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LazarusLong
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New Feature at The Edge of Sight

Iris has posted her first report from Aglaura http://www.edgeofsight.com/feature.htm:

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It has been over 48 hours since we arrived here in Aglaura NJ and I feel as though, from the moment Chris, James and I drove over town line, we have been trying to walk head first into a hurricane force wind. First, let me describe what happened when we entered the town. We were driving along just fine and then Chris yelled, "Look, what is that?" I pulled over to try and figure out what he was looking at and found that if I tilted my head just so and squinted my eyes as I unfocused them, I could almost make out this shimmer or something. I just know something was there, but none of us could pin down what it was and the guys both thought it looked like something different.

We then entered the town and followed the directions to the home of the person who summoned us to this quaint area. Her name is Mrs. Phyllis Willingham, the proprietress of the Hollow Needle Antique Shop which she runs out of their home. Her husband, J. Douglas Willingham, Esquire, is the esteemed lawyer for the town. After meeting with Mrs. Willingham, we entered her home and began our initial inspection, at which time we took sample data and tried to get a read on the ambient conditions of the house to see if perhaps there was a natural electromagnetic phenomena or some other natural condition which is known to cause what some people report as disturbances. Needless to say, all of our findings were within normal limits.

I did, however, discover a number of entities, spirits and energies which are most likely the cause of the problems. I believe that at least some of the issues may arise from the current owners having incurred the displeasure of the prior residents, but of course that is only conjecture at this point. Other things that have happened in the house have caused us to decide to concentrate our efforts within this house for now, despite the fact that the Library is also a hot bed of activity and a mass of strangers have been emailing me, asking that I check out this, that and the other thing within the town. My loyalty is with the woman who brought us here and it is in her home we will work until we find a way to help her.

You see, we have contacted not only the spirit of a little girl and an older couple, all of whom we are told are most likely the former owners, but I have also had a close encounter with some sort of sentient energy or extremely high level entity. This entity literally knocked me out! It was all darkness and confinement, but I do not know if it is confined, or if it is confining something else. I will have to tread very carefully, as the last thing I want to do is release some ancient evil on this poor woman.

There is another powerful energy in the town's library, although it is different somehow. I could not get a good impression, as I immediately went into a trance and started to channel, so I do not really remember as much as I should. I hope to go back there soon with Chris and James to see if I can either get a better impression, or make contact. The fact that I went into a trance is not necessarily a good sign, as it means it is rapidly releasing energy at a high vibration.

Now, for those of you who like strange beings, do I have some for you! There are these people who are hanging around the town and, freakily enough, only certain people can see them. I actually stood with a group of people and asked them who the person watching us from across the street was, and only two of the 7 people stated they could see the person; the others thought we were playing some sort of joke. I have been told that these beings arrived around the same time that strange graffiti appeared in town. Now, there is an interesting side story to this graffiti. You see, when Mrs. Willingham and I went to the Library, I pointed out the odd graffiti, which clearly startled her. She said she could not see the graffiti, as it had been sandblasted away a long time ago. I tried to appear calm about this and explained that sometimes an impression can be left in an area that is only visible to someone who has the appropriate talent to see it. I do not know if she bought this explanation at the time, but she did seem to calm down after that.

I always find it interesting how investigations tend to bring all sorts of people out of the wood work. I have received more fabulously strange email in the last few days than I have in the last few months! Supposedly there are, within this town or in the nearby environs, a lake with a ghost, a cult colony compound and a cemetery that turns into an amusement park at different times of the year. I am planning on staying a while longer to look into all of these once the Willingham case has been concluded.

My head spins with the possibilities we are finding here. Perhaps this, of all cases, will be the one to give us indisputable proof of what we have been saying all along, that there are beings and dimensions beyond the one which we can perceive.

Look for a Updated Feature Report from Aglaura NJ very soon.

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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 12:20 am

Sunny du Pree
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Sorry Laz
I dint see this posted Embarassed

stayed up too late had too much party!!!!!!

