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[SPEC] Why a Cuckoo Clock sound in trailer?
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the_velociraptor
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 		Yes, it's happened before, especially in CDs. I remember some heavy metal band (can't remember, they were famous) had the last bit of a Beatles song underneath a riff due to the studio screwing up.

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The first poster heard a sound effect that their mental library of sounds interpreted as a cuckoo clock. Then after posting, others heard it too, not because it was there, but because their minds were trying to match the generated sound effects (sfx) with something familiar that they have heard before.




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i understood it well

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suckaH wrote:
I watche it assuming it WOULDN'T be there (so many red herrings so far) and still heard it. That, coupled with the fact that i was expecting it to be after the SoL head hit (read it wrong the first time) and i STILL heard it, lead me to believe that there is in fact a sound there.
That being said, i still don't believe that the sound is some huge clue that we have been oblivious to until now.


Of course you still heard it. There is a sound there, there's no mistake. The question is if it has any sort of relevance. It could be relelvance, it could be a joke, it could be a sound guy selecting a noise he thought that worked. It could be a mistake!

I'm leaning towards the sound guy choosing a sound. It didn't stick out like a sore thumb until someone said "hey, look this is a cuckoo sound" which attunes everyone to it". The best test would be "This sounded a little odd, what do you guys think of it". When you apply a predetermined value, it forces our brains to MATCH it to that.

Much like all that wonky EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomenon), or better yet, and more accessibly, finding shapes in clouds. (Though that part deals with us trying to find common shapes in things.)
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 		Re: I will try 1 more time.
dbssound wrote:
I am not stating that anyone has a desire for there to be a cuckoo sound causing you to hear it (as the previous poster stated), or stating that you do not hear anything. I will tell you that the other people at my studio have heard the sound as well. They, however, just like me agree that it is in no way intended to be a Cuckoo clock sound.

You have chaos and pandimonium and the SOL head flying right at the camera. The SFX guys are trying to represent the sounds of the bending metal and the head, having just hit the building (which is steel framed) and pulling away from the building. Anyone who has ever worked with metal will tell you the bending it under extreme force, or metal scraping across another piece of metal can cause sounds just like that.

I will say that as many movies I think the SFX engineer puts certain effects to high into the mix. This is a perfect example. Tat is not a slight to the engineer, as I can distinguish at least 24 channels of audio and effects whizzing by you at any given time. It is just my opinion on why this anomaly has spawned this thread.

Another theory is a coupling theory where multiple effects and the processors that are being used cause audible anomalies. I, and many other engineers, have had this happen in digital post production. It's a truly bizarre trick your mind plays on you by frequencies of multiple tracks combining at a particualr moment and amplitude that end up creating a completely new and unexpected sound.

You can take that for what it is worth, and continue the quest for the "cuckoo" link if you want. The best thing that will happen is that you'll find out your are right and you can tell me "I told you so", and the worst is you'll get a biology lesson on cuckoos and a history lesson on the cuckoo clock.

Happy Hunting.


I understand what you're saying much better now, but I've got to say- I find it hard to accept that both 1) there is an audible anomaly which presents us with a "completely new and unexpected sound" that we hear as a cuckoo clock chime, because it sounds more like that than anything else we usually hear, and 2) the sound engineer has done nothing wrong.

Because good sound engineering, in my lay-understand of the field, would not represent the destruction of a skyscraper with something that sounds to me more like a cuckoo clock than tearing metal.

In any case, I apologize for prolonging this. At this point, I'm arguing about whether this is a sign of poor sound engineering, of a prank, or of nothing at all. In the end it doesn't really matter.

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 		The little known true remix lyrics:

All I know, time was just slipping away
And I watched it count down to the end of the day
Watched it watch me and the words that I say
The echo of the [cuckoo] clock rhythm in my veins
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:33 pm
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 		maybe just a strange sound, accidently sound editing or to make it sound more intensive...?
but the sound must have been much much clearer and better to the transformers-movie theater audience (but they couldnt replay it to check the weird sound and after people checked the online trailer frame by frame it took quite a while to find it)
(btw does the english speaking world know that saying cuckoo means something like: "hello, I'm here!" ? I dunno. maybe just a joke)

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 		Too me, it sound like a old, faulty soundcard packing up when it was ment to play a full sound.

The COOKUdloodlbeep sound in the cuckko.wav sound on page one sounds like a sound card error.

Perhaps Rob and co are wannabe earth defenders, and this is... nah!
The fact is it is just a annother misc fact.
Just repeat to yourself Its just a moive, and I should really just relax.

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 		which is more logical
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It's either out of it's context or it's not actually a clue. It's probably like a lot of the grafitti. It's being mistaken as a clue but in fact is unimportant to the plot.


1) Except that most of the grafitti is not really 'out of place' on a new york street and buildings like that. However, how out-of-place is a clear cuckoo sound on the open street while people are screaming and buildings are getting busted up, AND it's not even on the hour of half-hour? It shouldn't be there. A random sound of a tire losing pressure, or an ice cream truck, or the crack of a baseball bat, maybe but not a freaking cuckoo clock.

2) Can it be an accident by audio? heck yes it can, and I know that happens all the time. However, think about the precision and focus of JJ's projects. The trailer has been suggested as the biggest clue. In this case, from what we know about this trailer not just being any other trailer, in fact their entire marketing strategy for the launch of the trailer: initially no posters, radio, talk shows, newpaper ads, etc all a huge VERY DELIBERATE decision). Given all that, which is more logical: that they shipped a trailer with a flaw staring us in the face, or that it is there intentionally?

