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A Rough Idea for the Monster Shape and Size
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djspankypants
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A Rough Idea for the Monster Shape and Size

So i was looking at the hi res version of the poster and realized that we can get a pretty good idea of the shape of the monster. The red arrows show the points of impact in the building. It looks like it has wider legs (please don't flame me but kinda like Godzilla) and possibly something on its back. Maybe one of our fine artist on here can try to design something that fits into it? Also judging by the look of the ground it may have a very large bottom half and may slide on the ground or maybe shuffles its feet. Of course it could also just be the debris has fallen on the ground. I'd love to get y'alls feed back on this? Am i on to something or should i lay off the LSD?
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We have a few things to give us an idea how large the monster might be.
First off is the Statue of Liberty.
The Statue of Liberty is 305 feet, 1 inch tall.
It appears to easily be as tall as that, more likely MUCH taller.
The lines you see on most of the buildings represent floors. floors are basically the same height on any given building, so we should be able to calculate a fairly decent approximation of it's total height from the evidence at hand. That also allows us a decent reference for the size of it's 'hands' and/or claws.
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also that box shows what i believe is to be a tail... maybe i am wrong, it is more noticeable when you look at the larger pic.

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There's also the volume of the roars in the trailer. Presumably, with each roar the monster is getting closer to Manhattan. But, the first one is just as thunderous as the others. So, the thing must be pretty huge (or, it just has amazing lung power). Actually, is that an issue? I don't know how whales make the noises they make, but would our monster need lungs to bellow like that out of water?

Also, I know this has been mentioned over and over, but I've always assumed that the "earthquakes" reported on the news were actually impact tremors from the thing taking steps. I bring this up only because it's another indicator of the monster's size (assuming they really are impact tremors of some sort). Also, after Jurassic Park and that now iconic moment w/the cup of water on the dashboard, audiences expect impact tremors from really big things. And, w/out knowing a monster is approaching, people in NYC would naturally report these as small earthquakes.

Finally, I think the thing does have a tail, because of the smoke in the hole between the ruined buildings. The shape of that 'wake' of smoke seems to fit with a tail.

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Melampus wrote:
There's also the volume of the roars in the trailer. Presumably, with each roar the monster is getting closer to Manhattan. But, the first one is just as thunderous as the others. So, the thing must be pretty huge (or, it just has amazing lung power). Actually, is that an issue? I don't know how whales make the noises they make, but would our monster need lungs to bellow like that out of water?


Very good point, it would take rather large lungs to generate a roar like that. Fairly large breathing system too, like trachea and/or nasal passages. To be heard above water yes, you do need lungs. Sound heard in the atmosphere is pressure waves in the air. Whales generate sound by moving air within passages in their heads, basically sinuses. Being that they are under water, their sounds are vibrated out of their bodies and transmitted as pressure waves in water. Water is much better at transmitting sound, so it takes a lot less effort to generate a sound that will travel a long way. The method is the same in either medium, but one does not translate properly to the other.
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djspankypants wrote:
also that box shows what i believe is to be a tail... maybe i am wrong, it is more noticeable when you look at the larger pic.


That's not a tail. What you are seeing is a row of trees along the shore line.

It's hard to tell even with a very hi-res online picture, but you can clearly see it the actual poster.

I'll try to scan this in tonight...

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looks like it has wider legs..... it may have a very large bottom half and may slide on the ground or maybe shuffles its feet


i think the monster may in fact have adult onset diabetes due to obesity and the roar you hear is him giving himself insulin shots.....actually the whole new york thing is grossly misunderstood as he was not destroying it but rather taking a leisurely swim/walk in an attempt to get some exercise

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The tremor theory has weight (no pun intended). If something as big as that is moving along the tectonic plates of the earth, be it over or under, it could theoretically result in a bit of a shake. Same as if something slightly shifted the plates.

There is the obvious tsunami questions raised by this though. I don't know how scientifically correct they are going to be in regards to a movie about either a giant thing or a giant group of things smashing into New York.

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u know whats gonna be funny when we watch the movie and it ends up being nothing like any of our theories about teddy or this or anything... lol that does not mean i think this whole thing is pointless cuz i love this whole forum... just a funny thought Smile

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Actually, that would be funny. It's aliens, an army of them - little green men. The roar was just their battle horn (like in the Spielberg remake of War of the Worlds).

