where the footnotes lead to dead ends and took you back to the beginning of the chapter.
Can't believe that was Mark Z.'s first book.
Anyway back on the topic >.> <.<
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This is a quote from the email RF got from Sammy. I think it sounds like RF, except for the last line and I'm don't know who that sounds like, I understand what it means....it's just a really weird way to put it.

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I do not want to worry you, R*****. Your family is in a peaceful place. They are in the paradise that the Red King has created within and around himself. They will be set free when the time is right. All we be set as we see it should be.

Sammy never sent us any emails that were that relaxed sounding, or well thought out. It seems like RF is writing like Sammy and Sammy is writing like RF. Confused

The machine in the Empty House post really makes me think of something Matrix like. I was hoping Dermot's first name was Terry, but I researched it and it was a no go. Dermot was visiting a friend in Chicago when he went missing and his first name started with C or K according to what RF said earlier.

But what I don't understand if it's Matrix-like is why the blog in the first place? Why would RF's wife and children be kidnapped? This is really confusing and to be honest, I think I change theories after each post.lol Laughing

I have no clue what is going on, and as for asking questions on the blog I don't even know where to start. I can't ask the red king about anything, I haven't tried Sammy and I'm not sure he'd respond, RF is too far gone to answer questions and I'm not sure how much Greg knows. I'll email Sammy and ask him for a way to contact the Red King and let you know if I hear anything.

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I guess we just have to ride this train....
I feel like we've hit a dead end.
And this has always been in their hands, really.
All of the info we gathered is based on their information alone....
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Did our PM get bored?

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