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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 1:35 pm

MageSteff
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Sunny du Pree wrote:

Sorry Laz
I dint see this posted Embarassed

stayed up too late had too much party!!!!!!

Oh, so you went to the BBQ after party yesterday!

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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:15 pm

Sunny du Pree
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Magesteff wrote:

Sunny du Pree wrote:

Sorry Laz
I dint see this posted Embarassed

stayed up too late had too much party!!!!!!

Oh, so you went to the BBQ after party yesterday!

Yes I was hoping to run into Wes!!!!!!!!1 Laughing

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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:29 pm

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Sunny du Pree wrote:

[quote="Magesteff
Oh, so you went to the BBQ after party yesterday!

Yes I was hoping to run into Wes!!!!!!!!1 Laughing

[/quote]

I hear he is very good looking for a man his age.....
Laughing

If you see him give him a hug from me!

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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:16 pm

Myssfitz
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UPDATE at Edge of Sight

Quote:

http://www.edgeofsight.com/feature.htm

Quote:

Hello to all of you, my faithful readers. We have now been in Aglaura
for over a week and so much has happened for me to tell you about.
First of all, let me tell you that Mrs. Phyllis Willingham, who runs the
Hollow Needle antique store, has been the most gracious of clients. She
has not only opened her home, she has opened her heart and I can
honestly say she has been one of the most accommodating clients we have
had in a long time. If any of you are ever in Aglaura, please stop by
the store and buy a little something. Phyllis deserves our support and
encouragement! (Update: Mrs. Willingham's husband recently passed away.
Please grant her some time and space by not flooding her with emails.
Thanks! Iris)

Now let me move on to the investigation. Things have gone from bad to
nonexistent. That is right, you read me correctly. Everything within
the Willingham house has stopped. There are no longer bumps and thumps,
the cold spots have vanished and the bleeding walls have not reappeared.
I am not sure, but I have had reports of this calm in other parts of
town as well. I would think this was a very encouraging sign if it were
not for the other aspects of the case which have suddenly come up. You
see, there are people watching us, people who exist in the shadows. In
fact, a member of this group of watchers, or another similar group, has
even threatened me with some sort of metaphysical punishment. I know, I
can hear all of you clamoring to know who they are and all I can say is
that a noted local figure has termed these people the 'second ring'.
What the first ring is, I could not tell you, as he has proven to be a
most unhelpful source of information.

We took a trip this week out to the old Ashram that once existed in the
Pine Barrens outside of town. While we were there, we were confronted
by these 'second ring' fellows and some other people who have been
labeled as the 'dead eye guys' for their dark, emotionless and glazed
looking eyes. I do not know if these groups of beings are truly out to
hurt humanity or if they are just misunderstood, but they certainly do
give me the creeps.

Many of you already know that I do not normally have visions and that
when they come; they are sporadic and fuzzy at best. Well, all of that
has recently changed. While here in Aglaura I have been having multiple
full-body, full-senses, visions. It is as if I were parting the curtain
of time and space to actually witness events as they occur. There is
one subject of my visions, a young girl I believe may be the noted local
artist Sarah Wyatt as a young girl, who seems to see me when I am near
her. I have found her staring at me, even as I stare at her. Can you
believe that? I certainly can't and I have experienced it.

There also seem to be a group of people that many have been mentioning
called the 'guides'. What sets these people off from the other groups
is that each has a deformity of some sort. One email correspondent told
me that one has six-fingers; another has no hand and so on. If any of
you have experience with a group like this, please email me and let me
know. I would be interested to know if they are just a local phenomenon
or are more widespread.

I know that I am leaving out a lot and so I suppose I will just direct
you all to the web. Someplace out there is a website or two where
people discuss cases such as this one. I have not been able to look it
up yet, so I cannot give you the web address, but please do find it.
Everything that has happened here is there in much more detail than I
have the time to provide.

