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[SPEC] Simplified Monster Theory
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[SPEC] Simplified Monster Theory
Sometimes Simple is Best....

Hello, first time poster, but I've been lurking around the place here and there reading some stuff. I don't know if this has been mentioned before but I had an idea about what the monster (or monsters) might be. If this has been said before, then I apologize.

However, rather than delve into mythology and history and cryptozoology and everything like that, I believe the answer is much more simple. The monster IS indeed hiding in plain sight. In fact, all you have to do, really, is go to the page www.slusho.jp, and click on the 'flavours' page.

And there they are.

Why I believe this partially due to feeling, but mostly, there WERE some clues. Now, bear with me, because I know I've seen these on this site before, but I have no idea where they are any longer.

But let's just start with the logical bits -

First and foremost, I'd like to state for the record that all those weird quotes, slogans, and funny things around the site are just a result of Japanese randomness. We've all (hopefully) seen Japanese shows on Youtube, anime and other Japanese sites for weird toys and they CAN get a bit eccentric. The only thing worth noting are the swimming animals on the History page; but not the animals themselves. What they think of when you hover your mouse over them. Do they mean anything? I think that it's an inside joke for the producers. One of the production bits was codenamed 'cheese', and I think 'hammer' and 'mitten' might just be other codenames. This is what I believe for now. Since we're on the History page, let's begin here.

The story of slusho posted on the Slusho.jp History page is really rather straigthforward. As some have said, it's meant to be marketed toward children, so it has been written in a more carefree and accessable way. However, one thing still stands out. EVerything sounds fun and happy except for the fact that there is a beverage-making enterprise that killed his [Ganu's] mother!

Who puts something like that in the middle of a children's story? Sure, death HAS happened in kid's tales, but stated so as-a-matter-of-fact like this? This isn't Dahl, this isn't Suess. This one line bothers me in a way to make me think that the story is something a bit more than just what it seems. If this story were indeed actually TRUE, but just smoothed over for marketing purposes, then we would actually have a tale of a genius gastronomist who made really good drinks, but was eventually hired by a drink company or something. This drink company killed her off for an unknown reason, leaving behind Ganu. Ganu took revenge by finding something at the bottom of the sea that was both his method of revenge and his ticket into the company. This thing WAS incredibly tasty, but also what he would need to destroy the company from the inside out.

It could be anything, but now, let's go back to the flavours page.

There was another post I read here (and I'm very sorry, but I had trouble finding it again. IF anyone knows, please do post a link!) where there was a picture of J.J. wearing a shirt with 6 robots on it, the second of which was highlighted and slightly larger. Now, I seriously do not know if this shirt has anything to do in the first place with the Cloverfield project, but it seems to me that it resembles the 6 robots on the Flavours page nicely. If we can take that shirt as proof, the highlighted robot would be Chocolate Rage.

Rage. What did the posters say? Monstrous, Terrifying and... Furious.

So it's an angry, terrifying monster. Chocolate RAGE. Hrm.

And in the trailer, the first thing the guy running away in the streets said was "It's Alive, It's Huge!"

Why would you say it's alive, unless it's something that you wouldn't expect to be alive? Something like a robot, or a mascot character that you all knew and loved? The focus was definitely on the 'alive' bit. If you saw Godzilla, you wouldn't say 'It's ALIVE!' unless you KNEW that

- It was supposed to be dead
- It wasn't supposed to be alive

And yes, there are subtle differences.

If you look carefully at the chocolate rage bot, you would notice that on his right hand, he has three fingers, which matches the number of claw marks on the Statue of Liberty. His right hand seems to be some sort of Chocolate squirting funnel of deliciousness, which, doesn't really seem to have any connection yet to anything.

Listening to the roar of the creature on the newly relaunched 1-18-08.com, (recording found at cloverfieldclues.com), I can safely say that while it sounds organic, it doesn't necessarily have to be so.

I can definitely say with 100% confidence that it sounds nothing like the original bloop recording. Maybe because we're not listening to it underwater, as Star Trek 4 has kindly shown us, it changes things a bit, but I really doubt it. It has a slight raspy tang to it, making me believe that it's some sort of organic/robot hybrid. And before you accuse me of trying to make things fit for my convinience, it was THIS robotic sound that caused me to come up with this wild conjecture in the first place.