Furthermore, if it was just a mix of some strange sounds to get a crashing effect, and not actually a cuckoo clock, that fact is that it sounds like a cuckoo clock, and the editors should have said "that sounds out of place, kill it". Yes, I can easily believe in accidents in trailer audio mixing, just not in THIS trailer. Not every clue will be hand-delivered on the back of a photo. I think the brief cuckoo sound 'could be' as slight a clue as the brief flash of slusho on hawk's shirt.

3) Thirdly, I respect dbsound, helo and others recent posts of disagreement. I'm fine if people think it's not there, or it's not a cuckoo, or it is irrelevant. All those are fine opinions. But I would enjoy hearing if anyone has theories based on the line of thinking: "what if it IS intentional?".

If it walks like a cuckoo, and talks like a cuckoo...
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 		The Bird Said My Name!!!
Think back to the discussion of the green bird at the end of season 1 and 2 of lost. Did the bird say hurley, or was it bad audio, or a fluke, or whatever you want to call it. Even on lost there are audio and video flaws. no production is perfect.


Maybe JJ has a bird obsession.

As far as your statement about "that sounds out of place, kill it" only shows you have never been in a high pressure production situation. The sound guys are the last people to get to do there job on any production. they are almost always rushed, and told "we need this yesterday". That's just the way movie production works. Again I say that is not meant as anything bad to the audio production staff, just the reality of making a movie.

If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it, and be happy to.

Again I say, the best outcome would be that you are right, the worst is that some kids will get an education about cuckoo's and cuckoo clocks.

keep searching!

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 		Re: which is more logical
KidReviewer wrote:
reggin wrote:


It's either out of it's context or it's not actually a clue. It's probably like a lot of the grafitti. It's being mistaken as a clue but in fact is unimportant to the plot.


1) Except that most of the grafitti is not really 'out of place' on a new york street and buildings like that. However, how out-of-place is a clear cuckoo sound on the open street while people are screaming and buildings are getting busted up, AND it's not even on the hour of half-hour? It shouldn't be there. A random sound of a tire losing pressure, or an ice cream truck, or the crack of a baseball bat, maybe but not a freaking cuckoo clock.

2) Can it be an accident by audio? heck yes it can, and I know that happens all the time. However, think about the precision and focus of JJ's projects. The trailer has been suggested as the biggest clue. In this case, from what we know about this trailer not just being any other trailer, in fact their entire marketing strategy for the launch of the trailer: initially no posters, radio, talk shows, newpaper ads, etc all a huge VERY DELIBERATE decision). Given all that, which is more logical: that they shipped a trailer with a flaw staring us in the face, or that it is there intentionally?

Furthermore, if it was just a mix of some strange sounds to get a crashing effect, and not actually a cuckoo clock, that fact is that it sounds like a cuckoo clock, and the editors should have said "that sounds out of place, kill it". Yes, I can easily believe in accidents in trailer audio mixing, just not in THIS trailer. Not every clue will be hand-delivered on the back of a photo. I think the brief cuckoo sound 'could be' as slight a clue as the brief flash of slusho on hawk's shirt.

3) Thirdly, I respect dbsound, helo and others recent posts of disagreement. I'm fine if people think it's not there, or it's not a cuckoo, or it is irrelevant. All those are fine opinions. But I would enjoy hearing if anyone has theories based on the line of thinking: "what if it IS intentional?".

If it walks like a cuckoo, and talks like a cuckoo...


Actually, I said it, not Reggie. I didn't say the grafitti itself was out of place, my point was it was something that you can see anywhere but I felt people were attaching a lot of significance to when in fact... it could simply be grafitti and nothing more, it in reality isn't actually a clue to anything and is being taken out of context by people who are overanalysing what they can see.

And that's assuming again it's an actual cuckoo clock and noth something that sounds a bit like one, which as that member mentioned we've attributed to sounding like a cuckoo clock because that's the closest thing we can compare it to.

As for a flaw staring us in the face... there's plenty of continuity errors we notice, which are quite blatent that go past the hard worked film editor. When you're on a deadline and in a rush to finish something you miss things. It happens when you're working on a paper late into the night and you don't notice the spelling mistakes because you know what you meant to say but you're too tired to notice the errors.

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 		Re: The Bird Said My Name!!!
dbssound wrote:


As far as your statement about "that sounds out of place, kill it" only shows you have never been in a high pressure production situation.


Quite true, no denying it. My dad works with an AV crew that mixes commercials, a radio network, and live feeds for broadcast news, but I've never been in that kind of situation. The most pressure I had was competing for the county elementary speech contest in the 4th grade. (my topic was "Where to Cooties Come From?") Smile

I get the last few posts, and maybe this thread should just chill until there's a good reason to think the sound means something.

As they say, "Thanks for playing..."

PS - "If you wish to know how many years of life you have left then the old thinking was that on hearing the cuckoo you had to count how many times it called, each call equated to one year of life."
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but soon he hears the Nightingale request the Cuckoo to
remove far away, and leave the place to birds that can sing."
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 		DBSsound is there any way you can seperate the layering of the like 6 secs right before, during, and after the SOL head hits and we get our "cuckoo" noise?

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 		I'll see.
Yes. With various filters and noise removal algorithms it can be done. I will try to do it for you in the next week, but I'm slammed at work.

Note this is not to prove anyone right or wrong. This is simply an expirement in sound and noise removal (also if I say things like that companies give me beta software to try things like his with)! Very Happy

All the best

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I agree with an earlier poster, I think this is a result of multiple sounds mixing to create one total sound. The roar of Godzilla was a tiger roaring backwards mixed with the sound of a particular cello note, I think...
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