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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:00 am

Caterpillar
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Re: UPDATE at Edge of Sight

Quote:

http://www.edgeofsight.com/feature.htm

Quote:

You see, there are people watching us, people who exist in the shadows. In fact, a member of this group of watchers, or another similar group, has even threatened me with some sort of metaphysical punishment. I know, I can hear all of you clamoring to know who they are and all I can say is that a noted local figure has termed these people the 'second ring'.What the first ring is, I could not tell you, as he has proven to be amost unhelpful source of information.

I do not know if these groups of beings are truly out to hurt humanity or if they are just misunderstood, but they certainly do give me the creeps.

Is civilization the legacy of a race of human angels known as Watchers and Nephilim?

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com.au/Articles/Forbidden%20Legacy%20of%20a%20Fallen%20Race2.html

Another site describes the Nephilim as "Fallen Angels".
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/nephilim.html

This same site links to:
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/gnosis/dee.html

Quote:

JOHN DEE -
In 1581, as Dee knelt in prayer late one autumn, there suddenly glowed a dazzling light, in the midst of which, in all his glory, stood the great angel, Uriel. The spirit reportedly handed Dee a crystal most bright, most clear and glorious, of the bigness of an egg and informed him that by gazing at it he could communicate with otherworldly spirits.

John Dee was enraptured by this prospect, but in spite of the angel's promise, he had little luck at scrying with this 'shew-stone'. The scientist resorted to employing others to do the actual scrying, conversing directly with the spirits, while he kept scrupulous notes.

The one with him the longest was Edward Kelley. Kelley claimed to raise a host of spiritual beings who attempted, among other things, to teach Dee 'Enochian', the language spoken by angels and the inhabitants of the Garden of Eden.

Many magicians assert that the Enochian language predates all human languages. Gerald J. Schueler is widely considered one of the foremost experts on Enochian magick. Mr. Schueler states that Enochian magick is the powerful system of Magick used by Aleister Crowley, and the Golden Dawn, and of the The Necronomicon, to contact intelligences from other dimensions.

There nine orders of angels...but I think I'm getting away from where I started, if where I started even has anything to do with this. She says there is a place we can find the information out there. So i'll keep digging.
~cem

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 12:36 pm

Valas
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Re: UPDATE at Edge of Sight

cemgate2002 wrote:

She says there is a place we can find the information out there. So i'll keep digging.
~cem

I may be stating the obvious, but she meant CD and UF as the places where more information can be found. She's writing to her fictional audience, not to us directly.

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 1:16 pm

Caterpillar
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Re-reading it ...maybe you're right. (But I'll keep digging anyway:)

Edit*** And even if that is that's not what she meant....doesn't mean there "aren't" sites out there with discussion regarding Watcher/Rings...right? Very Happy

(Unless of course that whole part of the CTW plot is totally authentic...which is also possibel..lol....I've yet to turn up much of anything sound.)

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 1:26 pm

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Cem, this might help you a little. I posted info about this in April. You can see this thread:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1059&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=fallen+angels

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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 8:44 pm

Caterpillar
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Thanks but I wasn't really getting at the nine orders of angels...I've known about those as well as other possible "identities" for the Nine.

What I was more interested in are what Iris referred to as Watchers, which one possible "identification" tells us are Fallen Angels or Nephilim (different also from Fairies as Fallen Angels/Sidhe, the Nephilim are indeed described as "The Watchers")

And what interested me more is that out of only 5 links on the page I cited, one was to a lot of info on John Dee (Who was an alchemist; hermeticist, cabalist, and adept in esoteric and occcult lore. He also at one point had possession of the Voynich Manuscript which he sold to the Holy Roman Emperor...and has also come up in CTW a number of times).

~cem Very Happy

~still determined to find something~

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 11:40 pm

Myssfitz
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cemgate2002 wrote:

~still determined to find something~

I didn't mean to imply to look at a spec of "the Nine". Farther down the page I mentioned the Fallen Angels. I remembered some of the stuff from Push. Here is that info. It's not really about the watchers- it's about how the Faeries may be Fallen Angels. And they do watch us and Dale.