So, here's what I'm proposing.

Understand that I have no proof at all, so all those people who say that I can't be right because I don't, you're just wasting your breath.

It is ENTIRELY conjecture at this point, if you have logical arguments against me, by all means.

The monster(s) in the movie are the flavours of the Slusho! product.

The mascots are not exactly robots. I believe that what was found under the ocean was actually these never-before-seen creatures, that have some sort of intense destructive power. The secret ingredient is NOT some magical flavour. The drink itself was simply made just like every other drink, in a lab by researchers. I believe it is a front.

I believe that the 'lotus blossom' on the Flavour page is actually a strange item that causes the mascot characters to mutate and morph when fed said item. They slowly grow into a disgusting, huge collossus, they definitely do NOT look like their happy anime portrayals on the page itself, but eventually go mad and start to destroy New York.

I believe that Ganu's mother was killed by Americans in New York, which is why Ganu is targeting this country rather than anywhere else.

The entire front of Slusho! is simply for him to get capital and money, and stay in the same industry as his mother's murderers, so he would have access and keep tabs on them. His real mission was to breed monsters using this underwater 'magical flavour', and use it to take revenge against the people who killed his mom.

And that's what I think.

So, let the ripping-into-thereof begin!


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Chocolate Rage,
say it in public and they'll think your insane,
Chocolate Rage


-Tay Zonday- Chocolate Rage.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:32 am
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golf wrote:
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Chocolate Rage,
say it in public and they'll think your insane,
Chocolate Rage


-Tay Zonday- Chocolate Rage.


Damn straight.

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Except... do you honestly think those robots could make that roaring noise they just added to 1-18-08.com?

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Err... why not?

What exactly does it sound like it comes from? Either way, it's a presumption, isn't it?

This roar has an equal amount of chance coming from a robot, 'bloop', or a constipated giant mutant elephant.

The point is, we don't know. And you obviously didn't understand my theory completely or very well - I specifically highlighted that roar.

I quote myself -
"Listening to the roar of the creature on the newly relaunched 1-18-08.com, (recording found at cloverfieldclues.com), I can safely say that while it sounds organic, it doesn't necessarily have to be so. "

And I also never said that the robots found on the Slusho.jp site were robots. We only know them as robots, and refer to them as robots simply because that's how they appear on the website. Keeping with the 'lore' of the world that Cloverfield takes place in, why can't these representations be a caricature of their true natures? You are accepting it at face value.

1. The robots don't have to be robots. No one said they were.

2. Why can't a robotic creature have an organic sounding roar in the first place? If you took proper recording equipment, went to the zoo, and recorded a lion, and played it back, would that sound like a robot, or a lion? And you are forgetting that ALL. EVERY SINGLE MONSTER SOUND in the history of all movies ever are played back on 'robots', that is, digital formats. So I do not see any problem whatsoever with robots making roars that sound vaguely organic.

3. I said in my hypothesis, I didn't think the robots were really robots. I said they were organic creatures that were found, and being bred to become monsters. When did I ever say that they were artifical constructs?

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What is it with lions.

OMG A LION GET IN THE CAR!!!1!

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this is the smartest person online. i've been saying since this whole thing came out that everyone is looking FAR too deeply into things and that the clues are probably right in our faces.

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It's not a damn robot. It's a giant monster. If JJ wanted to make "our own" Godzilla, he wouldn't make it a stupid robot called Chocolate Rage.

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KitsuneRisu wrote:

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Why would you say it's alive, unless it's something that you wouldn't expect
to be alive? Something like a robot, or a mascot character that you all knew
and loved? The focus was definitely on the 'alive' bit. If you saw Godzilla,
you wouldn't say 'It's ALIVE!' unless you KNEW that


I'm so glad you used Godzilla as an excuse for this particular part of your theory:



And if that's not enough, here's another old monster movie poster for you:



"It's Alive!!""

Monster movie tradition. Stop using this as logic.
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Nice come back, Yay for classic movie lines!!!

I cant see it being 6 robots or fruit coloured creatures.

That just has silly written all over it.