The point about a tsunami, or at least big waves, is a good one. Then again, we've only seen the events near the party (in the trailer) - so, anything could be happening down by the SOL.

EDIT: So, here's the new game: what plot can you think of that would be consistent w/what we know so far, but also includes NONE of the elements most people have been expecting and speculating about? What would the movie be like/about if we're all completely wrong... about nearly everything? Wink

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Melampus wrote:
Actually, that would be funny. It's aliens, an army of them - little green men. The roar was just their battle horn (like in the Spielberg remake of War of the Worlds).

The point about a tsunami, or at least big waves, is a good one. Then again, we've only seen the events near the party (in the trailer) - so, anything could be happening down by the SOL.

EDIT: So, here's the new game: what plot can you think of that would be consistent w/what we know so far, but also includes NONE of the elements most people have been expecting and speculating about? What would the movie be like/about if we're all completely wrong... about nearly everything? Wink


Musical/comedy

OH MY GOD oh my god OH MY GOD oh my god
IT'S ALIVE it's alive IT'S ALIVE it's alive
OH MY GOD oh my god OH MY GOD oh my god
IT'S ALIVE it's alive IT'S ALIVE it's alive
and it's HUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGEEEEEE!!

Mark the time down as when the walrus officially lost his f@#%&ing mind! Smile

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Melampus wrote:
So, here's the new game: what plot can you think of that would be consistent w/what we know so far, but also includes NONE of the elements most people have been expecting and speculating about? What would the movie be like/about if we're all completely wrong... about nearly everything? Wink


I say a sequel to Dancer In the Dark, that's probably close to the farthest away from any of our speculating.


JFTeran wrote:
u know whats gonna be funny when we watch the movie and it ends up being nothing like any of our theories about teddy or this or anything... lol that does not mean i think this whole thing is pointless cuz i love this whole forum... just a funny thought


In all honesty I think with the unbelievably intelligent minds in here and the massive amount of research they do......... we may need to dumb ourselves down to figure out how this Hollywood movie will turn out. I personally don't think Lost is all that amazing of a show so I don't have heaps of faith in JJ making a scientifically accurate monster movie. However analyzing this picture may be a good idea. JJ didn't create this poster, no way is he talented at that many things. Whoever was in charge of the artistry part of the promotion I'm sure wanted to see at least a rough picture of what the monster looked like. It would be embarrassing to make claw marks at the top of a building in the teaser poster just to find out that the monster is 20 feet tall. So in my opinion we are looking at an artistic representation of the destruction this thing would do by an artist who did indeed get to see the monster.


So far what I take from it is it must have a tail to explain some of the damage to the lower parts of the buildings. Firstly this monster just can't be wider than a city street, building to building. Crushing through the sides of the buildings trying to move forward would slow her down to a halt. Granted proportionatly it might be strong enough to do so, but it would most certainly drop its speed. Secondly the only other explaination to the damage on both sides other than the tail or all out width of the monster would be that perhaps it was swaying or staggering when it walked. Perhaps due to being on land for the first time or at least the first time in a really long time. Again, though, I think this would be looking way too deep into this. The artist was probably shown a mock-up of the monster, not given its life story.

I think to me that is what I'd like as at least a rough maximum width of the monster. As far as height, for the sake of balance the taller this thing is the wider it would have to be. Granted things like the foot size and the addition of a tail would help to balance a very tall creature but more importantly the aesthetics of height with relation to width would have to be considered. Even if this thing ends up being the water bear extremophile some artistic license would be taken to make sure this monster looked "bad ass" so to speak. So a monster that is extremely tall with a relatively narrow width would look awkward. Sure scientifically it might all be possible especially if this thing is not native to dry land but its aesthetics are probably more important than its scientific relevancy.

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Here is the super-sized scan of the poster.



You can see the trees better here.

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Finch wrote:
I say a sequel to Dancer In the Dark, that's probably close to the farthest away from any of our speculating.


actually brettoniasam gets close to dancer in the dark with his indie art film theory.

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CloverfieldClues.com wrote:
Here is the super-sized scan of the poster.



You can see the trees better here.


could u upload the full scan for me? maybe rapidshare or so? I would like to print it n put some up.

thanks

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