It seems the Fairies may be Fallen Angels or The Sidhe. See the excerpts from Ancient Legends, Mystic Charms, and Superstitions of Ireland
by Lady Francesca Speranza Wilde
[1887]
The Fairies as Fallen Angels.

THE islanders, like all the Irish, believe that the fairies are the fallen angels who were cast down by the Lord God out of heaven for their sinful pride. And some fell into the sea, and some on the dry land, and some fell deep down into hell, and the devil gives to these knowledge and power, and sends them on earth where they work much evil. But the fairies of the earth and the sea are mostly gentle and beautiful creatures, who will do no harm if they are let alone, and allowed to dance on the fairy raths in the moonlight to their own sweet music, undisturbed by the presence of mortals. As a rule, the people look on fire as the great preservative against witchcraft, for the devil has no power except in the dark. So they put a live coal under the churn, and they wave a lighted wisp of straw above the cow's head if the beast seems sickly. But as to the pigs, they take no trouble, for they say the devil has no longer any power over them now. When they light a candle they cross themselves, because the evil spirits are then clearing out of the house in fear of the light. Fire and Holy Water they hold to be sacred, and are powerful; and the best safeguard against all things evil, and the surest test in case of suspected witchcraft.

and

The Sidhe Race

THE Sidhe dwell in the Sifra, or fairy palace of gold and crystal, in the heart of the hill, and they have been given youth, beauty, joy, and the power over music, yet they are often sad; for they remember that they were once angels in heaven though now cast down to earth, and though they have power over all the mysteries of Nature, yet they must die without hope of regaining heaven, while mortals are certain of immortality. Therefore this one sorrow darkens their life, a mournful envy of humanity; because, while man is created immortal, the beautiful fairy race is doomed to annihilation.
One day a great fairy chief asked Columb-Kille if there were any hope left to the Sidhe that one day they would regain heaven and be restored to their ancient place amongst the angels. But the saint answered that hope there was none; their doom was fixed, and at the judgment-day they would pass through death into annihilation; for so had it been decreed by the justice of God.
On hearing this the fairy chief fell into a profound melancholy, and he and all his court sailed away from Ireland, and went back to their native country of Armenia, there to await the coming of the terrible judgment-day, which is fated to bring the fairy race certain death on earth, without any hope of regaining heaven.
The West of Ireland is peculiarly sacred to ancient superstitions of the Sidhe race. There is a poetry in the scenery that touches the heart of the people; they love the beautiful glens, the mountains rising like towers from the sea, the islands sanctified by the memory of a saint, and the green hills where Finvarra holds his court. Every lake and mountain has its legend of the spirit-land, some holy traditions of a saint, or some historic memory of a national hero who flourished in the old great days when Ireland had native chiefs and native swords to guard her; and amongst the Western Irish, especially, the old superstitions of their forefathers are reverenced with a solemn faith and fervour that is almost a religion. Finvarra the king is still believed to rule over all the fairies of the west, and Onagh is the fairy queen. Her golden hair sweeps the ground, and she is robed in silver gossamer all glittering as if with diamonds, but they are dew-drops that sparkle over it.
The queen is more beautiful than any woman of earth, yet Finvarra loves the mortal women best, and wiles them down to his fairy palace by the subtle charm of the fairy music, for no one who has heard it can resist its power, and they are fated to belong to the fairies ever after. Their friends mourn for them as dead with much lamentation, but in reality they are leading a joyous life down in the heart of the bill, in the fairy palace with the silver columns and the crystal walls.
Yet sometimes they are not drawn down beneath the earth, but remain as usual in the daily life, though the fairy spell is still on them; and the young men who have once heard the fairy harp become possessed by the spirit of music which haunts them to their death, and gives them strange power over the souls of men. This was the case with Carolan, the celebrated bard. He acquired all the magic melody of his notes by sleeping out on a fairy rath at night, when the fairy music came to him in his dreams; and on awaking he played the airs from memory. This it was that he had power to madden men to mirth, or to set them weeping as if for the dead, and no one ever before or since played the enchanting fairy music like Carolan, the sweet musician of Ireland.
There was another man also who heard the fairy music when sleeping on a rath, and ever after he was haunted by the melody day and night, till he grew mad and had no pleasure in life, for he longed to be with the fairies again that he might hear them sing. So one day, driven to despair by the madness of longing, he threw himself from the cliff into the mountain lake near the fairy rath, and so died and was seen no more.
In the Western Islands they believe that the magic of fairy-music is so strong that whoever hears it cannot choose but follow the sound, and the young girls are drawn away by the enchantment, and dance all night with Finvarra the king, though in the morning they are found fast asleep in bed, yet with a memory of all they had heard and seen; and some say that, while with the fairies, the young women learn strange secrets of love potions, by which they can work spells and dangerous charms over those whose love they desire, or upon any one who has offended and spoken ill of them.
It is a beautiful idea that the Irish airs, so plaintive, mournful, and tear-compelling, are but the remembered echoes of that spirit music which had power to draw souls away to the fairy mansions, and hold them captive by the sweet magic of the melody.

