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IronJ146
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The Movie Posters

Dude, having the guy say "It's Alive" as a nod to the old monster movie posters is totally feasible. Granted, one of the aspects of the "cloverfield" trailer that make it unique is the that fact that it's like a piece of the movie, and not clips from it. That still doesn't quite make it "movie dialog" as trailers are more or less glorified movie posters, anyway. The trailer FEELS like a more actualized movie poster to me. Yes, the line sounds totally out of place and cheesy, but an advert is an advert whether it's a series of moving pictures or one still one.

What good is a monster movie if there isn't some obligatory camp? At least in the marketing so we know what we're getting into. Yes, Mr. Abrams is very creative, and likes to take risks and push boundaries, but he's not all out unconventional. Where would we be if we didn't have what got us there in the first place?

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You know what, I apologise, this robot/monster based on robot look idea is no less feasible than the bloody lion one.
I personnally will stick to my annoyingly atheist view that: the monster doesnt exist until I see it. Which isnt to say it doesnt exist, but that I am not going o bother imagining which one it will look like or be.
Truth is, none of us have any scrap of evidence to support a visual concept for the monster, except its huge, and apparently, alive.

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i still say its as simple as. . .monster wakes up and is pissed because monsters always are, smashes up NYC gets more pissed because humans are messing with it and goes away.

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"It's Alive!!""

Monster movie tradition. Stop using this as logic.


That has to be the exact reason they used the line "It's Alive!" in the Cloverfield trailer. Maybe the cloverfield monster is also from 20,000 fathoms.. OR MORE!!!?!!?!!?!

I know Cloverfield isn't a remake, but I have to say I'd be completely fine with a remake of this movie.

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well, i'm not a mean guy
read it

I'm not going to tear your theory apart. I myself didn't realize that choco "mr t" rage had a three finger claw... that is a very interesting fact/clue. No clues have come out of the slusho flavor page at all until now. I feel that that is a valid point and should be discussed without this ROBOT BEING THE MONSTER THAT MEANS YOUR STUPID comments that everyone is voicing.

But i'm not in complete agreeance with what this theory says. I actually don't agree with any of it really... but i respect it and understand that any answer that someone comes up with could be totally false to everyone, but at the same time the theory can be the correct theory in this war with JJ that we are all fighting. So here we go with my opinion on your theory....

A. The reason the guy says "Its Alive, and its huge" is (in my opinion) not implying that its something that everyone sees as an inanimate object that comes to life all of a sudden. THink about it this way.. This would fit in your theory... if the trailer didn't have the statue of liberty's head torn off, then the SOL would fit well into your theory. And if i was on the street and i saw the SOL coming at me, i would yell... "its the SOL... its alive!" if something comes to life that would've be in plain sight prior, you wouldn't say "its HUGE" cause you already know that its big! The reason for "its alive, its huge" implies that we aren't thinking of another "terrorist" style movie. With that quote that guy says in the trailer, we all find out and so do the characters in movie that its not Al QUida! If i was in NY at the time the explosion happened, roar or not, i would've thought that we were being attacked by north korea until i heard someone say... Its ALIVE, ITS HUGE. Done

B. JJ's shirt. Yes i believe he got the picture taken just to let it out and have us look at RAGE and his three finger claw. No matter what, JJ is in control. He's letting us know what he wants us to know. This makes me want to focus on just CHOCO RAGE for awhile. I hate to say this but Chocolate and Cthulu share alot of the same letters and even thou i feel this movie has nothing to do with Cthulu, i feel that these clues need to be focused on a little more. The Choco RAGE character could be an indication of what the monster will look like. We know that it came up from underground, but how did it burrow underground. Choco "mr t" RAGE kind of has a mole look to him, he's dirty (with mud?) when all others are clean and his blaster is unique among all the other flavors (cause thats what they are ... Flavors, not robots) except one.... STRAWBERRY TASTY... whom also shares the 3 dots on the body and has different hands than the rest (xcept MR RAGE). THis is most likely going out on a SERIOUS limb, but its what i thought at the moment... and at the same time, the picture of JJ in that shirt could've been another way to sell a different shirt like the slusho tshirt in the trailer made everyone fight to get one. 30 million to make it??? well thats what the studio is paying, how much are we?

C. I agree people are digging to deep. I dig too deep as well (as much as i try not to). JJ could be everyones informant for all the cloverfield websites out there. Viral marketing isnt supposed to be super hard, it never has been in the past. LOST was harder because it was a continuous show and it needed a longer harder viral marketing campaign to keep interest for multiple seasons, not one movie.

