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[SPEC] Trailer:map - A party; Manhattan goes up in flames
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sam.weir
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"Concerning the possible complexity of the movie itself, I'm not sure why you'd expect JJ Abrams to be involved in an uncomplicated, straightforward monster-go-smash movie. Not all monster-movies are created equal. "

the only reason i say this is because the only real piece of info about the film we received from him at the comic con was that in the coming months we'll be receving a REAL poster, a title, a REAL trailer. that, to me, sounds like the death of our little ARG i'm afraid. then it will just be another advertised film. nothing to figure out at all until you see the movie.

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If there is an ARG, then they must have worked it all out before they started filming the movie; and, J.J. Abrams supposedly cut the trailer himself.

SO, there could be clues hidden in the trailer... like this map-poster. Assuming there is or will be an ARG, it's a legit. possibility to be explored.

But, there's also a good chance that, even if the map is part of the ARG, it's still just a "prop" - we'll find out what it means later, as we learn more about the backstory (in the manner of a House of Leaves Lat. riddle) from other sources.

Still, on the off-chance it will lead us somewhere -

I agree with deletia that the map on the left is most likely New Jersey (I checked out Google maps and it looks pretty close). And, yeah, those markings would be down near Liberty State Park. I liked the idea of actually going to those locations and finding clues there, somehow. But, the markings aren't very specific - most are just lines, covering several blocks of city. In fact, they're very odd markings - in what contexts would a person have reason to mark a map like that? Any ideas?

And, sam.weir - I don't think J.J.'s comments about a real poster and new trailer mean the end of any pre-movie ARG, unless you were thinking of the game being about finding movie "spoilers." In that case, yeah, it's not gonna happen. But, if the ARG is the House of Leaves Lat. Riddle thing, then it's already started, and it will continue to creep along slowly until the movie comes out and, then, it should get much more involved. In the meantime, we can still look for oddities and note possible leads, etc. Anything in the trailer is fair game, if it's true that J.J. edited it himself. But, we should speculate with many grains o' salt, since if any of this HoL Lat. Riddle theory is right, then we're still very early in this whole thing, so whatever wild theories we form now will become moot when more solid info. starts coming to light.

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I appreciate those caveats. You're right- we should proceed to speculate, but only with so many grains of salt. My hope is that either 1) this will give us a solid lead as things do begin to develop more quickly, or--less likely, I'll admit--2) the game has fully begun already, and this could provide us with a clue as to our next big breakthrough.

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But, the markings aren't very specific - most are just lines, covering several blocks of city. In fact, they're very odd markings - in what contexts would a person have reason to mark a map like that? Any ideas?


That's a really good question. I can't even think of a mundane, out-of-game explanation for why a map would be marked like that.

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The ledger in the middle separates the left side of the map from the right.

While the left side does look like it may be Jersey, what if it's the right side in detail and the ledger is used to point out details?

Just a thought. Can't see it too clearly.

If that's a real map I hope someone here finds a copy.
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Because of that ledger, or column of text, in the middle, I think it's gotta be a train/subway map w/schedule information as the text. I can't think of what else would have maps and a dense table of text/info. like that, except maybe some kind of nautical chart, but they're maps of land, not water. Anyway, those markings are still strange for a subway/rail map.

They could just be markings of specific places, but done in a very sloppy way.

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I took a closer look at it and the left side of the map does seem, to me, to be a detailed view of lower Manhattan. Perhaps your idea about a train schedule is correct and the sites crossed out are the places where he takes the subway.

Damn, I wish we had a clear look at this map.
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deletia wrote:
Melampus, worngmike, a few other folks, and I have been discussing the map from the trailer (image courtesy of Dennis from Cloverfieldclues) in the picture analysis thread. It seems like a safe bet that the right side of the map is a map of Manhattan. The left side of the map seems to me to be New Jersey, across the Hudson (check it out at Google maps). If that's the case, then the largest of the strange markings on the left side of the map would be just west of Liberty Park, where you'll find the Statue of Liberty. And a great big monster.

That's the picture analysis portion of this posting. If you see it differently, please respond in the pic analysis thread. Here's the speculative part:

If whoever owns that apartment where the party is being thrown (not necessarily Rob, as worngmike pointed out) knew about the attacks in advance* then we have a real mystery on our hands. Not only that, but the mystery involves seven people that we've been allowed to question--seven people who have encouraged us to question them. The only catch is that the crime hasn't been committed yet.