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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2003 12:00 am

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Myssfitz wrote:

I know...which is why I posted :

Quote:

What I was more interested in are what Iris referred to as Watchers, which one possible "identification" tells us are Fallen Angels or Nephilim (different also from Fairies as Fallen Angels/Sidhe, the Nephilim are indeed described as "The Watchers")

We're looking at two different angles. The Nephilim are different from what you describe. They may have nothing whatsoever to do with CTW, but what I am researching is the term Iris used "Watchers"...which is another term for the Nephilim. They actually found mortal women quite attractive and mated with them to beget a race of giants.

~cem Very Happy

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2003 12:25 am

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cemgate2002 wrote:

Myssfitz wrote:

I know...which is why I posted :

Quote:

OK, gotcha Very Happy

But, if I remember correctly, the Nephilim are Fallen Angels. So, I was thinking about the wrong Fallen Angels. And also, in some stories, the Nephilim were actually created by the Fallen Angels who had sex with humans. The Nephilim are giants and some giant races had 6 fingers (i.e. David and Goliath). So could that mean the race of giants with 6 fingers are our guides, who are our watchers? (But since there seem to be so many ideas out there on the net for Fallen Angels, who knows? I'm more confused than ever- Don't say anything, anyone Laughing

).
Found this. It's long. But I think it will help you. And this time, I mean it. Very Happy

(the italicized portions of the text I did. It's the religious verses).

Quote:

Watchers/Nephilim (Naphidim)

"When men began to increase on earth and daughters were born to them, the divine beings saw how beautiful the daughters of men were and took wives from among those that pleased them. The LORD said, 'My breath shall not abide in man forever, since he too is flesh; let the days allowed him be one hundred and twenty years.' It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared on earth - when the divine beings cohabited with the daughters of men, who bore them offspring. They were the heroes of old, the men of renown." - Genesis 6:1-4

This is the only account of the watchers in the Bible. Isaiah 14:12-15 talks of the fall of the "day-star, son of morning," which implies that there was a revolt, and the "day-star" was cast into the abyss, but this may be a reference to early Canaanite or Phoenician myths. (see Lucifer) One other possible reference is Psalm 82.

"God standeth in the Congregation of God (El) In the midst of gods (elohim) He judgeth All the foundations of the earth are moved. I said: Ye are gods, And all of you sons of the Most High (Elyon) Nevertheles ye shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes (sarim) Psalm 82:1, 5-7

The parts of the Psalm I have left out are the parts that refer to wicked earthly rulers, but it is agreed upon by many scholars that this part of the Psalm refers to the fallen angels. While Genesis 6 tells that angels married women, it does not condemn this as a sin. Psalm 82 tells that the elohim sinned, but does not tell how (i.e. it does not mention that they married women). It may have been that the angels sinned by reproducing. Certain passages in Jewish Midrash talk of how angels are immortal and do not need to reproduce. Because humans are not, they must reproduce in order to achieve immortality in their descendents.