D. The sound possibly being Robotic/organic hybrid... well on this note i would like to say all you have to do is look to JJ's inspiration for this movie... GODZILLA and listen to all the monsters in those movies. The wierdest noises you've ever heard, coming out of monsters even though they sound like they are coming out of a synthisizer. (i know i suck at spelling, i really don't care, i've got a great job) i digress.

MY THEORY ON THE SOUND IS THAT ITS EVERY SOUND ANY MONSTER HAS MADE IN GODZILLA MOVIES, MIXED INTO ONE. I FEEL SOME OF THE SOUNDS HAVE BEEN REVERSED IN AUDIO AND OTHERS SLOWED DOWN FROM A SECOND OR TWO LONG SOUND TO SIX OR SEVEN SECONDS. THAT MAKES A SOUND LOWER IN PITCH. I KNOW MY SOUNDS BECAUSE I WORK IN RADIO AND I ALSO RECORD LOCAL BANDS AND DEAL WITH SOUND PRODUCTION ALL THE TIME.

I'm spent... my theory is coming soon.... then you can all call me stupid too, but at least myself and KitsuneRisu are willing to throw out our wild ideas, instead of keeping them to ourselves out of fear of being ridiculed like you are all doing right now.

Thank you and good night

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Ryomi
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IT IS VOLTRON!!!
just kidding

But you have to admit that the flavor mix page of Slusho.jp would've been bad ass viral marketing for VOLTRON. Who knows, maybe he made that part of the website as a joke because so many people were insisting it was voltron without any evidence.

I could just see JJ now..... Sitting at his desk thinking... "those fuckers think that i would make a voltron movie! HA!! How dare they call me an unorigional bastard! Well fuck them, i'll make a Voltron-like section of the website were different colored robots form one big robot just to stick it in their ass!"-jj Abrams

thats the most logical thing i've thought of during this whole viral marketing campaign. And the only thing that i am SURE is correct. JJ, you really can come up with original ways to fuck with people... for that sir, i salute you!

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I'd rather have more monsters than less, myself. Maybe over the span of 6 movies? That'd rock, totally.


Im up for that... SO LONG AS they dont make it STUPID... I absolutely hate when they keep a series going too long and it ruins even the great original.

To be honest though... I wouldnt be mad if it DID look like a mutated version of Mr. Rage, But i would prefer something completely new.

Not a humanoid shape, not a dragon, not a Godzilla... something NEW. That is what I truely hope it is.

Humanoid could be awesome if done right though. Quick crazy little idea would be like, the ingrediant that makes Slusho so good, also has some... unwanted side effects. Six Slushos would then be enough to trigger something and turn you into a monster.

I dunno, but if the monster WAS originally a person, that could be interesting so long as its done in a pwnage, and uncheesy way that we have never seen before.

Oh, and btw. No worries about it being Voltron, someone else already has a Live-Action Voltron covered for ya'll.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/812/812037p1.html

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IronJ146

I totally agree with you. Some of the recent campy hits were really good! Like, well.. ok, I don't know about anyone else, but I really liked 8 Legged Freaks, and Shaun of the Dead. All extremely campy, and such.

But now the question is, is this a tip of the hat from J.J. to classic monster movies, or is it a guy yelling out that something's alive because it's not meant to be?

Well... I don't have the answer! But alright, fair enough, you have a point on this one.

Although I'd like to state for the record that I, personally, believe that this trailer was written and recorded specifically to whet us. I do not think any footage seen in the trailer will appear in the actual film itself, which actually lends credence to the fact that that campy line was in there as a tribute. However, it just seems suspect to me, as it is the only campy thing about the entire trailer in the first place. Everything else was done in a very artistic way, which is what I love about J.J's stuff in the first place... hrm. Well! Only one way to find out.

golf
I personally imagine the monster to be A GIANT AN.. no wait.. a HUGE SCORPI... oh.. uh.. GIANT SPI... damnit! They're all done.

You know what, I'll give it to J.J. In a world where nearly every concept has been done and tried and succeeded or failed, he still dares to go ahead and try to make an impact. I respect him and give him props, and hope he really succeeds with a monster that WILL pave the future of cinema.

Phew, making a classic in the 21st century. Tough shoes to fill, sir! Let's see just HOW creative he can be.

Maybe it's a giant, animate Barney suit.

nooneimportant77

Sure, that would be typical, but there ain't nothing wrong with typical. As long as it's done well, it's done well.

someguyY

Well! When the remake comes out, be sure to have this poster handy! But yes, I agree, if J.J. had meant for that line to be a tribute rather than anything deeper, then it DEFINITELY was a tribute to these old films.

Ryomi

First and foremost, thank you for your level-headed support, and I appreciate your approach.

