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drizjr
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 		Info: Trithemius cipher
I'm certain that this must be posted elsewhere, but it's a site worth rereading if you are trying to crack Trithemius' cipher. It's about the men who did it, and how they did it.


http://www.post-gazette.com/healthscience/19980629bspirit1.asp

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In actuality, the numbers were the whole point of the 22-page treatise. Those numbers were encrypted messages.
Both Ernst and Reeds picked up on the same clues to the code. As they scanned the rows of numbers, the patterns suggested messages that were being repeated. Each time the message was repeated, however, the numbers increased by 25.
For instance, if Mississippi were encrypted as 1-2-3-3-2-3-3-2-4-4-2 in its first iteration, it would be repeated as 26-27-28-28-27-28-28-27-29-29-27. It appeared that Trithemius had prepared 28 different versions (one for each planetary "intelligence") of a 25-character alphabet.
The question then became: what alphabet? In the 15th century, the alphabet was still evolving. For instance, some alphabets used "uu" or "vv" instead of "w." Use of the letter "y" was just beginning.
Trithemius' alphabet is missing "j," "k," "u" and "y." It includes "th" from the Greek theta, "sch" from Hebrew and "tz" from who knows where, Ernst said.


This is a site that tells how Sir Francis Bacon used Trithemius' alphabet.
http://www.sirbacon.org/links/fellows.html
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Another interesting use of the Trithemius alphabet is found in the vital year of 1623. If the alphabet is 'doubled' according to Francis Bacon's directions in The Advancement of Learning, and numbered:

1...2..3..4..5..6..7..8..9..10..11
A...B..C..D..E..F.G..H..I...K....L
M...N..O..P..Q.R.S..T..V..X...Z.

the letters under 1 6 2 3 give A M F R B N C O or M. FR BACON.


If I'm not mistaken, I believe the highest number in the equations, not the htmls, at Greywethers is eleven (?). Hmmm.
I'm not sure how to apply any one this, but maybe it will help someone else. :)
driz

PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 8:49 pm
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Sunny du Pree
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 		Re: Info: Trithemius cipher
drizjr wrote:
I'm certain that this must be posted elsewhere, but it's a site worth rereading if you are trying to crack Trithemius' cipher. It's about the men who did it, and how they did it.


http://www.post-gazette.com/healthscience/19980629bspirit1.asp

Quote:
In actuality, the numbers were the whole point of the 22-page treatise. Those numbers were encrypted messages.
Both Ernst and Reeds picked up on the same clues to the code. As they scanned the rows of numbers, the patterns suggested messages that were being repeated. Each time the message was repeated, however, the numbers increased by 25.
For instance, if Mississippi were encrypted as 1-2-3-3-2-3-3-2-4-4-2 in its first iteration, it would be repeated as 26-27-28-28-27-28-28-27-29-29-27. It appeared that Trithemius had prepared 28 different versions (one for each planetary "intelligence") of a 25-character alphabet.
The question then became: what alphabet? In the 15th century, the alphabet was still evolving. For instance, some alphabets used "uu" or "vv" instead of "w." Use of the letter "y" was just beginning.
Trithemius' alphabet is missing "j," "k," "u" and "y." It includes "th" from the Greek theta, "sch" from Hebrew and "tz" from who knows where, Ernst said.


This is a site that tells how Sir Francis Bacon used Trithemius' alphabet.
http://www.sirbacon.org/links/fellows.html
Quote:
Another interesting use of the Trithemius alphabet is found in the vital year of 1623. If the alphabet is 'doubled' according to Francis Bacon's directions in The Advancement of Learning, and numbered:

1...2..3..4..5..6..7..8..9..10..11
A...B..C..D..E..F.G..H..I...K....L
M...N..O..P..Q.R.S..T..V..X...Z.

the letters under 1 6 2 3 give A M F R B N C O or M. FR BACON.


If I'm not mistaken, I believe the highest number in the equations, not the htmls, at Greywethers is eleven (?). Hmmm.
I'm not sure how to apply any one this, but maybe it will help someone else. Smile
driz


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Shelina
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 		Re: Info: Trithemius cipher
drizjr wrote:
This is a site that tells how Sir Francis Bacon used Trithemius' alphabet.
http://www.sirbacon.org/links/fellows.html


Hey Driz, this link doesn't work, could you check it please?

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zounds
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 		Re: Info: Trithemius cipher
Shelina wrote:
drizjr wrote:
This is a site that tells how Sir Francis Bacon used Trithemius' alphabet.
http://www.sirbacon.org/links/fellows.html


Hey Driz, this link doesn't work, could you check it please?

works fine for me at the moment, perhaps it was down for a short while?

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Shelina
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zounds wrote:
works fine for me at the moment, perhaps it was down for a short while?


Yes, it works now Smile

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