This is a passage from Jewish midrash in which Hannah is praying for a child at Shiloh:

"Lord of the Universe! The celestials never die, and they do not reproduce their kind. Terrestrial beings die, but they are fruitful and multiply. Therefore I pray: Either make me immortal, or give me a son!"

A different interpretation of this passage concerning the sin of the angels was that they revolted against God, and because of this, they were cast down. Apocrypal texts give more complete accounts of the fall of the angels.

1 Enoch gives an account of the fall of the Angels from heaven. Chapter 6 talks of how the angels saw and lusted after the daughters of men.

"In those days, when the children of man had multiplied, it happened that there were born unto them handsome and beautiful daughters. And the angels, the children of heaven , saw them and desired them; and they said to one another, 'Come, let us choose wives for ourselves from among the daughters of man and beget us children.' And Semyaz, being their leader, said unto them,'I fear that perhaps you will not consent that this deed should be done, and I alone will become (responsible) for this great sin.' But they all responded to him, 'Let us all swear an oath and bind everyone among us by a curse not to abandon this suggestion but to do the deed.' Then they all swore together and bound one another by (the curse) And they were altogether two hundred;" - 1 Enoch 6:1-7

The angels descended on Mount Hermon during the days of Jared. There were 19 leaders mentioned in 1 Enoch, who were also called 'the chiefs of ten.' Once they reached the earth:

"they took wives unto themselves, and everyone (respectively) chose one woman for himself, and they began to go unto them. And they taught them magical medicine, incantations, the cutting of roots, and taught them (about) plants. And the women became pregnant and gave birth to great giants whose heights were three hundred cubits. These (giants) consumed the produce of all the people until the people detested feeding them. So the giants turned against (the people) in order to eat them." - 1 Enoch 7:1-5

The Angels then taught women charms, enchantments, the cutting of roots, and the knowledge of plants. They taught men how to make various weapons and armor, and also arts and sciences. These acts led to an increase in lawlessness and warfare. The men of earth then cried out to heaven, and the 4 archangels (Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel) cried out to God. In response, God sent Uriel to warn Noah that there would soon be a flood that would destroy the wickedness on earth.

Raphael was commanded to bind Azazel hand and foot, and to cast him into the a hole in the desert (Duda'el) that the Lord had made. Raphael threw rugged and sharp rocks and covered Azazel's face so that he would not see light. Michael was commanded to bound Semyaza and his associates in the valleys of the earth. They will remain there until the day of judgment when he will be cast into the fire.

The race of giants (I didn't even know that was in here when I posted my note above) produced from this union gave way to a brood of evil spirits. The evil spirits most likely are the departed spirits of the giants, themselves. These spirits are not material or corporeal beings, but they torment mankind because they have proceeded from them. According to 1 Enoch, these spirits will not be punished until the day of judgment, in contrast to the Watchers, who are punished both before and on the day of judgment.

"But now the giants who are born from the (union of) the spirits and the flesh shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, because their dwelling shall be upon the earth and inside the earth. Evil spirits have come out of their bodies. Because from the day that they were created from the holy ones they became the Watchers; their first origin is the spiritual foundation. They will become evil upon the earth and shall be called evil spirits. The dwelling of the spiritual beings of heaven is heaven; but the dwelling of the spirits of the earth, which are born upon the earth, is in the earth. The spirits of the giants oppress each other, they will corrupt, fall, be excited, and fall upon the earth, and cause sorrow. They eat no food, nor become thirsty, nor find obstacles. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of the people and against the women, because they have proceeded forth (from them). - 1 Enoch 15

1 Enoch 19 also gives a variation to the origin of demons. It implies that demons were already in existence during the time of the fall of the angels. According to 1 Enoch 10-16, the demons are the spirits which go forth from these angels.

