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[HetMasteen]

9/11/2007

[Shiningfist]

Re: 9/11/2007

[HetMasteen]

Re: 9/11/2007

[Silent|away]

You can't silence conspiracy theorists, however, no matter how much you scream. By posting that "Al-Qadiah does 9/11!" you are ending up committing the same sins (or, more importantly, the same annoying posts) that they are doing.

And I know many people do think that article has flaws in it, even if they do believe that the conspiracy theories are bunk. I believe the conspiracy theories are bunk. But I do think that in the end, there are conspiracy theories about everything. And some of them may even be true. But it's hard to verify, so it's better to accept what we know currently.

[Shiningfist]

[HetMasteen]

For me, weakness is in numbers.
For a conspiracy of this magnitude to be pulled off, you would need at least 1000 people "in the loop". Probably much much more, as the president, and other major figures, cannot be attached to it. It will require multiple levels of shadow leaderships.
Those many people cannot all keep their mouths shut. Nor do I believe you could find enough low level people who were willing to take part in such a thing. Which is also a major problem: How do you ask someone if he's willing to do something like this without giving the secret away?
Anyway, the logistics of it are staggering. Governments are notoriously inefficient. If some highly trained group of international mastermind criminals pulled off something like this, I wouldn't be surprised. But a bunch of politicians? Give me a break.

[Vman]

I feel so outraged whenever I hear someone say it is an inside job and remind them that we live in America not the middle east and to at least have some respect for those who died. You guys are right, the emphasis now is on conspiracy theory and paranoia instead of our great nation's unification

[Silent]

[rose]

I don't think that most people take any stock in the conspiracy theorists. I certainly don't think that they get most of the attention. I've seen these people down at the World Trade Center trying to spin their views. I had to physically restrain my son from acting on his rage about it. I can't imagine any intelligent person believing them. Certainly, no one who was here in September 11th does.

I think some people feel safer believing that we have a highly functional, but secret, group running the US, rather than the disorganized mess we have now. For some reason that is less frightening to them than the reality of the enemies we face and our own vulnerability.

[HetMasteen]

I wish you were right, rose. But unfortunately, many many people believe this crap.
I live in Israel and many people here believe these theories. You'd think that impossible, as we have experienced first hands the length to which extremist Islam will go.

That's why I posted this message. I'm not trying to get through to the raving lunatic. I'm trying to reach the normal, intelligent person, who has lost his trust in the government to the extent that is willing to believe they would actually do something like this.

[Caz]

[AeroMechanic07]

well what about the fact that we created al qaeda during the cold war or that we trained sadaam here in america military tactics?that all came back and bit us in the butt in my opinion we sorta helped create the monster

[HetMasteen]

I think people should stop trying to prove America is to blame for her fate. Nothing America did deserves this. Especially not helping Afghanistan fight the Soviets. During the cold war, each superpower took sides in skirmishes. You think America sided with the bad guys? Just look at who the Soviets supported: Nazi Germany (Ribbentrop-Molotov treaty), North Korea, North Vietnam, Iran, Iraq, Syria... The list goes on.
Hindsight is always 20-20. In real time, you often can't contemplate the consequences of your actions twenty, thirty, or fifty years into the future.

Regardless - the US gave the Afghanis weapons to fight the Soviets. Remind me how that justifies flying 3 planes into buildings and one into a field? We helped them, not fought them.

As I've said before - as a conservative (or neo-con, or whatever), I am willing to concede that America is partially to blame for the way things are going, if this concession will cause Americans to stop worrying about who did it, and start worrying about what to do about it.

[AeroMechanic07]

i wasnt saying that america is totally to blame there was alot of other factors there but we helped create it thats all i was saying of course we didnt know they we gonna turn on us like they did its just one big mess and dont get me wrong i love this country if i didnt i wouldnt be in the military helping to fight this war i was just mearly stating that we had a hand in deciding our fate as a country we wont truley ever know what to do about it because you cannot please everyone someone is always going to be angry at us it will never end you can never rid the world of so called evil but the in their eyes we are the evil ones i guess sorry for ranting its just fustrating rough subject for me

[yanka]