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[SPEC] Theory about the monster
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the_saint
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Black Star wrote:
Other clues:

1. Slusho has a donkey swimming underwater. Could the donkey actually be a horse? Seahorses were considered baby dragons by the Japanese, if I remember correctly.

2. Dagahra lives in water, which supports the tracks on the poster.

3. With how much pollution runs rampant today, it makes sense that Dagahra would be awoken.

The only complaint I have is that people who have never heard of Dagahra are going to think that this is just some cheap Godzilla rip-off.


Cool posts -thanks for the "vote". I think JJ could do it justice though -With any kind of backstory, it should leave the only common links to Godzilla with 1. It's technically a part of the Godzilla universe (through Mothra -or rather Rebirth of Mothra) and 2. it's a giant monster. But hey -that didn't stop King Kong.

Another point to the reference to a water habitat which supports the followers of Slusho thinking there's some connection to land, sea and air, Dagahra can swim, walk and fly... and shoot laser beams from his mouth or from the cannons on his shoulders!!! FTW!

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qontrolfreak
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 		I just don't get how all these references to the Bible and the Crucifix at 1:00 in the trailer could relate in anyway to previously thought up monsters.

At all.

Quicker C'thulu, but Godzilla, Voltron...old things. No.

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the_saint
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qontrolfreak wrote:
I just don't get how all these references to the Bible and the Crucifix at 1:00 in the trailer could relate in anyway to previously thought up monsters.

At all.

Quicker C'thulu, but Godzilla, Voltron...old things. No.


Huh? I'm sorry, but you're gonna have to elaborate here cuz I have no clue what you're talking about.

At all.

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dtweedokay
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Black Star wrote:
Other clues:

3. With how much pollution runs rampant today, it makes sense that Dagahra would be awoken.


Wasn't the temperature ridiculously high (for January at least) in the newscast during the trailer? A nod to global warming (and consequently pollution)?

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the_saint
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 		Another spelling of his name: Dagarla -here's a resin model of it: http://www.kaijukits.com/library/koc/dagarla/dagarla.htm

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the_saint
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 		A decorated poster, Almijisti, posted in http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20379&start=975 says this about the shirt Rob is wearing on his MySpace page:
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That said, I'm still wondering about Rob's "adios" shirt. That always did strike me as an oblique reference to the events coming 1-18-08 (death and rebirth symbols). To date, I don't think anyone's found that shirt so it seems to be a one-off, meaning that it's "IG" to the extent there is a game in the first place


The reference to rebirth reminded me that Dagahra's debut was in Rebirth of Mothra II. Zing!

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the_saint
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 		Yet another tidbit to support my and my wife's theory about the monster (or at least what I believe to be a central influence on what the monster is)

This is a quote that comes from /film (http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/08/06/set-report-and-photos-cloverfield1-18-08-shoots-in-central-park/) regarding someone known as nooneimportant77 who filmed some of the set from public property.

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"There is one thing that i heard him say, i could be wrong. it is VERY possible i'm wrong but i think i heard him say "there is one up there" as though there is one of many monsters above. I COULD BE WRONG."


Now, while I totally respect his caution (disclaimer) in being quoted on something, it does support the first quote an anonymous person gave about there being not just one giant monster, but a bunch of little ones. And I think it supports the Dagahra theory with regards to the Barem it releases from it's body.
Sure, Barem originally were poisonous starfish-looking things, but that's why I set my own disclaimer that if it's not the exact same monster -JJ's monster may have been heavily influenced by it.

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 		Tie this in with the slusho history page and the deep sea ingredient and I'll buy it.

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pondrthis
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 		This is an excellent concept (ties in on so many points), and I also give the "if it's not original, this is it" vote.

I haven't been following this ARG closely enough, but the whole "lots of tiny monsters" is news to me. That kinda makes it less cool to me *OPINION*.

I agree that it would take some work to make this NOT look like a Godzilla ripoff. In that I will NEVER watch Lost (look at my sig about pseudoscience), I don't have the faith in JJA that many have.

As for tying it in to the Slusho history page, that's easy.

The smallest whale went to sea to find a secret Slusho ingredient, but never returned. Her son then began harvesting this secret ingredient and putting it in what can only be assumed to be smoothies. The substance "turns you into a whale".

What makes the most sense to me is that this secret ingredient is toxic waste, which (as it tends to do in comic books) transforms Noriko or whatever her name is into a large monster. Her son then harvests it and feeds it to people who then become the smaller monsters. Variations that are better probably exist, I didn't sleep very well last night and it's quite early here.
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Nitsujest
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dtweedokay wrote:
Black Star wrote:
Other clues:

3. With how much pollution runs rampant today, it makes sense that Dagahra would be awoken.


Wasn't the temperature ridiculously high (for January at least) in the newscast during the trailer? A nod to global warming (and consequently pollution)?
no we have confirmed that it get's 63 degree's in New York sometimes it's somewhere in the main thread

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the_saint
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Nitsujest wrote:
no we have confirmed that it get's 63 degree's in New York sometimes it's somewhere in the main thread


What?? That's insane -it gets up to 63 degrees in New York at around midnight in January?? I don't buy that at all -but I'll at least research that one.

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the_saint wrote:
Nitsujest wrote:
no we have confirmed that it get's 63 degree's in New York sometimes it's somewhere in the main thread


What?? That's insane -it gets up to 63 degrees in New York at around midnight in January?? I don't buy that at all -but I'll at least research that one.


...says so in the trailer, and I think it's agreed that it is abnormal. Again, I think this will cue the social commentary about global warming.

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the_saint
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 		May not be related but interesting; a quote from Hawk's blog:
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A friggin' squirrel got loose in our apartment building. You'd think it was a Velociraptor, the way these fools were carrying on.


Oh -and the reference to Mr. Kephart who had his gun out ready to the shoot the thing. There's a book from the early 1900's by a Horace Kephart which has a chapter on cooking fresh killed game, like bear and squirrel. Very Happy

Just interesting and a little humorous... that's all.

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 		However
There has been a movie about Dagahra, albeit a Japanese one, not American. This is from Wikipedia:

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Dagahra is a fictional monster featured in the 1997 Japanese film Rebirth of Mothra II. The film's antagonist, he is a gigantic, reptilian, triphibious beast created by an ancient ci...


So wouldn't that rule him out? Even though he's not a main character in that film (by the sounds of it), using him wouldn't be making "our own" monster. Although your theory is really good, and sounds totally plausible!

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the_saint
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 		Re: However
laura_cornwall wrote:
There has been a movie about Dagahra, albeit a Japanese one, not American. This is from Wikipedia:

Quote:
Dagahra is a fictional monster featured in the 1997 Japanese film Rebirth of Mothra II. The film's antagonist, he is a gigantic, reptilian, triphibious beast created by an ancient ci...


So wouldn't that rule him out? Even though he's not a main character in that film (by the sounds of it), using him wouldn't be making "our own" monster. Although your theory is really good, and sounds totally plausible!


I don't think it rules him out just because he appeared in a Japanese movie. I get what people are thinking, but I think JJ has the freedom to use another monster (or create one heavily inspired by one) and give it the ol' American twist -like with what happened with Godzilla hitting NY and being a giant mutated Iguana or whatever rather than the true Godzilla from Japanese films.

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