So, if you're willing to play along with the basic speculation here--that the map tells us that whoever hosted that party knew about what was going to happen--then our first question in this ARG is who's apartment is that? The next objective would be to figure out what they're up to.

From this perspective, there are a number of artifacts sitting around the apartment that could help us figure this out. The Japanese stuff might lead you to think it's Rob's apartment, but the party is being thrown is in his honor, so all that might mean nothing. That AKM paddle might be something, though. Who went to a school that had an AKM chapter? Who snowboards? Et cetera.

We've said before that what we're lacking is a question. This could be it.

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*I know it's an assumption, that this map means what I think it means, but thus is the nature of speculation, right?


edit tag to refer to trailer and map ~rose



In hand I have the Lonely Planet guide to New York City, and from studying the maps in the back it looks I totally agree with the right hand map being Manhattan Island, however I believe the left hand one is a New York City Subway line map, which in my guide book depicts Manhattan, Staten Island, Brooklyn, the Bronx and Queens. It is my belief then that the largest red mark at the lowest part of the left hand map is marking part of Jamaca Bay, possibly running from somewhere close to Brighton Beach up to Canarsie. I believe it's a Subway overview map as it looks like a tourist map (the central section looks like one of those hotel/store directories) and there's a shape that, to me, in the top-left corner of the 'left map' looks like Manhattan Island.

Here's a similar sort of map for you guys to take a look at:

MAP

Of course, that's just my belief... whilst I haven't seen any tourist maps that specifically depict New Jersey, given it's outside of the State Line it doesn't mean it's impossible that it does depict NJ, I just figure it's more likely a map of the main Island and the outer boroughs.


The problem is that the detail's pretty poor... so far there's three guesses as to which part of the city it depicts and unfortunately I believe it's so far useless for any attempt to track down the exact locations, should they be significant.

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Seems a bit far fetched...

It's a map! You're never going to get anything from it.

If there is an ARG, which no one has even seemed to have established. would one frame from the trailer really be the key to figuring it out?

As it stands we're just trying to figure out the movie. Which is fun.

My idea was that they were a small group messing around with a Cthulu like "club/cult" as a gag to get girls or something and it ends up going terribly wrong. "SHIT IT WORKED" as in, the ancient one is returning.

But I suspect the plot will be well guarded. Single frames in a trailer won't reveal that much.

No one ever commented on my posting of the guy with the weird mouth/teeth. But everyone was happy to conjecture of a box of tea.

Here it is again.
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Re: [SPEC] Trailer:map - A party; Manhattan goes up in flames
The question we've been waiting for?

The more I look at the map section, the less I'm convinced actually.

I think you're right, Anteros, it looks like Lower Manhattan, like this:

LINK

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Nah.

It's manhattan on the right.

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I don't think he was saying it wasn't Manhattan on the right.

And I'm beginning to agree, kingpin. Maybe the left side does look more like a zoom of lower Manhattan than the Jersey side.

Hm.

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Who cares?!

It's just a prop!

We're not going to figure out ANYTHING from a map on a wall on one frame from the trailer.

And if there's an ARG this would be of zero help.

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Re: Who cares?!

SLUSHO_ZOOM! wrote:
It's just a prop!

We're not going to figure out ANYTHING from a map on a wall on one frame from the trailer.

And if there's an ARG this would be of zero help.


Well maybe the map gives no help but that doesn't mean we should just rule it out saying its just a prop. What if people didn't look at Jason's shirt in the one frame of the trailer and saying it was /just/ a shirt. Well I wouldn't be hating donkeys or wearing this nice asphalt shirt.

But don't get me wrong though, this is probably a dead end

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You're right.

We all have our pet frames from the trailer.

Mine is the weird mouth guy. Looks like he's wearing a mouth guard.

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Pet Frames

Mine would have to be Jason cause boy I love the shirt Laughing

And that picture with the guy and the weird face is pretty strange too. Especially seeing as how the only accepted faces are the "WTH" face, "OMG RUN" face and the "OMG lion, get in the car!" face.

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