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2. Why can't a robotic creature have an organic sounding roar in the first place? If you took proper recording equipment, went to the zoo, and recorded a lion, and played it back, would that sound like a robot, or a lion? And you are forgetting that ALL. EVERY SINGLE MONSTER SOUND in the history of all movies ever are played back on 'robots', that is, digital formats. So I do not see any problem whatsoever with robots making roars that sound vaguely organic.


Now... in order for a machine to MAKE an organic noise, it would have to GET the sound FROM something. So in order to know how to make that noise, it would need to take a nice happy trip to the zoo and record the different animal noises. I do see a problem with a robot sounding like that.

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And I also never said that the robots found on the Slusho.jp site were robots. We only know them as robots, and refer to them as robots simply because that's how they appear on the website. Keeping with the 'lore' of the world that Cloverfield takes place in, why can't these representations be a caricature of their true natures? You are accepting it at face value.


Yes, we may only know them as robots, but what evidence is there that points to them just representing monsters? theres almost NO evidence pointing to anything around those six robots. Im sorry but, I just dont think those six slusho robots are it. you could be right or wrong, but untill theres some more evidence pointing towards them, i think its something entirely different.

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Golf and someguyY, I tried to be nice, but forget it. You guys go straight to the moron list.

For the third time, I am not suggesting that the monster is a robot. I never did, I never will. Please, please learn basic comprehension before you come up with all your "OMGWTFBBQ it can't be a ROBUTZZZ NEUUU".

I hate the idea that it's a robot.

But you know what? I never said that it was.

And yes, I implied that the monsters were disguised as the mascots but please, obviously their real names won't be Chocolate Rage or Banana Anime. For God's sake, doesn't anyone here know how to use a bit of common sense? Obviously not someguyY or golf, huh.

Anteros, I appreciate your imput, but I still don't think so. These are extremely campy posters from, as you said it, OLD movies. Right now we're trying to put applicable theory on what someone would say if you were there in that situation.

Just ask yourself. WOULD you say 'It's alive'? Sure, they used it as a phrase in many famous old movies. But If you saw this movie as the actual movie poster for Project Cloverfield, would you take it seriously under today's context? Isn't it a fact that most old movies had dialogue that was extremely cheesy by today's standards, and lines that are classic merely because no one would ever, EVER say them?

Sure, I agree with you 100% that it's a monster movie tradition. But since when has J.J. Abrams ever stuck with tradition? I'm sure his hit show Lost was so popular because it took cliche'd lines and scenes from 50 year old shows.

No, I'm afraid that I can use this as logic. You haven't disproven my point. You have merely shown that it has been done somewhere else.

If you really want to disprove me, all you need to do is give me a logical reason why someone would call something alive when it's quite damn obvious it's alive. The only reasons would be that it isn't something that's obviously alive, or not meant to be alive in the first place.

And no, again, you can't say that 'oh, they did it in a bunch of movies before, so obviously it's the same thing, and they're just doing it again'.

Not to mention that these are POSTERS. Taglines on posters are common. But as a line of dialogue in the movie itself? Go and find me some quotes. Actual lines from the movie. Not posters, not captions. I am pretty sure there are a lot less. And in the Godzilla poster, it wasn't even being said by a cartoon man running away! For god's sake, it was in a small white box beside the title. You're seriously using that?

Lambo_Diablo_Svtt

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Now... in order for a machine to MAKE an organic noise, it would have to GET the sound FROM something. So in order to know how to make that noise, it would need to take a nice happy trip to the zoo and record the different animal noises. I do see a problem with a robot sounding like that.


Alright, but I don't think the monster is a robot, so this point is pretty much moot. But just for the hell of it, let me just ask you a question. If someone made a recording of a lion in the zoo, did the recorder go to the zoo itself? When you hear the roar of Godzilla in that last Godzilla movie, did the movie make up the sound by itsself? No. People did it. A robot is a construction. If someone made the robot, that same person would be the person to make up the sound, or record it.

By your logic, you would have extreme problems with animatronics at Disneyland being able to talk, because they couldn't take trips to see dead presidents and getting their quotes.

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Yes, we may only know them as robots, but what evidence is there that points to them just representing monsters? theres almost NO evidence pointing to anything around those six robots. Im sorry but, I just dont think those six slusho robots are it. you could be right or wrong, but untill theres some more evidence pointing towards them, i think its something entirely different.