"Here shall stand in many different appearances the spirits of the angels which have united themselves with women. They have defiled the people and will lead them into error so that they will offer sacrifices to the demons as unto gods, until the great day of judgment in which they shall be judged till they are finished." - 1 Enoch 19:1

1 Enoch 85-90 gives a similar account of the fall of the angels. In these passages, a star (either Semjaza or Azazel) fell from heaven and began to pasture among the oxen (mankind). A number of stars then fell and were transformed into bulls. They began to cover the cows (the angels married mortal women), who then gave birth to elephants, camels, and asses (the giants). The oxen then became restless and began to fight, but they became prey to the wild beasts. The archangels then appear in the disguise of men. One seizes the first of the fallen stars and casts it into the abyss. A second gives the elephants, camels, and asses a sword so that they will slay each other. A third archangel stones the other fallen stars and casts them into the gulf. The story then goes on to describe the Maccabean revolt, which leads to a description of the final struggle between good and evil.

It seems that there is a threefold aspect to the sin of the Watchers in these accounts. First, it was a defilement of the essence of the angels to marry and engage in sexual acts with human women. Second, these unions between the angels and mortal women were considered evil, themselves. Because of the Nephilim and and evil created by these unions, God caused the great Flood of Noah's time. Finally, the angels sinned because they taught humanity and revealing the secrets of the natural universe which God did not intend for man to know.

The Book of Jubilees gives another account of how the Watchers fell that is similar to 1 Enoch. It explains that the Watchers originally descended to the earth to teach mankind and do what is just, but they 'sinned with the daughters of men because these had begun to mix with earthly women so that they became defiled.' (Jubilees 4:22)

Malalael "named [his son] Jared because during his lifetime the angels of the Lord who were called Watchers descended to earth to teach mankind and to do what is just and upright upon the earth" - Jubilees 4:15
Jubilees also says that they were sent by God, Himself.

"Against his angels whom he had sent to the earth he was angry enough to uproot them from all their (positions of) authority" - Jubilees 5:6

Jubilees tells an account of the fall of the angels similar to that of 1 Enoch. God was displeased with the angels because of their lust for the daughters of men. The union of the angels and women is said to be the Nephilim.

"For it was on account of these three things [fornication, uncleanness, and injustice - see Jubilees 7:20] that the flood was on the earth, since (it was) due to fornication that the Watchers had illicit intercourse - apart from the mandate of their authority - with women. When they married of them whomever they chose they committed the first (acts) of uncleanness. They fathered (as their) sons the Nephilim. - Jubilees 7:21-22

In Jubilees, Mastema is the chief of the spirits. As God commanded the angels to bind all the evil spirits, Mastema came and asked the Lord that some of the spirits might be allowed to remain with him to do his will. God granted his request and allowed one tenth of the spirits to remain with Mastema, while the other nine parts would be condemned.

"When Mastema, the leader of the spirits, came, he said: 'Lord creator, leave some of them before me; let them listen to me and do everything that I tell them, because if none of them is left for me I shall not be able to exercise the authority of my will aong mankind. For they are meant for (the purposes of) destroying and misleading before my punishment because the evil of mankind is great.' Then he said that a tenth of them should be left before him, while he would make nine parts descend to the place of judgment." - Jubilees 10:8-9

2 Enoch also mentions a group of angels called the Grigori, who are similar to the Watchers. Their prince is called Satanail. A difference in this account as compared with the two previous accounts is that only 3 angels came down to earth to take wives and beget giants.

"These are the Grigori, who with their prince Satanail rejected the Lord of light, and after them are those who are held in great darkness on the second heaven, and three of them went down on earth to the place Ermon, and broke through their vows on the shoulder of the hill Ermon and saw the daughters of men how good they are, and took to themselves wives, and befouled the earth with their deeds, who in all times of their age made lawlessness and mixing, and giants are born and marvellous big men and great enmity. And therefore God judged them with great judgment, and they weep for their brethren and they will be punished on the Lord's great day." - 2 Enoch 18:3-4

In the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, the fall of the angels is mentioned twice. One is only a brief reference stating that the Watchers "changed the order of their nature." (Naphtali 3:5) The second is in Reuben, where he accuses womankind of seeking to ensnare men.