A. Very good point. I myself thought it was another terrorist movie until I actually heard the fella say that line, and also, saw the head of the SoL go flying gleefully down the street. This probably isn't helping my OWN argument, but heh, I just remembered that in Ghostbusters II, there was that very animate SoL waltzing down New York, and I don't believe anyone actually said "It's alive". (I can't remember though!) However, the way that I figured it, personally, was that people are used to seeing that monster AS a cartoon flavour from Slusho. Seeing it alive.. and a lot larger than what people might figure it to be.. would make them say precisely that. "It's Alive!" (I can't believe I'm seeing a cartoon mascot in real life) "It's huge!" (It's... big!) So while I agree with you that it's there to accentuate the fact that it's a monster movie, maybe it could have played two parts, since you could say it's a monster any other way. Of course, it could always be a tribute to old monster films, as stated before.

B. It has been argued by other people on the site, I've seen, that that shirt in question has nothing to do with the flavours in the first place. I'd like to keep on the assumption that it either is, or it at least inspired him somewhat. I mean, look, 6 robots/6 robot-like flavours? Hrm. *Shrugs* I have no clue. But anyway, let me get into it.

Your point, essentially, is exactly what I've been trying to say. It's not the robots on the page. The flavour-bots are merely cartoon representations of what the actual monsters will probably be based on in the movie. That's the idea, anyway. I totally forgot about the burrowing-underground thing! Well, that IS supposed to be chocolate, sweet... SWEET CHOCOLATE running down Mr. T's shirt and arm, but you're right. Mud.

Taking a close look at the flavours in general I see a general pattern to them. As you say, Chocolate Rage is unique in the way that he has one hand different from the rest. Strawberry Tasty appears to have clubs for hands, but still, both are the same. Rage and Banana Anime are the only two that do not have visible juice bubblers. Rage, Nashi and Tasty have scanning-line eyes rather than blinking eyes. Chocolate Rage is the only one that is not a fruit. I don't know, Chocolate Rage seems to stand out. I still believe that all 6 flavours are... kinda involved, but Chocolate Rage...

The name and his design and the fact that chocolate is a pod, and not a fruit? (Or seed, you know what I mean).

And well, IF, and this is a BIG IF, J.J.'s shirt has anything to do with this, yeah, marketing strategy. He's just getting some of that 30 million back from us.

C. Wow, lost's marketing and ARG and all that was BRILLIANT. It was so deep and involved, people got... Lost in it for a looong time. But then again, there were so many (and still are) theories that it's mad. I've seen the BEST theories that really answer EVERYTHING suddenly just go to poop just cause of a new bit of information that came out a while later. I think anyone who makes a theory is already digging too deep. It is the safest, and best, to just wait and find out. But this is definitely more FUN. Also you get points if you actually guess some things right. But then again, there are various degrees of digging. I, personally, like to look for double meanings everywhere. Others like to look for patterns. I like to look for breaks in them.

I read another theory on this board about the Kottos thing. I actually enjoyed that, and myself find it quite viable. I don't like the bloop idea because, well, giant squid... eh. It won't really get very far INTO New York city, would it? Of course one could argue that it's not a squid at all, but some other sea-based creature, and... it could be anything at this point =\

D. Not to mention that the smoke monster's roar from Lost... wow, everyone thought it was a dinosaur, or a mapingari (spelling?) or whatever. It's SMOKE. HAH. Who guessed 'smoke'? Please not let anyone say that they can tell what the monster is simply by its roar. However, you can tell what it's NOT. I did listen to the bloop recording, and the recordings of some live whale song, and then this roar from the site. It's nothing like them. Not even a little bit. I haven't tried submerging my computer in water to listen to it there, but... I still don't think so. =\

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MY THEORY ON THE SOUND IS THAT ITS EVERY SOUND ANY MONSTER HAS MADE IN GODZILLA MOVIES, MIXED INTO ONE. I FEEL SOME OF THE SOUNDS HAVE BEEN REVERSED IN AUDIO AND OTHERS SLOWED DOWN FROM A SECOND OR TWO LONG SOUND TO SIX OR SEVEN SECONDS. THAT MAKES A SOUND LOWER IN PITCH. I KNOW MY SOUNDS BECAUSE I WORK IN RADIO AND I ALSO RECORD LOCAL BANDS AND DEAL WITH SOUND PRODUCTION ALL THE TIME.


Well, we might be onto something here. You know what, if you have the equipment, if you could try to recreate it, we might be able to actually see a pattern emerge.

Either that, or we have to ask the Jedis what it REALLY sounds like to hear a thousand voices cry out in pain, and then suddenly silenced.