Er.. no. As I said, this is purely conjecture. If you want to argue against my idea, bring something to the table to discuss. Don't just tell me that I'm wrong because I know very well that there is a good chance that I am.

In the same way that you don't think they are the monsters, I think they might be. So what's the problem here?

What's the difference between MY theory and everyone ELSE's theory, basing it on bloop or some old norse gods or whatever? They have just about the same amount of evidence as I do. A lot of CONTEXTUAL clues, and a lot of conjecture.

My evidence was detailed in my original post. I think there's something suspicious about the whole deal, and I'm not sure why so much attention is being paid to slusho if it DIDN'T eventually play an extremely large part in the movie lore. I'd rather have slusho play a part rather than just being thrown aside for Kottos, or a giant underwater Squid. Of course, these are personal reasons, but I don't see why they should be unreasonable in the least.

At the VERY least, the thing that I am convinced about the most (although still not confirmed, yes, I know that, etc.) is that this 'magical ingredient' has PROBABLY something to do with the monster. Maybe it IS the monster. But in any case, sure, you have your opinion.

But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

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I lost my common sense years ago... and please forward a copy of the moron list... I wanna see who else is on it!
It sounds brilliant.

Oh and one thing. You are forgetting what your arguing about a bit. Your last post sort of said it would be too cliche for JJ Abrams to put "its alive" in the script. But he has.

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sorry if i came across as a little snippy sounding, because i didnt intend to.

Anyways I never specificly SAID you were wrong. At one point i said you might be right or wrong, its just so hard to guarantee anything about the movie at this point since theres hardly any concrete evidence about the monster.

Also about the robot thing, I can see where your comming from now. I was kind of going on the basis that whatever the thing is in this movie was NOT man-made, because that would just be cheesy IMO.

I respect the fact that you have your own opinion, I just dont really agree with it yet. For now it still seems like just a waiting game until JJ or Paramount decideds to drop us some more concrete evidence.

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golf wrote:
I lost my common sense years ago... and please forward a copy of the moron list... I wanna see who else is on it!
It sounds brilliant.

Oh and one thing. You are forgetting what your arguing about a bit. Your last post sort of said it would be too cliche for JJ Abrams to put "its alive" in the script. But he has.


Nope! What I meant was that JJ wouldn't have put that quote in the movie in the SAME CONTEXT as the old movies did. When he wrote that line, he more likely meant for it to have a specific reason for it. Watch all or any of his shows. No one says anything without purpose.

And please don't say that it's not true that no one says anything without purpose. It's called an exagerration.

Oh yeah, and while the list is too long to be posted here, be happy that you've joined the ranks of a lot of people in gameFAQs.com. Be honoured. Surprised

Lambo_Diablo_Svtt

No problem. I agree with you entirely. There isn't anything, and there won't be until the official word from J.J. himself. I've been around long enough to know that being so utterly convinced in something is a good way to get egg on your face; which is why I always make sure to write that I am well aware that my theory is as full of crap as anyone else's.

And yes, I really really would not like a man-made robot anything in the movie. That would be extremely disappointing. I'd like a REAL flesh and blood monster, with disgusting slime and horrible bits. I wouldn't mind a bio-engineered monster, but I'd draw the line at AI, or a cyborg.

And dear lord, please no Voltron. PLEASE.

Another reason why I figure the flavours have something to do with it is because there is specifically 6 of them, and as we've seen, 6 is a recurring element in the show from what we know.

But you're right, a waiting game it is.

Imagine a figure like Chocolate Rage, and you absolutely corrupt its image. You make it gigantic, and instead of cute fingers you gave it hard claws, instead of a chocolate coating you made it bilbous and slimy and ugly as hell, with the same kind of overall image - two empty holes for eyes, no neck, and no.. cute anime design.

Wishful thinking, yeah, but how cool would that be?

And I'm 50/50 on the fence of there being 6 monsters. I'm not sure why the number 6 is so prominent in the lore so far.. maybe it's just what it is. Just cause J.J. wanted it, eh?

I'd rather have more monsters than less, myself. Maybe over the span of 6 movies? That'd rock, totally.

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