"Thus they allured the Watchers before the Flood, for as these continually beheld them, they lusted after them and conceived the act in their mind; for they changed themselves unto the shape of men and appeared to them when they were with their husbands; and the women, lusting in their minds after their forms, gave birth to giants, for the Watchers appeared to them as reaching up to heaven." (Reuben 5)

In this account, the writer denies that there was a physical union between the angels and mortal women. He says that the real fathers of the giants were humans, but the giants were conceived from the mutal passion from angels and women.

Names and Misdeeds of the Fallen Angels (aka the Five Satans) in 1 Enoch 69:4-12. (1 Enoch gives other lists of the names of the fallen angels as well.) This passage is odd because it mentions angels that are not mentioned elsewhere.

Yeqon - "one who misled all the children of the angels, brought them down upon the earth, and perverted them by the daughters of the people"
Asb'el - "one who gave the children of the holy angels an evil counsel and misled them so that they would defile their bodies by the daughters of the people"
Gader'el - "he who showed the children of the people all the blows of death, who misled Eve, who showed the children of the people (how to make) the instruments of death (such as) the shield, the breastplate, and the sword for warfare, and all (the other) instruments of death to the children of the people"
Pinem'e - "demonstrated to the children of the people the bitter and the sweet and revealed to them all the secrets of their wisdom. Furthermore he caused the people to penetrate (the secret of) writing and (the use of) ink and paper"
Kasadya - "he who revealed to the children of the people (the various) flagellations of all evil - (the flagellation) of the souls and the demons, the smashing of the embryo in the womb so that it may be curshed, the flagellation of the soul, snake bites, sunstrokes, the son of the serpent, whose name is Taba'ta"
Names of other fallen angels - Semyaz, Aristaqis, Armen, Kokba'el, Tur'el, Rumyal, Danyul, Neqa'el, Baraqel, Azaz'el, Armaros, Betryal, Basas'el, Hanan'el, Tur'el, Sipwese'el, Yeter'el, Tuma'el, Tur'el, Rum'el, and Azaz'el - 1 Enoch 69:2

Nephilim Blog Section - More essays on the nephilim.
Enoch at Qumran - Another essay I wrote on the Enochic fragments found at Qumran.

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Or this one:

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The Nephilim

The Nephilim are the giants recorded in the Bible. They are the children of the fallen angels or watchers that came to earth to be kings, emporers, priests, shamen, tuitongas, manitous, pharaohs, gods, and goddesses. They are the titans, pans, gods, goddesses, and fawns of Greek and Roman mythology. They are supplanters of God's divine plan for earth and mankind.

They have supernatural strength, psychic powers, and often times have six fingers and six toes. The king of Bashan, Og, had a sarcophagus that was 18 feet tall and 6 feet wide.

They are known to be shapeshifters and cannibals. They sacrifice humans, drink blood, levitate objects, astral travel, report the future, practice magical arts, and teach the art of war. They are the masters of astronomy and astrology. They taught mankind abortion so that they could keep certain women beautiful for sexual pleasure. They are the incubus and sucubbus. They are the magi of ancient Egypt and Babylon. They place and remove curses. They are the werewolves, vampires, bigfoots and la chupacabras. They are the hosts of heaven and they are the deities of demon worship. They use poison, gossip, backbiting, and intrigue to take power and overthrow the true sons of God.

They are master builders and built the ancient cities. They are the Atlanteans.

They are half fallen angel and half human being. They are the Gibborim, mighty men of renown like Hercules the Titan. They are the stock that the antichrist will come from. They are fully fallen hosts and fully man. They were here before the flood and AFTER.

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And you might want to check out this site. I am really going to bed now, so I don't have time to look thru it tonight. It might have what you're looking for. Hope something I wrote helps you Cem. Shocked

http://www.psyche.com/psyche/links/nephilim.html

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