Oh wait, it sounds like this.

*pop*

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Ryomi

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I could just see JJ now..... Sitting at his desk thinking... "those fuckers think that i would make a voltron movie! HA!! How dare they call me an unorigional bastard! Well fuck them, i'll make a Voltron-like section of the website were different colored robots form one big robot just to stick it in their ass!"-jj Abrams


LOL. Definitely. They can squirt CHOCOLATE RAGE at you too. Dayum!

Eh, J.J.'s been fuxing with the public since Alias. He's pretty much a genius. Let's see if he makes or breaks Star Trek. Kirk gets mysterious!

Lambo_Diablo_Svtt

I have mixed feelings about this, really. I know what I definitely do NOT want.

- No robots of ANY KIND. Transformers is enough.
- No giant mutated animals, ESPECIALLY INSECTS OR MONKEYS.
- No giant humans.
- No mythological creatures. While it'd be cool, I don't feel it'll fit the genre.
- No Anime/cartoon characters FGS.
- No no no no NO LIZARDS. That's JAPAN'S TURF.

What's ok -
- humanoids, as long as you said, they look awesome and cool and not at all like Attack of the 50 ft Burt Reynolds.
- Something original altogether, but good luck with that.
- mutated humans. As long as the end result looks nothing like a human. I do NOT WANT TO SEE HUMAN!

I can see a mutated, disgusting Mr. T Chocobot, minus the bot bits. Maybe armour, but has to be a living creature underneath it all.

Somehow I find this concept extremely deliciously disturbing in that way. Imagine having your favourite cartoon character corrupted like that. Imagine a giant, 80 ton pikachu, except that it was covered in blood and claws the size of a streetlight, razor sharp teeth, eyes sunken in and black, and it sounded like that sound clip. Imagine if you saw that in real life.

Maybe that was a very bad example.

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as for the Alive, huge thing.

i honestly think its just someone freaking out in the trailer. because i mean if you were in a state of shock from seeing something huge and alive what else would you say? (smart ass comments arent needed)

if you dont think about it as being campy its actually very realistic. if a huge monster were to attck new york dont you think atleast one person would atleast try to inform the people around him that "i saw it. its alive its huge!" of course they would.

its logical. its probably not a tribute or anything of the sort.

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I think it is a lot to say actually.

I would probably yell something like, "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"

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TVRotBrain wrote:
I think it is a lot to say actually.

I would probably yell something like, "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"


well i mean people would more than likely be asking questions all around you.

i think it was a very informative thing to say but still showed panic.

to me its very realistic

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i dont think we'll ever find out any real meaning for "i saw it its alive its huge" mainly because i dont really think it has much meaning i think a freaked out guy who saw whatever was smashin up NYC (and then somehow got blocks and blocks away from it but hell i'd be runnin too) and yelled that.

i think i'd be screaming "SON OF A F***KIN B**** RUN FOR YOUR MOHTER F***ING LIVES WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE"

but thats just me

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KitsuneRisu wrote:

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Anteros, I appreciate your imput, but I still don't think so. These are extremely campy
posters from, as you said it, OLD movies. Right now we're trying to put applicable
theory on what someone would say if you were there in that situation.

Just ask yourself. WOULD you say 'It's alive'? Sure, they used it as a phrase in
many famous old movies. But If you saw this movie as the actual movie poster
for Project Cloverfield, would you take it seriously under today's context?
Isn't it a fact that most old movies had dialogue that was extremely cheesy
by today's standards, and lines that are classic merely because no one would
ever, EVER say them?


1.) I'm going to agree with Ryomi and expand it a bit more. "It's Alive!" means
It's not an attack by foreign forces.
It's not a bomb
It's not an earthquake
It's not a gas main explosion
It's not any normal conclusion we would normally come to.

"It's alive, It's huge" means something big and breathing is tearing our city to pieces
so the natural inclination of the people hearing him would be to RUN!!
Consider it a warning cry.

2.) I still also believe that it's a nod to old monster movies, beginning with the 1931
Frankenstein that had Colin Clive as Dr Frankenstein screaming,
"it's alive, it's alive!" and continuing through the monster movie era.
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As for JJ's shirt, Red Walrus posted this on page 33 of the Slusho! thread:


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Remind you of anything?
I was watching the bonus disc of the first season of LOST
and this kinda jumped out at me. I'm just wondering if anyone know what shirt it is?


Can be found at Lost dvd - season one - disc seven
- inside lost - welcome to Oahu at 2:20.

I know it probably has nothing to do with the Slusho
robots but it may be an inspiration.

Does anyone know what the shirt is and was it popular?

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